Warframe vs. a WH40k Space Marine

[Def]

Who would win?

[Monarch]

Warframe hands down? Obviously.
Yea sure WH40K got pew pews, LOTS of pew pews.

Warframe, we have Nyx that can cast chaos amongst all enemies in range.
We have Gara, Frost etc that can create freeze and provide defense.
We have Limbo who can stop all the pew pews on the spot.
We have Loki, Nova who can relocate enemies (IE. Drop them on each other, or into the void)
We have plenty of Warframes that can straight up strip armor, and replenish WF's shields all in one breath.

If it's 1v1, then maybe it'd up to which Warframe fighting which character in 40K
But if it's just faction vs faction alone, 40K can bring in Dreadnoughts, and Warframes will still win.

[Guts]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bird O' Omens.:

the eternalism thing explaining how we always have tenno to ally with.

You both understand and don't understand how eternalism works in the same breath. The tenno are timeless. They can exist beside themselves. There is no limit to the number of tenno. Because of how they interact with the void, active warframes are technically infinite in number. They explained eternalism in the classroom in "The New War". Every action creates a new reality for those who have access to the void.

[C.D.J. Grazza]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย N473:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bird O' Omens.:

the eternalism thing explaining how we always have tenno to ally with.

You both understand and don't understand how eternalism works in the same breath. The tenno are timeless. They can exist beside themselves. There is no limit to the number of tenno. Because of how they interact with the void, active warframes are technically infinite in number. They explained eternalism in the classroom in "The New War". Every action creates a new reality for those who have access to the void.

This. "Tenno are timeless" Beyond time yet in time. Operators fully human in nature, yet immortal at the same time. Yes it's full of paradox, but in a battle, the Tenno have no equals from the WH40K Space marines.

But yea, thank you I think you put it best. "The New War hinted at it in the class room", and it was just scratching the surface, which was cool, imho.

It's not a fair fight. Tenno and the universe they are in, would not be affected by the physics of the WH40K universe, and probably could just 'swallow the space marines nukes, and use it's energy' but this is just my 'for fun' opinion, and I hardly know all the lore.

I'm also clearly biased because ya know..."immortal space ninjas" XD - albeit they can get knocked out but they get back up again, along with the operators.

[Drago]

We had a bunch of discussions about such comparisons in the past; with W40K the debate often become a question of scale and tech. Roughly, each warframe itself equates to something akin to an Eldar elite while the Tenno themselves is more akin to a Psyker and W40K Space Marines are huge super mutants cyborgs in the equivalent of Tank armor with in-universe to dodge the equivalent of real world bullets in flight and eat folk's brains to gain their memory on top of being able to humans in half outside of their armor. They both have good advantages on a one to one perspective that could be argued to give edges in a Deadliest Warrior type stand-off; but Warframe lacks the scale of logistics, manpower, and disregard for sentient life in W40K.

As bleak as some aspects of Warframe can be presented at times, it comes back to its origins in anime and manga based on teen empowerment and fighting against the system. W40K originally started as a broad reference and satire of The System as presented by Sci-Fi; countless worlds, extra-worldly and inter-solar system invaders, ancient super cultures, and humans often presenting themselves both as among the biggest victims and oppressors in a world of constant grim-darkness. Back then W40k was mostly played over the top for laughs, its references to Dune, Star Wars, and Starship Troopers a thing pointed out by the staff with a wink and a smile; but that isn't the same setting these days.

A singular Space Marine is the result of dedicated and focused torture, conditioning, barely mixes of ritual and science as well as engineering to make super soldiers able to take on vastly numerically superior forces and win. In this Tenno don't really have the same investment - Tenno players are all from one problematic colony ship that got lost in Warframe's equivalent to the W40k "The Warp" (Think Event Horizon's hell gate like travel). These kids were then trained in remoting the titular warframes after some therapy issues manifested during Ballas' attempt to have Margulis rehabilitate the Tenno for potential weapon purposes. Each warframe is an investment, but one easily possible to the lay Tenno or Corpus Space Merchant Baron with enough Platinum or harvesting and archaeological inclinations (which may be reaching both forward and backward in time akin to "The Warp" again, a common issue there). Tenno themselves are irreplaceable for the most part, but they are often not at risk in standard usage. So this becomes a question more of cost and availability.

Largely, in-universe most factions don't even know the Tenno aren't the warframes, or at least using the warframes as exo-suits so for the lay comparison it would be warframe to space marine power armor marks which can be apples to oranges but sometimes give a more direct comparison; say comparing individual standard lethality; movement speeds; and durability but that would take a far more referenced study

To summarize, in gaming grim-dark W40K tends to win-out based on scale; but its not the biggest Sci-Fi setting. Just as W40K dwarfs Warframe in size, think about Traveler and its sectors, quadrants, and the like. Warframe is only within the Sol System and much of its background revolves around the rich elite dominating, exploiting, and seeking to spread from our home system to others like Tau Ceti (A common sci-fi destination ala Marathon for instance, which has some slightly anime influenced aliens in mech suits living there in W40k); W40K is to the edges of the Milky Way Galaxy with some alien threats explicitly coming from outside (potentially fleeing something perhaps worse); and Traveler has the Milky Way and our Sol System in tiny corner of its star chart mostly known for a type of human culture calling it home (all of them came from there at one point or another but that is its own story). Scale and Logistics mean a lot in setting versus setting situations and I don't think we have the variables for a fair comparison.

[Bird O' Omens.]

I don't know, you all really seem to be playing up the power of a Warframe. When in universe and in game a toxic proc at a bad time can end one easily. Warframes are strong but their just now going against Eldritch ♥♥♥♥.

The empire fought a race they couldn't go near since they instantly aged you to dust. Or beings who shroud an entire system in a cloud of psychic energy that drives anyone with psychic inclination insane or just kills them out right. The those things eat planets down to their precious metals and atmosphere.

I don't want to downplay the tenno. But they haven't really gone against a threat equal to a threat the empire has gone against. The tenno protect one solar system and are localized to it.

I don't know if you all comprehend the scale of numbers they'd have to contend with. Warframe has fortuna, Warhammer has hive worlds in mass full of trillions all grinding away for the war effort. For every billion you kill, there are near infinite amount of bodies to throw at the problem. The tenno might fight off ten worlds, or hundred but eventually the Marines either run out of bodies which means there's nothing left to win anymore or the tenno fall to the tide.

They're a very all or nothing threat, the tenno fight for freedom, all that good stuff. The Marines have tens of thousands of years of dogma, and conquest to fall back on. Marines are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ freaks, who will throw away everything to make sure that other side just can't win. Hell the krieg could be a problem and they aren't even augmented. Their just really, really good at war and have no sense of self preservation.

Just saying, even in steel path, one ♥♥♥♥ up can kill a Warframe temporarily. Take off the ten years of bias.

[Midas]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bird O' Omens.:

I don't know, you all really seem to be playing up the power of a Warframe. When in universe and in game a toxic proc at a bad time can end one easily. Warframes are strong but their just now going against Eldritch ♥♥♥♥.

The empire fought a race they couldn't go near since they instantly aged you to dust. Or beings who shroud an entire system in a cloud of psychic energy that drives anyone with psychic inclination insane or just kills them out right. The those things eat planets down to their precious metals and atmosphere.

I don't want to downplay the tenno. But they haven't really gone against a threat equal to a threat the empire has gone against. The tenno protect one solar system and are localized to it.

I don't know if you all comprehend the scale of numbers they'd have to contend with. Warframe has fortuna, Warhammer has hive worlds in mass full of trillions all grinding away for the war effort. For every billion you kill, there are near infinite amount of bodies to throw at the problem. The tenno might fight off ten worlds, or hundred but eventually the Marines either run out of bodies which means there's nothing left to win anymore or the tenno fall to the tide.

They're a very all or nothing threat, the tenno fight for freedom, all that good stuff. The Marines have tens of thousands of years of dogma, and conquest to fall back on. Marines are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ freaks, who will throw away everything to make sure that other side just can't win. Hell the krieg could be a problem and they aren't even augmented. Their just really, really good at war and have no sense of self preservation.

Just saying, even in steel path, one ♥♥♥♥ up can kill a Warframe temporarily. Take off the ten years of bias.

You never fight ordinary people in warframe, so if you're going to talk about what can kill a warframe, you have to contextualize that with the fact that grineer are already engineered super-humans built to be tough and strong, corpus have super advanced tech, etc. A tenno can still cut through whole swathes of them in seconds.

[Fake]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Midas:

You never fight ordinary people in warframe, so if you're going to talk about what can kill a warframe, you have to contextualize that with the fact that grineer are already engineered super-humans built to be tough and strong, corpus have super advanced tech, etc. A tenno can still cut through whole swathes of them in seconds.

"The Grineers were builders" - Operator

It doesn't sound like super soldiers. As for cutting down swathes of enemies, the Grineers, Corpus and Infested still are running around in the Sol system.

Again, people are saying that Warframes are these ultra powerful machines but it doesn't show.

Heck, go watch the New War cinematic trailer. You can clearly see Nova getting destroyed.

[Midas]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fake:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Midas:

You never fight ordinary people in warframe, so if you're going to talk about what can kill a warframe, you have to contextualize that with the fact that grineer are already engineered super-humans built to be tough and strong, corpus have super advanced tech, etc. A tenno can still cut through whole swathes of them in seconds.

"The Grineers were builders" - Operator

It doesn't sound like super soldiers. As for cutting down swathes of enemies, the Grineers, Corpus and Infested still are running around in the Sol system.

Again, people are saying that Warframes are these ultra powerful machines but it doesn't show.

Heck, go watch the New War cinematic trailer. You can clearly see Nova getting destroyed.

Didn't say super-soldier, I said super-human. They are far tougher and stronger than normal humans, carrying literal tons of armor and running around in it.

Not sure what infested/grineer/corpus still existing has to do with anything I said, though. Doesn't change the fact that they can kill hundreds of them in mere minutes.

[Bird O' Omens.]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Midas:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bird O' Omens.:

I don't know, you all really seem to be playing up the power of a Warframe. When in universe and in game a toxic proc at a bad time can end one easily. Warframes are strong but their just now going against Eldritch ♥♥♥♥.

The empire fought a race they couldn't go near since they instantly aged you to dust. Or beings who shroud an entire system in a cloud of psychic energy that drives anyone with psychic inclination insane or just kills them out right. The those things eat planets down to their precious metals and atmosphere.

I don't want to downplay the tenno. But they haven't really gone against a threat equal to a threat the empire has gone against. The tenno protect one solar system and are localized to it.

I don't know if you all comprehend the scale of numbers they'd have to contend with. Warframe has fortuna, Warhammer has hive worlds in mass full of trillions all grinding away for the war effort. For every billion you kill, there are near infinite amount of bodies to throw at the problem. The tenno might fight off ten worlds, or hundred but eventually the Marines either run out of bodies which means there's nothing left to win anymore or the tenno fall to the tide.

They're a very all or nothing threat, the tenno fight for freedom, all that good stuff. The Marines have tens of thousands of years of dogma, and conquest to fall back on. Marines are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ freaks, who will throw away everything to make sure that other side just can't win. Hell the krieg could be a problem and they aren't even augmented. Their just really, really good at war and have no sense of self preservation.

Just saying, even in steel path, one ♥♥♥♥ up can kill a Warframe temporarily. Take off the ten years of bias.

You never fight ordinary people in warframe, so if you're going to talk about what can kill a warframe, you have to contextualize that with the fact that grineer are already engineered super-humans built to be tough and strong, corpus have super advanced tech, etc. A tenno can still cut through whole swathes of them in seconds.

The grindeer aren't super soldiers ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. They're a slave race, of clones, of clones that rebelled when one of them was born different and learned about kuva. They weren't super soldiers, they were fodder at best. Even their best scientist can't fix their genetic instability. The grindeer are closest to krieg in firepower, using mostly traditional firepower. The only exceptions are liches and kuva soldiers.

And the corpus are just an offshoot of orokin that took advantage of their fall. They aren't anywhere near as powerful or hold anywhere near the same influence. The best the corpus can do is take existing concepts and merge them with their own tech. The threats in Warframe kind of aren't that big of a deal. The infested and the murmur are the biggest threats and even then. They won't age you to dust, turn you into a society ended threat just by hoping for something better.

The man in the wall is our main threat right now. In Warhammer, stuff like that just shows up regularly and wipes out civilizations. Hell the gods of Warhammer can horribly alter you if they do much as notice you. The mad in the wall is making funny little stones with arms, and possessing mechs. In Warhammer that's just a regular occurrence. I love Warframe to death, been playing since closed beta. The threats in Warframe can't contend with the just, sheer brutality and horror of 40k. You want to read something awful, go look up how the dark mechanicus have been making space Marines. Its not a pleasant experience to be a normal marine, the ones the dark mechanicus made are born without skin, so they have to get the skin somewhere.

[Midas]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bird O' Omens.:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Midas:

You never fight ordinary people in warframe, so if you're going to talk about what can kill a warframe, you have to contextualize that with the fact that grineer are already engineered super-humans built to be tough and strong, corpus have super advanced tech, etc. A tenno can still cut through whole swathes of them in seconds.

The grindeer aren't super soldiers ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Not sure how you both managed to screw that up.

[Bird O' Omens.]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Midas:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fake:

"The Grineers were builders" - Operator

It doesn't sound like super soldiers. As for cutting down swathes of enemies, the Grineers, Corpus and Infested still are running around in the Sol system.

Again, people are saying that Warframes are these ultra powerful machines but it doesn't show.

Heck, go watch the New War cinematic trailer. You can clearly see Nova getting destroyed.

Didn't say super-soldier, I said super-human. They are far tougher and stronger than normal humans, carrying literal tons of armor and running around in it.

Not sure what infested/grineer/corpus still existing has to do with anything I said, though. Doesn't change the fact that they can kill hundreds of them in mere minutes.

Dude, in universe the armor they wear is made to look bulky to offer better protection and be fairly light compared to what it'd be if it were made of steel. they're decaying at all times and need augments to live past a few years. Most of their prominent leaders don't even have their original body anymore their so frail. The threat from the grindeer is kind of the same as the imperium actually. They don't in have the best guns or armor. But they can't ALWAYS make more, you'll never kill every grindeer and that's what makes them a problem.

[Bird O' Omens.]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Midas:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bird O' Omens.:

The grindeer aren't super soldiers ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Not sure how you both managed to screw that up.

Ok, can you explain instead of being a jack off about it?

[Midas]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bird O' Omens.:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Midas:

Didn't say super-soldier, I said super-human. They are far tougher and stronger than normal humans, carrying literal tons of armor and running around in it.

Not sure what infested/grineer/corpus still existing has to do with anything I said, though. Doesn't change the fact that they can kill hundreds of them in mere minutes.

Dude, in universe the armor they wear is made to look bulky to offer better protection be be fairly light compared to what it'd be if it were made of steel. they're decaying at all times and need augments to live past a few years. Most of their prominent leaders don't even have their original body anymore their so frail. The threat from the grindeer is kind of the same as the imperium actually. They don't in have the best guns or armor. But they can't ALWAYS make more, you'll never kill every grindeer and that's what makes them a problem.

You can see stuff like Kahl's damaged armor and see that their armor is just a solid hunk of metal all the way through.

[Bird O' Omens.]

And before you make another assumption, I used to do welding so I studied this junk for a while. I don't expect most folks to know about metal alloys vs non alloy metals, that'd be silly.

[Midas]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Bird O' Omens.:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Midas:

It's ferrite. Iron alloy. You seem to be pretty desperate and angry, when it's really not difficult to understand. Earth is still Earth, the the minerals haven't just ceased to exist, the properties of basic physical materials are basically the same as what we are familiar with. You want to ignore the facts in the game, I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish here.

Ferrite is an iron alloy, so listing them as different is a bit redundant. And yeah sure, if we go off the assumption that it's the same as an iron alloy in the real world. We can assume it's probably a carbon iron alloy. Commonly iron alloy, is lighter and more durable than when it's a nonalloy. Cars usually use aluminum and titanium alloys for their light weight, and durability they provide. The grindeer probably do the same, since they're always decaying and in tremendous pain.

But you already knew all that, didn't you Midas? Going off your own assumptions, it would be a lighter weight armor. That's assuming normal grindeer don't get basic enhancements to help compensate.

Come on man, calling folks angry for disagreeing has never been a good look. You don't need to self report like that, it's cool. Were just talking about fiction no harm done.

Yes, I already knew that. Even a lighter iron alloy is still going to be heavy when it's that thick.

And you're angry for lines like "that's how classifying metal works genius." And calling me ignorant for noticing more details than you and the general sarcastic tone despite providing no counter evidence of any kind. You're making far more assumptions than I am, but mine are actually coming from in-game information.