Okay So WTF Are The Warframes

[BLOOD ASYLUM]

I thought they were dead alien corpses that were controlled by tenno (Evolved Humans) before. Now I see people in the Warframes as if they are suits. WHAT ARE THEY?

[Kawalorn]

Messaggio originale di Paroe:

Tenno control warframes because the transferrence bolt allows one to transfer their mind into someone else and puppet them. It, canonically, is super effective for the tenno because the void power supercharges it and lets the tenno also feel their emotions.

My point is that Tenno were used to control the Warframes because they are the ONLY way to control them, as otherwise Warframes are uncontrollable wild monsters, but Tenno "take away their pain". Something that can only happen if all Warframes are made of humans. Or more specifically, each Warframe type is made of a specific human and then cloned endlessly with perfect replication of their memories, just like Umbra was.

[NocheLuz]

Some people said Umbra Warframe is human and it cannot be crafted in the Foundry. Meanwhile in the Sacrifice quest, we *somehow* made a new Umbra while he still contained all of the memories of when he was still human...

Some people might argue that we did have a piece of him when we made him. But wouldn't it also be possible if we also somehow have a blueprint that contains all of the said memories? I'm not sure why we lost the blueprint when we made the item but I think the blueprint also contains something other than just a *blueprint*.

[The Big Brzezinski]

Warframes used to be people, the Orokin's best and brightest. By infesting them with the helminth strain, this prowess was enhanced. Copies of the resulting beings were manufactured. These are what we call "warframes". They were the weapons the Orokin used to combat the Sentients in the Old War.

Arthur and Aoi have undergone some of this transformation, but still retain their humanity. Umbra did as well, despite his far more complete infestation, and the resulting memories he retained tortured him. Your Umbra is still a copy of the original made in your foundry, however. I'm not sure the Orokin perspective recognizes them as different beings.

[Dondu]

its like an ironman suit with a jarvis ai (thats why it moves on its own sometimes) also its made from techno-bio rather than a full metal material, its basically a body without a soul, now a tenno can transfer their consciousness to that empty body(warframe) enabling them to control the warframe from lightyears away. so even if they get killed, their consciousness will return its original body (tenno)

[Midas]

Messaggio originale di Psilo:

Messaggio originale di Kawalorn:

I don't know where you got that only Umbras are made of humans. All Warframes are made of humans. Ballas says during the Umbra quest that all Warframes have traumas the Tenno help them overcome.

100% untrue barring retcon, new prime and normal warframes arent made of humans, its been confirmed. why do you think you can just foundry craft them

Because your orbiter literally has organic capabilities built into its crafting. That's why the Helminth is there. All warframes are essentially organic constructs. Based on Umbra and questline lore like Titania, we can surmise that all warframes started as humans who became warframes (humans with the helminth strain specifically). The ones we build in our foundry are obviously not those exact same individuals, but the foundry clearly can construct organic matter so there's no reason even the non-prime 'copy' warframes aren't organic too.

[Psilo]

Messaggio originale di Midas:

Messaggio originale di Psilo:

100% untrue barring retcon, new prime and normal warframes arent made of humans, its been confirmed. why do you think you can just foundry craft them

Because your orbiter literally has organic capabilities built into its crafting. That's why the Helminth is there. All warframes are essentially organic constructs. Based on Umbra and questline lore like Titania, we can surmise that all warframes started as humans who became warframes (humans with the helminth strain specifically). The ones we build in our foundry are obviously not those exact same individuals, but the foundry clearly can construct organic matter so there's no reason even the non-prime 'copy' warframes aren't organic too.

Yeah that's what I mean. Cloned flesh =/= live humans.

[PhellAsleep]

Messaggio originale di Psilo:

Yeah that's what I mean. Cloned flesh =/= live humans.

That's debatable, given Umbra Excalibur. We literally scan his remains and regrow him. Yet he seems to retain his memories and is both angry and tortured by them, implying there may be some genetic memory mumbo jumbo involved with all warframes, or Umbra was intentionally designed to remember, regardless of how many times he was ripped apart and regrown.

It also hasn't been fully explored whether we grow/build warframes directly from scratch, or it's a multi-step process that involves growing a humanoid based to be augmented into one. Could even be that someone has to volunteer for the process of being augmented into one (least likely).

I think of how we obtain Kubrows and Kavats as a reference for the level of technology we're dealing with. We don't just pop them out of nothing. We have to collect an actual egg and then overwrite the original DNA of what's inside with what we're trying to grow.

The story of who we are in the game hasn't been fully explored yet and there's enough wiggle room still for things to turn very dark if the Devs wanted to take things down that path.

[Coffeefiend]

Messaggio originale di PhellAsleep:

That's debatable, given Umbra Excalibur. We literally scan his remains and regrow him. Yet he seems to retain his memories and is both angry and tortured by them, implying there may be some genetic memory mumbo jumbo involved with all warframes, or Umbra was intentionally designed to remember, regardless of how many times he was ripped apart and regrown.

It also hasn't been fully explored whether we grow/build warframes directly from scratch, or it's a multi-step process that involves growing a humanoid based to be augmented into one. Could even be that someone has to volunteer for the process of being augmented into one (least likely).

I think of how we obtain Kubrows and Kavats as a reference for the level of technology we're dealing with. We don't just pop them out of nothing. We have to collect an actual egg and then overwrite the original DNA of what's inside with what we're trying to grow.

The story of who we are in the game hasn't been fully explored yet and there's enough wiggle room still for things to turn very dark if the Devs wanted to take things down that path.

Umbra Excal is pretty much the prototype Excal, any other variant is the (premium) mass produced, streamlined end product. Which doesn't explode, has sentience or strangles you in murderous rage 99% of the time.
If it was intentional or a hitch...whatever works for you or DE storytelling, sounds pretty in line with the average orokin "no way that's gonna bite us in the ass later" science.

Wiki points at some lore pieces that say Helminth chair (or something similar) was used to infect (probably unwilling) individuals with some special strain of the technocyte virus. Since it probably involves a lot of trial and error to find the right dude who just happens to mutate in a useful way there's another hint at some pretty dark lore.
What we're doing in our Orbiter is probably just "printing biomass/tech hybrid thingy" since all the research and development has already been done.
The closest thing to mutating/manipulating things would, again, involve the helminth.

Kubrow is just putting an egg into an incubator. Kavats and any crossbreeding with imprints highly likely involves gene manipulation/editing, cloning and kind of the same thing Orokin did to humans if you create a helminth charger.

[Midas]

Messaggio originale di PhellAsleep:

Messaggio originale di Psilo:

Yeah that's what I mean. Cloned flesh =/= live humans.

That's debatable, given Umbra Excalibur. We literally scan his remains and regrow him. Yet he seems to retain his memories and is both angry and tortured by them, implying there may be some genetic memory mumbo jumbo involved with all warframes, or Umbra was intentionally designed to remember, regardless of how many times he was ripped apart and regrown.

It also hasn't been fully explored whether we grow/build warframes directly from scratch, or it's a multi-step process that involves growing a humanoid based to be augmented into one. Could even be that someone has to volunteer for the process of being augmented into one (least likely).

I think of how we obtain Kubrows and Kavats as a reference for the level of technology we're dealing with. We don't just pop them out of nothing. We have to collect an actual egg and then overwrite the original DNA of what's inside with what we're trying to grow.

The story of who we are in the game hasn't been fully explored yet and there's enough wiggle room still for things to turn very dark if the Devs wanted to take things down that path.

Presumably they all retain some of their memories or original capabilities, otherwise they wouldn't have any of their special abilities.

[Incunabulum]

Messaggio originale di BLOOD ASYLUM:

I thought they were dead alien corpses that were controlled by tenno (Evolved Humans) before. Now I see people in the Warframes as if they are suits. WHAT ARE THEY?

Remotely operated biomechanical constructs.

[Siphon2012]

Messaggio originale di Wandering Flare:

Far as I can tell from memory, they used to be sentient robots but after throwing a fit their creators turned them into non-sentient machines that were controlled by the Operators.

Play the Umbra Excalibur mission. You get to see how the warframes are created. The Orokin are sick people.

Little hint: You are called, "a demon." What can demons do to people?

[Paroe]

Messaggio originale di housersc:

Messaggio originale di Wandering Flare:

Far as I can tell from memory, they used to be sentient robots but after throwing a fit their creators turned them into non-sentient machines that were controlled by the Operators.

Play the Umbra Excalibur mission. You get to see how the warframes are created. The Orokin are sick people.

How ONE warframe was created.
Not all.
ONE.
Umbra was a dax who slighted ballas somehow, and was punished by being infected with the helminith strain (the stable version of the technocyte virus that **wasnt** part of the overall hive mind) and being fitted with a transferrence bolt while still conscious. He was then trapped in a room until he escaped - the room we find out all this lore from.
Also, people seem to be forgetting the only reason we can copy excal umbra 99% like we can - with the remnants of their ego intact - is because we did exactly that... We COPIED him after killing him.

He was not the first excal, he was just *an* excal. A prisoner made immortal and held in bondage forced to relive being forced to kill his son by ballas.
Empathizing - and going through his trauma - with excal umbra is **also** where we the tenno learned to play the shawzin.

[Midas]

Messaggio originale di Paroe:

Messaggio originale di housersc:

Play the Umbra Excalibur mission. You get to see how the warframes are created. The Orokin are sick people.

How ONE warframe was created.
Not all.
ONE.

The twisted method ballas used was probably unique to umbra, but the use of the helminth infection to make warframes from humans is indeed how they are all made originally.

[Paroe]

Messaggio originale di Midas:

Messaggio originale di Paroe:

How ONE warframe was created.
Not all.
ONE.

The twisted method ballas used was probably unique to umbra, but the use of the helminth infection to make warframes from humans is indeed how they are all made originally.

No. Not all of them, some of them. Theres confirmed to be 3 kinds of warframes and a 4th kind that isnt confirmed.

1) Ones who were originally based on technocyte warriors; Dax or other lower-caste orokin who were turned into warframes after their death whose muscle memory became the basis for "mundane" warframes. Excal, mag, volt, ember, loki, nova. More or less, these warframes are people with super powers and were mass produced.

2) Ones created by margulis and her team for transferrence therapy. Harrow, limbo, and Titania; these warframes were created explicitly for a specific tenno.

3) Ones created by ballas after the weaponization of the initial warframes. These warframes were often made for a specific purpose or orokin. Protea, dagath, voruna, sevagoth, lavos, dante, grendel... These warframes are customized much more than the rank and file and are often either more advanced in what they do (protea > nova, for exmaple) or have extremely stylized inhuman features. These warframes also often have void powers that break the rules of common sense.

And the unconfirmed fourth type is ones created by the lotus and the tenno. These warframes have cultural significance or dont fit into the other three categories: Nezha, Hildryn, Inaros, Nidus.

[Midas]

Messaggio originale di Paroe:

Messaggio originale di Midas:

The twisted method ballas used was probably unique to umbra, but the use of the helminth infection to make warframes from humans is indeed how they are all made originally.

No. Not all of them, some of them. Theres confirmed to be 3 kinds of warframes and a 4th kind that isnt confirmed.

1) Ones who were originally based on technocyte warriors; Dax or other lower-caste orokin who were turned into warframes after their death whose muscle memory became the basis for "mundane" warframes. Excal, mag, volt, ember, loki, nova. More or less, these warframes are people with super powers and were mass produced.

2) Ones created by margulis and her team for transferrence therapy. Harrow, limbo, and Titania; these warframes were created explicitly for a specific tenno.

3) Ones created by ballas after the weaponization of the initial warframes. These warframes were often made for a specific purpose or orokin. Protea, dagath, voruna, sevagoth, lavos, dante, grendel... These warframes are customized much more than the rank and file and are often either more advanced in what they do (protea > nova, for exmaple) or have extremely stylized inhuman features. These warframes also often have void powers that break the rules of common sense.

And the unconfirmed fourth type is ones created by the lotus and the tenno. These warframes have cultural significance or dont fit into the other three categories: Nezha, Hildryn, Inaros, Nidus.

But ALL of them still use the Helminth. All warframes are infested creatures. It's why the Helminth system is in the orbiter.