Nullifers are outdated, prove me wrong.

[⭕⃤ LilYoshi]

Case- Nullifers are an outdated enemy that doesn't fit in the current mold of the game.

Why- You may ask, why? Why are these npcs the worst in the game, it is simple, overguard. The fact is, you can't target most nullifers because of this feature, this makes newer frames that rely on being in a ability state (Such as Vorunas 4 for example) feel like potatoes. Walking whole mobs while blasting through mag bubbles is another one, this one just feels unfair imo.

The solution- (proposed by a player named "Jax_Cavalera" wrote this in a discussion post awhile back. I feel this change could facilitate nullifiers staying in the game, without being too much of a hassle.

- "Bubble" abilities like snow globe, magnetize, cataclysm etc that get removed on contact with a nullie field would no longer be removed

- enemies inside a nullie field are immune to the ability even when the nullie field intersects with the ability.

A note to DE devs- You have explicitly stated that you want your players to feel powerful, we all know the reason we play this game is: A- Fashion, B- BAM BAM NUMBER GET BIGGER! DE, we players are akin to cavemen, we just want to 'press x go club' not 'swap to my operator to blast the nullie drone so the shield bubble stays broken.' while I understand the appeal of nullies, in their current state- they just plain suck. Fix this please. It's been like this since you released them... It's okay DE you can take the L, they've been apart of the game for long enough. Removeeeee them or fix them. Enough is enough.

[Khanwolf]

because shooting the little drone with a single bullet of any gun is rocket science.

[Kou]

Originally posted by Khanwolf:

because shooting the little drone with a single bullet of any gun is rocket science.

It's way too difficult.

[Bowbie]

So you essentially propose that nullifier bubbles don't dispel abilities, don't prevent from using abilities inside the bubble but render foes inside immune to abilities damage & debuff ?
In other words that you keep buffs while entering the bubble and still can cast buffs inside, and stuff like snow globe and reservoirs are immune to them ?

I think it's an unnecessary change. What i might want to change/balance is the destruction of the bubble : with a very powerful slow hitting weapon, to destroy a bubble is an ordeal. I personnally think it's still fine. Go grab a rapid firing secondary or a miter and it's no longer an issue.

[tv]

the one thing that needs to change is if i am inside a nullifier bubble, my shots should not hit their bubble, it should hit them. it's ultra annoying entering a bubble to headshot them and having their shield start shrinking, so now i have to go through it anyway at point blank.

[PhellAsleep]

Originally posted by tv:

the one thing that needs to change is if i am inside a nullifier bubble, my shots should not hit their bubble, it should hit them. it's ultra annoying entering a bubble to headshot them and having their shield start shrinking, so now i have to go through it anyway at point blank.

It starts shrinking because either someone is shooting it from the outside, or they are moved into a smaller space and the bubble is shrinking down to fit. Seems perfectly reasonable.

[MotherVicar]

alright lets drop nullifies but as a consequence the game as a whole gets a massive bump in difficulty and im not talking the usually endless healthbars, im talking tactics, smart maneuvering, dodging, forcing some teamwork.

[jvjd]

Just get a fast fire rate weapon or primed reach melee and they are done .

Nullifiers is as redundant as that Supra tech guy , if players even remember that

[Kou]

Originally posted by jvjd:

Supra tech guy , if players even remember that

Good old times.

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by ⭕⃤ LilYoshi:

Case- Nullifers are an outdated enemy that doesn't fit in the current mold of the game.

Why- You may ask, why? Why are these npcs the worst in the game, it is simple, overguard. The fact is, you can't target most nullifers because of this feature, this makes newer frames that rely on being in a ability state (Such as Vorunas 4 for example) feel like potatoes. Walking whole mobs while blasting through mag bubbles is another one, this one just feels unfair imo.

The solution- (proposed by a player named "Jax_Cavalera" wrote this in a discussion post awhile back. I feel this change could facilitate nullifiers staying in the game, without being too much of a hassle.

- "Bubble" abilities like snow globe, magnetize, cataclysm etc that get removed on contact with a nullie field would no longer be removed

- enemies inside a nullie field are immune to the ability even when the nullie field intersects with the ability.

A note to DE devs- You have explicitly stated that you want your players to feel powerful, we all know the reason we play this game is: A- Fashion, B- BAM BAM NUMBER GET BIGGER! DE, we players are akin to cavemen, we just want to 'press x go club' not 'swap to my operator to blast the nullie drone so the shield bubble stays broken.' while I understand the appeal of nullies, in their current state- they just plain suck. Fix this please. It's been like this since you released them... It's okay DE you can take the L, they've been apart of the game for long enough. Removeeeee them or fix them. Enough is enough.

Nothing you've written here says anything about why they're 'outdated' - only that you don't like them.

They are annoying - but the design philosophy of this game is 'give the players a bunch of cool toys to play with and then introduce enemies that will make it basically impossible to use them so instead of being a unique play experience you will just run and gun like every other looter-shooter'.

However, Nullifiers are super easy, barely an inconenience. You just shoot them and the bubble pops pretty quick. Or you run up into their face and melee them.

The real ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ are the Infested Ancients - all have the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 'I'll knock you down on the ground even though you jumped behind me during the windup' harpoon attack and the actual ass in the game are the energy drain ones.

Those have *massive fething armor and HP pools* so you can't kill them quickly, like to hide next to the wall in the next room over, and will drain your energy in about 5 seconds.

[The Big Brzezinski]

It's true. Nullifiers are outdated. They should be shooting at you with large nullification spheres that bounce around the room, as well as walking around in one.

[Khanwolf]

Originally posted by The Big Brzezinski:

It's true. Nullifiers are outdated. They should be shooting at you with large nullification spheres that bounce around the room, as well as walking around in one.

+1

[Salty]

Originally posted by Khanwolf Pz.Div. West:

because shooting the little drone with a single bullet of any gun is rocket science.

1 bullet tho???... takes loads

[Errors On]

Originally posted by Khanwolf Pz.Div. West:

because shooting the little drone with a single bullet of any gun is rocket science.

The drone is status-immune, health scales way too fast, is way too small, moves way too quickly when the enemy rotates (an issue with SEVERAL enemies in this game) and is generally less efficient than just pumping in damage until the bubble bursts.
the 'weak spot'
is LESS EFFICIENT.
Indefensibly awful game design

[lowgrav]

if nullys lose their bubble this would make corprus units far less of a threat to me wow overguard protecting you from my abilitys......well i was never planning on using my ability on you anyway as the thing about nully bubbles is they turn off abilitys in an area so abilitys like rhino roar loki invisability or wukong cloud cant go there and will cut ivara cable

i built a tank frame its imune to energy leach extermis and has an ability that can affect a overguarded enimy as that ability does 0 damage but is ironicly still a CC ability in my books and still works but the only thing this build fears is nully bubbles and somba units (the dudes with the foggy pulse that have ice scates /rolar blades on their feet) as those things will turn off my frame buffs to both damage and survivability

what you suggest is flawed as it only takes into account abilitys that affect an enimy not a player or an area like how would this work for that frame with the damage absorber ability wow just max range and duration and chill in ranged weapons are useless? sure you cant kill enimys but lets be serious here do you need to kill anything to progress missions like mobile defence , mirror defence , defection , spy , interception (sure i get it at the end you need to clear the room but not an issue at that point as there is no time limit on how long you got to do that)

[Dracon]

People have trouble with Nullifiers? LoL Good lord the skill gap