has anyone actually read the weird exclusions for cross-save and merging?

[Everglow]

1. nintendo switch platinum can only be used on switch
2. platform exclusive items/skins will not be available on playstation merge
3. founders items will only work on pc
4. tennogen items purchased after november 24th will be locked to either consoles (sounds like it will work on any consoles) while if you purchased it on pc will only work on pc, and apparently this also applys to gifting, “TennoGen items are unique to each platform. If you purchase or gift this item on PC, it will only be available on PC.” so sounds like if you gift it to SOMEONE ELSE it will also be locked to your main platform
5. if you previosusly did an account transfer you will not be allowed to do an account merge, so if you started on PC and transfered to console you are not allowed to merge that account

obviously nintendo is forcing the platinum thing

why is it only playstation main account merging getting rid of exclusive items? cause the way they word it sounds like they will delete your items, is this some sort of weird anti-competator advertisment

did no founders transfer to consoles?

did they annouce the tennogen limitations before november 24th? if not thats kinda scummy to learn it after the fact, and even gifting gets limited based off the buyers platform

people who transfered probably still made a second account but cant merge (sounds like crosssave and account linking is fine but im not fully sure)

[Mjr.Death]

Sony has always been extremely keen on exclusives even on multi-platform games so I’m not surprised, an exclusive item and skin here, multiple exclusive missions there, so I’m not really surprised by something like that being an issue for PS accounts.

[Shard of Manus]

1. Nintendo being Nintendo.

2. Sony like their exclusives. You pick a 'main account', so when merging you would be taking the PS account as your main account when merging. I think all platform exclusives will only available when playing on that platform, I'm not sure.

3. A weird one, not sure why they did this.

4. Tennogen being limited was so people couldn't just buy all the Tennogen with platinum. On PC you pay with money, and a portion of that goes to the creator. If PC players could start buying Tennogen with plat, then many could just clear out the entire Tennogen stock without buying a single thing with their own money.

The reason it was on 24th was to prevent people doing this in anticipation with a console account, stocking up on platinum and buying Tennogen (easy to trade yourself your own plat from PC to console if you have enough Credits).

5. Account Link and Merge are different things. Link will make you pick a main profile, and you can link it to your console ID (such as PSN or Xbox Gamertag) and thereby if you install on consoles you can just pick up your main profile anywhere. It's intended for people without profiles on consoles.

Merge has you choose a main platform, then combine it with your profile from another console and create a 'master profile' that has your stuff from both all merged into one. Intended for people that have played on at least two platforms.

The reason you can't merge an account that was migrated is because the migrated account is a copy. Even if, post migration, they had separate progress, you originally copied your existing progress from PC to console.

e.g. Let's say I had an MR25 account and had migrated to PS4, I had 2000p, 10,000,000 Credits, loads of resources and a variety of gear.

Let's assume I played only on PS4 from then, and now we come to this date and I want to merge accounts - I could claim back all the stuff from the PC account, essentially obtaining 2000p for free and all of my pre-existing resources which I had earlier copied.

[Everglow]

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

1. Nintendo being Nintendo.

2. Sony like their exclusives. You pick a 'main account', so when merging you would be taking the PS account as your main account when merging. I think all platform exclusives will only available when playing on that platform, I'm not sure.

3. A weird one, not sure why they did this.

4. Tennogen being limited was so people couldn't just buy all the Tennogen with platinum. On PC you pay with money, and a portion of that goes to the creator. If PC players could start buying Tennogen with plat, then many could just clear out the entire Tennogen stock without buying a single thing with their own money.

The reason it was on 24th was to prevent people doing this in anticipation with a console account, stocking up on platinum and buying Tennogen (easy to trade yourself your own plat from PC to console if you have enough Credits).

5. Account Link and Merge are different things. Link will make you pick a main profile, and you can link it to your console ID (such as PSN or Xbox Gamertag) and thereby if you install on consoles you can just pick up your main profile anywhere. It's intended for people without profiles on consoles.

Merge has you choose a main platform, then combine it with your profile from another console and create a 'master profile' that has your stuff from both all merged into one. Intended for people that have played on at least two platforms.

The reason you can't merge an account that was migrated is because the migrated account is a copy. Even if, post migration, they had separate progress, you originally copied your existing progress from PC to console.

e.g. Let's say I had an MR25 account and had migrated to PS4, I had 2000p, 10,000,000 Credits, loads of resources and a variety of gear.

Let's assume I played only on PS4 from then, and now we come to this date and I want to merge accounts - I could claim back all the stuff from the PC account, essentially obtaining 2000p for free and all of my pre-existing resources which I had earlier copied.

i could of sworn account transfers deleted the original account from pc, was it just copying? and its been years since the main transfers happened (im not counting switch) so there would be massive differences even if it was a copy by now

[Everglow]

Originally posted by Shard of Manus:

1. Nintendo being Nintendo.

2. Sony like their exclusives. You pick a 'main account', so when merging you would be taking the PS account as your main account when merging. I think all platform exclusives will only available when playing on that platform, I'm not sure.

3. A weird one, not sure why they did this.

4. Tennogen being limited was so people couldn't just buy all the Tennogen with platinum. On PC you pay with money, and a portion of that goes to the creator. If PC players could start buying Tennogen with plat, then many could just clear out the entire Tennogen stock without buying a single thing with their own money.

The reason it was on 24th was to prevent people doing this in anticipation with a console account, stocking up on platinum and buying Tennogen (easy to trade yourself your own plat from PC to console if you have enough Credits).

5. Account Link and Merge are different things. Link will make you pick a main profile, and you can link it to your console ID (such as PSN or Xbox Gamertag) and thereby if you install on consoles you can just pick up your main profile anywhere. It's intended for people without profiles on consoles.

Merge has you choose a main platform, then combine it with your profile from another console and create a 'master profile' that has your stuff from both all merged into one. Intended for people that have played on at least two platforms.

The reason you can't merge an account that was migrated is because the migrated account is a copy. Even if, post migration, they had separate progress, you originally copied your existing progress from PC to console.

e.g. Let's say I had an MR25 account and had migrated to PS4, I had 2000p, 10,000,000 Credits, loads of resources and a variety of gear.

Let's assume I played only on PS4 from then, and now we come to this date and I want to merge accounts - I could claim back all the stuff from the PC account, essentially obtaining 2000p for free and all of my pre-existing resources which I had earlier copied.

also https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1374265-cross-platform-save-rollout-information-coming-soon/

Platform-exclusive items such as the Xbox Jade items, Nintendo Switch Opal items, Amethyst Skins from Discord will NOT transfer to PlayStation during the One-Time Account Merge. In addition, PC exclusives such as the Phased Skins, Rubedo Skins, IAHGames Braton Skin and Rixty MOL skin will not be available on PlayStation.

Conversely, the PlayStation-exclusive Obsidian Skins will NOT be available to use on platforms other than PlayStation.

they only list playstation as the limitation to exclusives, and they arent saying its an example

[Khanwolf]

these are "greedy" Limitations:

Plat is handled differently on all Platforms and i thought they would simply UNIFY that for all platforms, so the Account Link can fluidly use cosmetics and other Plat-related Stuff on all linked Platforms, but no: Still Plat Discounts with Nintendo Points, still Tennogen for Plat to lure in Players, still weird Coupon Events... Business Models!

Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo and whoever publishes this here*, didnt come together to create a unified system. They just built the Cross Save around these Obstacles, because any change could mean slightly lower numbers.

Thats horrible and shows how thoughtless and lazy the Industry does such things as a whole. A unified Plat and Tennogen System on all Platforms with the same prices and the same discounts would enable us to move cosmetics and else around on all linked Accounts.

a horrible and very sad picture! People who decide such things are really well paid for it and highly studied. The consequences for the Player of simply changing nothing are absolutely clear to such employees. Still it is decided this way, because it is easiest and most lazy way and changes nothing in the Business Models!

[Weasel699]

Originally posted by Mjr.Death:

Sony has always been extremely keen on exclusives even on multi-platform games so I’m not surprised, an exclusive item and skin here, multiple exclusive missions there, so I’m not really surprised by something like that being an issue for PS accounts.

funny thing is they have special fortnight things and skins for free and they are seen on xbox and everywhere else so i think it's weird warframe is being like no

[RedEssence]

the game is 10 years old, it was never designed for cross play, I can't imagine how buried in spaghetti code some of these systems are, especially in different builds for different platforms

Its definately possibly to unify all the platinum systems, etc to make all the skins function properly on all platforms but the amount of time it would take for virtually no content would anger more in the community than drip gate, atleast thats my prediction

[BoxxyB]

The switch version of the game isn't made by DE so the platinum system is likely different there which is or would most likely be the reason for the switch thing. There are other free to play games on switch that do not have this issue but without DE directly telling us no one will ever know. Its not like sony where we have known for years they hated the idea of crossplay and save which they've sinced back pedaled on

[Everglow]

Originally posted by RedEssence:

the game is 10 years old, it was never designed for cross play, I can't imagine how buried in spaghetti code some of these systems are, especially in different builds for different platforms

Its definately possibly to unify all the platinum systems, etc to make all the skins function properly on all platforms but the amount of time it would take for virtually no content would anger more in the community than drip gate, atleast thats my prediction

well the skins do work on all platforms though, you can be put in lobbies with people with the exclusive skins and such no problem

honestly the weirdest one is the exclusive skins not being allowed on other platforms, like limit it to be purchased on their platforms but allow people to use it else where would make sense, but that isnt how they are doing it

as for tennogen the creators still get paid regardless of the platform, would it be so bad make the PC tennogen be purchased with plat? like are creators paid less or something on console?

[CallMeGeRoS]

if i have credits, platinum and ps plus exvlusive skins, none of that would merge if i want the pc as main account? mainly because al the prime gaming rewards i got.

i mean i have 250 platinum and 200 more in the mail wittout reclaiming, those gonna merge or should i buy a warframe before merginG?

[Gh0st.exe]

as for tennogen the creators still get paid regardless of the platform, would it be so bad make the PC tennogen be purchased with plat? like are creators paid less or something on console?

As far as i know, creators arent paid for Tennogen sales on consoles. On PC, Tennogen items can only purchased "directly" aka "pay 5.99, get the item". On consoles it works with plat only, aka "buy X plat, then use X plat to buy the Tennogen item" (most likely because they couldnt strike a deal with Sony / games on the Playstation and its store arent intended for a system like Tennogen).
Then there is also the problem of plat not having a set price thanks to discounts. Lets say f.e. 500 plat cost 5$, a pack with 1500 plat costs 12.99$. How would you now calculate the $ price (and in turn the creators share) of a Tennogen item that is bought with 800 plat?

So yeah, its makes sense that Tennogen wont transfer over. Even in the best case scenario it would be a big drop in the creator earnings.

[[D3RP] Ate-By-Zombies]

So what they outlined and what I've experienced are not the same.
I could merge an account they outlined as only available to link.
I have skins from xbox that I can use on playstation and PC
I have playstation stuff that I can use on PC and I haven't been back on xbox but assume its there also.

Its been a great merge but I can't speak on the founders items cause I don't have any.
I did notice the X in the xbox skin for my ship is not visible on playstation but thats really the only thing I can find out of place so far.

[Sinderance]

I merged my PC and Switch accounts but now I can't leave Earth because it wants me to do Vor's Prize which I can't do. I also can't access anything in my Orbiter besides Navigation and Arcanes. Can't even go to Cetus.