Cross-Save gotten another delay due to major issue.

[AllergicToBrainRot]

From Warframe twitter account:

"Cross Save: We did a soft, unannounced Founders launch and found a major issue with Clan handoff, so we've paused further action.
Watch Socials, Forums, and Red Text on Monday for next steps. We apologize, but we don't want to leave this over the weekend"

Please don't start whining at them. I've seen enough of that whenever they make a post on twitter or any other social platforms they use.

[MrSnitches]

Originally posted by Gh0st.exe:

clan member handoffs arent a "major issue".

a major issue would be something to the degree of loss of content of the account etc.

But thats the thing: If a problem with something that minor came up, there is a reasonable chance that something could come up once you try to test it with something major. Just going ahead despite those problems / without fixing them is the WORST decision they could make. And that doesnt factor in how the problem with clan members, if not fixed, could lead to problems with other (seemingly unrelated) parts of the game down the line.
Also: They didnt say that clan handoff was a major issue, they said they had a major issue with clan handoff, there is a big difference.

Both much smaller, less funded studios and the big studios around have found ways to implement cross-progression in all manner of simpler and more complicated games.

And the vast majority of those games intended for cross-progression from the very beginning. That is another thing most people dont seem to understand: "Creating a game with cross-progression / save / play right from the beginning" and "implementing cross-progression / save / play in a game that doesnt have it and wasnt created with that in mind / the intent to implement it further down the line" are 2 entirely different situations, with the latter one being much more difficult.
And that doesnt even factor in how "other studios did it!" is a non-starter from the beginning. Different games with different systems have different solutions. And no, "well, its their spaghetti code, so its their fault" is no argument here, because a game can be perfectly developed without any "spaghetti code" and still have problems with the implementation of certain things / cant just do the same thing others have done. Especially when the game wasnt created with crossprogression in mind from the start. But the fact that you seem to put "fragments of old code" in the same category as "spaghetti code" already tells me that you dont seem to have that much knowledge when it comes to that topic...

DE has been working on this for quite a few years now, there's no need to make excuses for them...

Explaining reality isnt "makign excuses" just because certain people dont like the - often dissapointing / annoying - reality.

Stop making excuses for lackluster dev performance just because you spent a bunch of Prime packs.

The funny thing is, if people would stop making unreasonable demands / complaints, other people would in turn stop making what you refer to as "excuses".

No one is making unreasonable demands, unfortunately DE (so far) is simply incapable of doing what's already been referenced, even with so many years to have accomplished it.

It's ok for you to be able to admit the consistent trail of failure on the project and still enjoy the game at the same time. Cheers!

[C486]

Give it time. WF has had ten or so years to get here, whats another few months to a year?

[Gh0st.exe]

No one is making unreasonable demands

Demanding cross-save while claiming any delay to be "just excuses because they are so bad / lazy" isnt unreasonable? And claiming that "other studios also have cross progression, so it cant be that hard" while ignoring literally anything about how game development works also isnt unreasonable?

unfortunately DE (so far) is simply incapable of doing what's already been referenced, even with so many years to have accomplished it.

And as was already pointed out: It isnt as easy as just checking the box at "enable cross save". I mean, its not even just the technical side: Introducing cross save also requires the other companies involved (like Sony for the Playstation and Microsoft for the XBoX) to play along, which in turn leads to quiet a lot of legal complications that need to be solved.

[Jay Tee]

kinda figured that cross save won't be this year, though i'll be surprised if it's completely out before christmas break.

[Fosky-_-]

Originally posted by Gh0st.exe:

clan member handoffs arent a "major issue".

a major issue would be something to the degree of loss of content of the account etc.

But thats the thing: If a problem with something that minor came up, there is a reasonable chance that something could come up once you try to test it with something major. Just going ahead despite those problems / without fixing them is the WORST decision they could make. And that doesnt factor in how the problem with clan members, if not fixed, could lead to problems with other (seemingly unrelated) parts of the game down the line.
Also: They didnt say that clan handoff was a major issue, they said they had a major issue with clan handoff, there is a big difference.

Both much smaller, less funded studios and the big studios around have found ways to implement cross-progression in all manner of simpler and more complicated games.

And the vast majority of those games intended for cross-progression from the very beginning. That is another thing most people dont seem to understand: "Creating a game with cross-progression / save / play right from the beginning" and "implementing cross-progression / save / play in a game that doesnt have it and wasnt created with that in mind / the intent to implement it further down the line" are 2 entirely different situations, with the latter one being much more difficult.
And that doesnt even factor in how "other studios did it!" is a non-starter from the beginning. Different games with different systems have different solutions. And no, "well, its their spaghetti code, so its their fault" is no argument here, because a game can be perfectly developed without any "spaghetti code" and still have problems with the implementation of certain things / cant just do the same thing others have done. Especially when the game wasnt created with crossprogression in mind from the start. But the fact that you seem to put "fragments of old code" in the same category as "spaghetti code" already tells me that you dont seem to have that much knowledge when it comes to that topic...

DE has been working on this for quite a few years now, there's no need to make excuses for them...

Explaining reality isnt "makign excuses" just because certain people dont like the - often dissapointing / annoying - reality.

Stop making excuses for lackluster dev performance just because you spent a bunch of Prime packs.

The funny thing is, if people would stop making unreasonable demands / complaints, other people would in turn stop making what you refer to as "excuses".

Exactly designing a game with cross-save and cross-progression in mind is a complete different story then implementing it from scratch later during it's release.

[Xelrazad]

2minute warning for hotfix update = 0 rewards = inspired to forever uninstal and never come back

[MrSnitches]

Originally posted by Gh0st.exe:

No one is making unreasonable demands

Demanding cross-save while claiming any delay to be "just excuses because they are so bad / lazy" isnt unreasonable? And claiming that "other studios also have cross progression, so it cant be that hard" while ignoring literally anything about how game development works also isnt unreasonable?

unfortunately DE (so far) is simply incapable of doing what's already been referenced, even with so many years to have accomplished it.

And as was already pointed out: It isnt as easy as just checking the box at "enable cross save". I mean, its not even just the technical side: Introducing cross save also requires the other companies involved (like Sony for the Playstation and Microsoft for the XBoX) to play along, which in turn leads to quiet a lot of legal complications that need to be solved.

Oh you sweet dear child... You'd find any reason to make an excuse for them.

And, just to point it out (while you apparently though you had something to point out at all), no one is expecting a check box that magically turns on cross save. If that's your understanding of how that works, I guess that explains every comment you've made on this.

[reesu]

It’s actually really disappointing but I knew it would get delayed again. DE talked about cross save back in 2019. Since then everyone was waiting patiently for more news which we finally got during TennoCon 2021 when they said it’s launching in 2022. They then said it’s going to be available before the end of 2023. Then they said no actually we’re launching it end of 2023 and they finally gave us a date— first they said Dec. 13 together with the new update. Then they said it will be delayed one day, new date will be Dec. 14 but then:

“Internal staff testing has revealed new issues we need to address before we can guarantee stability with more players. Please stay tuned for more updates tomorrow on our next "drip gate" steps.”


No updates given but the day after they said this:

“we did a soft and silent launch for Founders without announcement and discovered a major issue with Clan handoff, so we've paused further action. We will update you on our Socials, Forums, and Red Text on Monday for next steps. We apologize, but we don't want to leave this over the weekend.”


I mean, people being upset have a point and those making excuses for DE and telling others to be quiet, why? We’ve waited years for cross save and when they finally gave us a release date and were so close to it they decided to do quick internal testing? They even said a few days ago the phased rollout will take only days and everyone will have cross save available within a few days. Now they’re delaying fixing that Clan handoff issue until Monday because for some reason they thought silently launching cross save for founders on Friday was a good idea. Now we might not see cross save until 2024 after they come back from their Christmas holidays. It’s frustrating and disappointing.

[PREDATOR-V]

They have 1 week to sort this out since the office will close for the Christmas break and wont reopen until 2024. So it's probably very unlikely that cross save will come out to non founders this year.

[Sgt. Apples]

Originally posted by Corporal-Sheppard:

jesus, i just want to transfer my tens of thousands of hour xbox account to pc already. is that so hard to ask.

I know right, literally all the other FTP multi platform games have gone and done this, hell THEY literally already did this before and it wasnt so long ago they said it was quite literally impossible for them to do, so yeah Im ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ well sick of the bs excuses

[TACTICAL D-0GGY]

Originally posted by YoloSwagins:

Originally posted by Corporal-Sheppard:

jesus, i just want to transfer my tens of thousands of hour xbox account to pc already. is that so hard to ask.

This 100% the only reason why I don't play on PC. Please let me bring Pizza Prime clan to PC So we can get back on the grind! :dslike:

Same I've been waiting since plains of eidolon to get back into this game and it seems like cross save won't be a real thing until at least Q2 2024, four years after it was originally announced.

[reesu]

Originally posted by WOOFWOOFWOOFWOOFWOOFWOOF:

Same I've been waiting since plains of eidolon to get back into this game and it seems like cross save won't be a real thing until at least Q2 2024, four years after it was originally announced.

Ugh I really hope not.

[Mysteron 108]

Just make people hand them over before they do it. A hard lock that says "you cant merge while holding a position of power in a clan" if thats the only thing stopping this, just let everyone else who doesnt have that problem proceed as planned.

Being a leader of a clan seems like the most obvious first issue they should have looked at and fixed. Majority of clans are 1 man, or tiny group of friends operations. Id b e more shocked to find out theres more unclanned people, than there are solo clans. They have this data, they should know.

[reesu]

Originally posted by Mysteron 108:

Just make people hand them over before they do it. A hard lock that says "you cant merge while holding a position of power in a clan" if thats the only thing stopping this, just let everyone else who doesnt have that problem proceed as planned.

Being a leader of a clan seems like the most obvious first issue they should have looked at and fixed. Majority of clans are 1 man, or tiny group of friends operations. Id b e more shocked to find out theres more unclanned people, than there are solo clans. They have this data, they should know.

Agreed. Also, the founders that had a chance to migrate said the process was perfectly seamless, every single one of them. The only problem was *some* of them got removed from their Clan.

[Gargoyle]

Originally posted by Corporal-Sheppard:

jesus, i just want to transfer my tens of thousands of hour xbox account to pc already. is that so hard to ask.

Thats why i havent bothered touching Warframe on PC again...most of my time was invested on Xbox one version. :/ Last time i played it on PC it still had a stamina bar lol.