It's time for DE to take Warframe's story seriously or abandon it

[Akela]

I'm a relatively veteran player. I've consumed all the content in the game and farmed/grinded countless things over the years and I'm tired of doing it, I don't buy platinum anymore because I have everything I want. And my guild is already dead. I'm the only one connecting. The only reason why I stand firm is the story but with Duviri I have come to reconsider this.

Duviri was the key point to connect all the unfinished business. Instead, once again we receive content with more questions and no answers.

Already in the New War strange things happened. An empire rose and fell without some players even notice it. A detailed explanation of how the timeline works was given, but in practice anything that suits the script happens.

Every time something is explained it arises from a "mysterious" base. I think there is a difference between mystery and not knowing where you want to go.

I honestly think DE is tired of making Warframe. I'm going to give it a chance for some more expansion, but If I see that the objective is to keep us making repetitive content all the time so that we get tired and buy platinum and packs. I'm done.

A humble opinion.

[SkySplitter]

Unfortunately I've given up. Something inside me broke when DE made me play through survival, collect balls (forgot what that mode is called), excavation, extermination, collect balls AGAIN, and defense to wrap it all up. All while trying to comprehend a story with undeserved twist and turns. I'm not sure what possessed DE into hijacking the long-awaited story update into a tutorial broken up by convoluted drifter gameplay. I didn't even get to fight any orowyrms during the quest (the little "snake" mini-game at the end does not really count imo).

I'm just going to move on to other things rather than wait for DE to realize the live game shouldn't be their "test servers". The Duviri Paradox quest was so disappointing that it did not get me wanting to engage with the actual content at all (which from what I heard is a mixed bag) or their 5 year plan for Warframe (based on a Reddit AMA with DE). Only time I think I'll come back is near the end of the game's life cycle.

[Alliobro2309]

I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying here. I feel as though they were setting the expectation that this would be the update to give us all the answers we've been longing for, close off all those open ends and finally move onto a new chapter in the story. Instead we got a useless tutorial quest that has nothing to do with the actual start of the game instead of them actually trying to improve the original new player experience.

[Pakaku]

Originally posted by SkySplitter:

I didn't even get to fight any orowyrms during the quest (the little "snake" mini-game at the end does not really count imo).

You'll do that at the end of Duviri bounties. There's even an option to skip ahead, straight to the Orowyrm fight.

[SmellyTerror]

Originally posted by SkySplitter:

Unfortunately I've given up. Something inside me broke when DE made me play through survival, collect balls (forgot what that mode is called), excavation, extermination, collect balls AGAIN, and defense to wrap it all up. ... I'm not sure what possessed DE into hijacking the long-awaited story update into a tutorial broken up by convoluted drifter gameplay.

So you don't like that it's a tutorial, and you don't like convoluted gameplay either. You don't like doing quick bursts of old game modes, and you don't like new game modes either.

Just wondering what they could possibly do to satisfy you.

[_ALuX_]

DE doesn't even understand what they've made anymore, as it has effectively just been an exercise in cramming as much content as they possibly can into the game while hoping that we don't notice how badly they want us to forget about everything else. Nothing will be expanded upon, bugs will never be fixed, and it will just be an endless stream of disjointed content that is fun for a while, but will be forgotten faster than my Grandmother's short-term memory. I'm not quitting this game just yet, but I have zero incentive to interact with Duviri now that I have Sun & Moon currently under construction in my foundry.

[lil rat]

I like to think Warframe is similar to 40k with how its stories go, where the climax is what matters most, meanwhile exposition and resolution nearly the exact same. Only thing 40k does better is that it already has lore to fill in the majority of gaps in the setting, whereas Warframe always has you asking questions on what is going outside whatever you're doing.

I don't think the game suffers that much with its mid stories, it just needs better worldbuilding that ISN'T from the codex imo. One of the things that always irks me is how we never exactly know how everyone's holding up in the Origin System. Like, how did the Grineer and Corpus rebuild their strength after the New War? What is the general population doing? How tf have the Tenno not taken over the System with how OP they are?

[«Wodan»]

Yeah, the story part of the update is lacking. The Circuit gets boring fast and is just recycled game modes on another new tile set. I don't know what to really say anymore, it will just be another content island I guess. I like the orowyrm fight at least.

[SmellyTerror]

Originally posted by _ALuX_:

DE doesn't even understand what they've made anymore, as it has effectively just been an exercise in cramming as much content as they possibly can into the game while hoping that we don't notice how badly they want us to forget about everything else. Nothing will be expanded upon, bugs will never be fixed, and it will just be an endless stream of disjointed content that is fun for a while, but will be forgotten faster than my Grandmother's short-term memory. I'm not quitting this game just yet, but I have zero incentive to interact with Duviri now that I have Sun & Moon currently under construction in my foundry.

God, at the risk of sounding like a mindless fanboi, what does this even mean?

You're criticising them for "cramming as much content as they possibly can into the game" which is just bizarre. How is that a bad thing?

"...hoping that we don't notice how badly they want us to forget about everything else" - meaning what? What are they hoping we forget? What are you even talking about? The whole game is still there. Nothing got removed.

"...bugs will never be fixed..." What bugs are never fixed? Prior to this update it's been one of the most bug-free games I've ever played. You can rightfully complain about the bugs right now, but suggesting they never fix them is just mad.

"...endless stream of disjointed content that is fun for a while..." So... like every game and pass-time in human civilisation? And given it's an endless steam, in a FREE game, you ... are you saying that's bad?

[⎝⎝💚TOͥNͣNͫY💚⎠⎠]

Forget stories, I have trouble understanding wtf is happening while im doing the story quest. I have to look up wiki to understand the story. How sad is that. They deliver dialogs as if it is a warframe version of Shakespeare

[Wanderer]

I had to use the wiki over the years. Lots of weird things that can't piece together.

[_ALuX_]

Originally posted by SmellyTerror:

Originally posted by _ALuX_:

DE doesn't even understand what they've made anymore, as it has effectively just been an exercise in cramming as much content as they possibly can into the game while hoping that we don't notice how badly they want us to forget about everything else. Nothing will be expanded upon, bugs will never be fixed, and it will just be an endless stream of disjointed content that is fun for a while, but will be forgotten faster than my Grandmother's short-term memory. I'm not quitting this game just yet, but I have zero incentive to interact with Duviri now that I have Sun & Moon currently under construction in my foundry.

God, at the risk of sounding like a mindless fanboi, what does this even mean?

You're criticising them for "cramming as much content as they possibly can into the game" which is just bizarre. How is that a bad thing?

"...hoping that we don't notice how badly they want us to forget about everything else" - meaning what? What are they hoping we forget? What are you even talking about? The whole game is still there. Nothing got removed.

"...bugs will never be fixed..." What bugs are never fixed? Prior to this update it's been one of the most bug-free games I've ever played. You can rightfully complain about the bugs right now, but suggesting they never fix them is just mad.

"...endless stream of disjointed content that is fun for a while..." So... like every game and pass-time in human civilisation? And given it's an endless steam, in a FREE game, you ... are you saying that's bad?

Want my explanation? Here you go:

In of itself, DE adding more content to the game is not a bad thing. However my criticism is directed towards how they seem to want to jam more stuff into the game at the expense of some of their older content. In other words, everything you see here in Duviri will see support for a few months and will never be developed upon ever again.

This leads me to my second point: what they want us to forget. Anybody who has been paying attention will know that DE has made many lofty goals for themselves. Unfortunately a lot of them had never come to pass. Anybody who remembers railjacks know this. Anybody who remembers necramechs will know this. Anybody who remembers the entirety of New War will know this. None of them ever went anywhere, and just became yet another content island built on a false promise that they were going to be some kind of big game-changing event. And yet we still have yet to see any of these interact with the rest of the game world. And of course, as seen in my first point, they will never be developed on ever again, which then brings me to my third point - the unaddressed bugs. While Warframe isn't the worst offender and is pretty stable on its own, there are still a lot of bugs out there. For example: the Ropalolyst is still a frustrating experience. I did it recently for Nightwave, and I spent about twenty minutes trying to jump onto it so I could keep the fight going (read: the part where you have to jump on him after directing the laser to the towers). For some bugs, it will be a long time before DE addresses them, especially when the next development cycle kicks in and its all about the new stuff that resets the whole cycle.

As for my final point - its fun for a while because eventually it wears off. For Warframe, it wears off faster because there just isn't much of a soul put into the game anymore - just update after unfulfilling update. And while this does not mean that the new content is immediately bad it just falls short of being an experience that I will stick with. As I said before, I will probably never touch Duviri again for a long time. And yes - just because it's free, does not mean its somehow magically immune to criticism, which seems to be the theme for the past five days judging from a few other threads I've come from.

Hopefully this clears it up, because this will be the last time I repeat myself.

[Xan]

Hey guys remember Archwing? It's cool right? Right?

[player7112]

Originally posted by Akela:

Duviri was the key point to connect all the unfinished business. Instead, once again we receive content with more questions and no answers.

What I have dechiphered so far is pretty simple:
When The Zariman ship crashed into another dimension, a tenno(drifter) use the void power to create an imaginary land from his favorite book "the tale of the Duviri" or something, the land was controlled by his emotions
Emotions are what connected us.

But it's just another page of Warframe story anyway.
I'll just shoot baddies and grinding shets, I suck at Sci-Fi stuffs.

[ᔑᓭ∴ᔑリ⊣]

Originally posted by SmellyTerror:

"...bugs will never be fixed..." What bugs are never fixed? Prior to this update it's been one of the most bug-free games I've ever played. You can rightfully complain about the bugs right now, but suggesting they never fix them is just mad.

bruh i want whatever you're huffing. by god i better not be the only person experiencing this stupid bug on lua with enemies spawning behind you, most annoying ♥♥♥♥ ever

[sL Ug]

you have to realize that tencent (16th richest company in the world) owns most of DE, and they are a conglomerate, and everyone (especially tencent) swears up and down that 'nothing will change' but look at how this game is going.. the devs literally don't need to do what players want anymore because they don't rely on player funding anymore, with tencent likely forcing at least a few things, especially considering how huge the chinese version of warframe is, DE doesn't have to care about what the players want anymore, so all anyone can really do is call DE out for what they're doing or rather not doing