Stop doing content islands and beta testing soulframe!

[GoFundYourself]

Honestly, i love Warframe as it was, and yes i dont have problem to support games with cosmetics and had never a bad feeling when doing. But past "updates" maddens me more and more.

----------- RAILJACK ------------
cool side aspect, would be awesome if extended in a meaningful matter. More Ship types, raiding travelling fleets, maybe even replace those silly "extractor" which are forgotten after 1hour after installing the game with (passive) space mining.

They did: in itself closed content island, never to be touched again; potential wasted

----------- NECRAMECH ------------
Well vehicle mechanics, maybe useful; but guess hey, barely summonable outside that content island. Surprise ? No. Integrated in the mainline of game mechanics ? Sir, how could you dare to even ask for this ?

----------- LICHES ------------
Yes, your archnemesis, something to hit repeatedly in the face, reap the rewards, Nice addition, but wait there is. .. no ... more ? Yup, we heard it correctly, just an episode of fine stuff. played it for while, never touch it again, i still remember there was a base gameplay, yes onto that again.

----------- DUVIRI ------------
We knew it will be strange, otherworldy. It is beautiful and well done by artists. No one will ever doubt or critize the work of artists, its awesome. But the game loop designer, if there are any, did also well; in their opinion; in their little world without community/majority of still active players. Why ? theyve scrapped all the mechanics/long worked and engineered buttloads of warframes, weapons and mods and inserted some "new" something....

After my first hour of play i more & more got the feeling of a dejavu. Ive already seen that type of swordplay, this lack of ability, this slowness, this ugly targetting ... yes i remember that Soulframe Katana combat showcase.

Well if you are into that souls-like type of game, you probably dont get my point, thats ok and if you enjoy it, do it and have your fun. But for me it is death of Warframe. Actively trying to press "insert current hype here" element into an existing, unique game that has been successful and one of the "best"/"friendly" communities in the industry, WAS / IS / WILL be a HUGE ERROR!

This is the first and probably last time i comment an update, but i have to vent myself, because Duviri is that one last overflowing drop of repeated wrong design foci and disregarding the community/not knowing what the core of their own game is.

One last opinion:
Dear DE, i totally appreciate your adventurouness to new shores, experiment with gameplay, etc. BUT if a mechanic or game loop burns out after 1 month SHUT IT DOWN and cleanup your GAME!!! In the meantime warframe is no more a game, but a huge, smelly clump of (partly forgotten) minigames that no one plays anymore. And hey, guess what, maybe new player are upset that they cannot find any groups for content they want to play for their first time but everybody else never plays again ?

[Weaselly]

Everything (save for Necramech) that you mentioned here is actually content I somewhat regularly do in Warframe. I'm trying to get every Tenet and Kuva weapon for the hell of it, I enjoy Railjack tbh, and I think Duviri's - at the very least - gonna remain a diversion that I engage with semi-often, when I don't feel like doing anything else.

I'm not big on content islands as a principle; I think they're poor game design. That being said, though, I actually do tend to like the content of Warframe's islands.

But I'm only one person, and I think the vast majority of the playerbase feels the same way as you lol

[GoFundYourself]

It is absolutely fine, if you enjoy that type of content; nothing against it. but i had to vent my frustration, i doubt my opinion will have any impact on DEs direction. But it is always good to let them know.

[Weaselly]

Originally posted by GoFundYourself:

It is absolutely fine, if you enjoy that type of content; nothing against it. but i had to vent my frustration, i doubt my opinion will have any impact on DEs direction. But it is always good to let them know.

Always. Update's got plenty of problems, and they've been affecting me even if I enjoy the content lol

Like, come on; doing side objectives in Duviri makes the main objective marker disappear. This has to have come up in testing.

[GoFundYourself]

Indeed, those elementary and basic script error are gamebreaking and are not allowed to be in a release candidate. There are plenty of automated testing software out (for a price of course).
Even if errors occur a good software catches them and initiates an alternate route so that it is NOT disrupting the flow. But i guess there was no need for a failsafe or monitoring the critical path

[Donitsi]

I partially agree with this. Duviri's Paradox gives option to use melee while using Drifter... but I have a strange feeling that feature is out of the window in rest of the game. Deja Vu feeling with Necramechs which were cool idea until I found out that you can't use them outside of Open world maps.
They should stop creating new unique content which is only playable within that tiny content island or area. Why would I even play Duviri's Paradox if I never unlock Drifter melee skills for rest of the game. Most likely I will go back to Fissures, Sorties and Archons before seven days have passed.

Music and the world is awesome but this update doesn't expand that much rest of the game. I would have played Railjack even more if it rewarded player better but if I'm not mistaken it only makes basic missions longer because it has RJ parts in it. No better chance for quality drops and doesn't unlock Railjack Air Support (A beam is fired in target location very similar to Vauban's Photon Strike ability )
They also stopped updating Railjack. You have gathered all mods and tested all weapons in a few hours.

[MekaDovah]

"Chase two rabbits, lose them both."

That said I don't think this is the end of Warframe by any stretch, but it is a terrible habit of theirs. I do hope this is the last time. With certain members having gone off to make Soulframe, maybe Duviri is the last of their influence and some course correcting can finally be done.

[Thundercracker]

i'd like railjack a lot more if i could guarantee i am on my own ship. i cannot count how many times i've loaded into a vastly inferior ship.

i really like necromechs, but i do not like how limited their use is.

i like archwing, but they gave up on archwing a very long time ago.

with all three of these things, DE has dropped the ball on providing things for players. we have 4 archwing types, 2 necromech types, and two railjack skins. perhaps if we had more options, people would be more willing to do the content. one of the major issues i've seen a lot of people have with the drifter, for example, is the lack of desirable cosmetics.

i like sisters/ liches. the "nemesis level up system" could use work, though.

duvari: i find it exceedingly strange they have a set of totally different mechanics for the "tutorial zone." it does teach you about normal missions, but i dont know if new players will recognize that, as they are not the main part of the area. it's also VERY strange they set things up that players will not get to for dozens of gameplay hours, like void floods.

i think vor's prize is a better tutorial, still. as an open world content island a la the three we already have, it's not bad.

[Midas]

So... what would an example be of content released for warframe that ISN'T a 'content island'?

[Synopse]

Originally posted by Midas:

So... what would an example be of content released for warframe that ISN'T a 'content island'?

Second Dream and War Within - Operator gameplay perfectly blends into the rest as an additional tool at hand.

[GoFundYourself]

Also Helminth, it is now an integral part of the base game

[Nobody]

I genuinely hate the way DE works with this game,
They always this cool idea of something to add, like railjack and liches, then release a bare bones "taste" of what that is which is ok because it's actual first version of that mode, but then i end up expecting and having crazy toughts of how insane this mode could be in later updates but then it gets abandonded in favor of developing the next pointless content island where you just get the one thing everyone is grinding for and never touch it again.

I still wished the added more to railjack because the concept is so cool and i think does a perfect job of combining all of the elements the game has while adding on to them. But there really isn't any point to play anymore.

The exact same thing is going to happen to duviri, they're going release one or two updates that a few new things, then abandon it for the next content island.

[Midas]

Originally posted by Synopse:

Originally posted by Midas:

So... what would an example be of content released for warframe that ISN'T a 'content island'?

Second Dream and War Within - Operator gameplay perfectly blends into the rest as an additional tool at hand.

That's basically it, though, isn't it? Most warframe content is some kind of side-thing/story quest, that unlocks weapons/warframes, and otherwise never needs to be done again. So if Drifter melee had been something the actual drifter got to keep outside of duviri, it suddenly wouldn't be a 'content island' anymore? What about the new incarnon weapons, and Sun & Moon? Those can be used outside of Duviri, too.

[Midas]

Originally posted by GoFundYourself:

Also Helminth, it is now an integral part of the base game

Weird, because I keep seeing people listing Deimos as a 'content island' too, despite including Helminth, the current most popular companion, new warframes, new weapons, etc.

[Synopse]

Originally posted by Midas:

Originally posted by Synopse:

Second Dream and War Within - Operator gameplay perfectly blends into the rest as an additional tool at hand.

That's basically it, though, isn't it? Most warframe content is some kind of side-thing/story quest, that unlocks weapons/warframes, and otherwise never needs to be done again. So if Drifter melee had been something the actual drifter got to keep outside of duviri, it suddenly wouldn't be a 'content island' anymore? What about the new incarnon weapons, and Sun & Moon? Those can be used outside of Duviri, too.

You ask for more examples? Everything that share the ressources with the star map is not a content island, because it shares content. Everything that doesn't share the ressources with the star map is an island because it doesn't share anything but arteficially create a closed world with respect to this ressources.

Duviri has so many stuff only aplying to Duviri itself. Even the gameplay as drifter is unique to Duviri. (Like with Kal, and I didn't like that either.) Duviri is the perfect showcase of being a content island. And I'm glad it is a content island, because I don't want to play difter melee, but Warframe. What ever Duviri tries to be, it is not Warframe but something new. Why should I play a different game to have a new weapon at hand to play the game I want to play? DE has started to add minigames in which we are NOT playing Warframe but something else, to grind stuff for playing actually Warframe. Some like the idea of having a mashup of different games, but I don't.
I hope that this helps to better understand, why me and others don't like Duviri being part of Warframe and call it a content island.

[Midas]

Originally posted by Synopse:

Originally posted by Midas:

That's basically it, though, isn't it? Most warframe content is some kind of side-thing/story quest, that unlocks weapons/warframes, and otherwise never needs to be done again. So if Drifter melee had been something the actual drifter got to keep outside of duviri, it suddenly wouldn't be a 'content island' anymore? What about the new incarnon weapons, and Sun & Moon? Those can be used outside of Duviri, too.

You ask for more examples? Everything that share the ressources with the star map is not a content island, because it shares content. Everything that doesn't share the ressources with the star map is an island because it doesn't share anything but arteficially create a closed world with respect to this ressources.

Duviri has so many stuff only aplying to Duviri itself. Even the gameplay as drifter is unique to Duviri. (Like with Kal, and I didn't like that either.) Duviri is the perfect showcase of being a content island. And I'm glad it is a content island, because I don't want to play difter melee, but Warframe. What ever Duviri tries to be, it is not Warframe but something new. Why should I play a different game to have a new weapon at hand to play the game I want to play? DE has started to add minigames in which we are NOT playing Warframe but something else, to grind stuff for playing actually Warframe. Some like the idea of having a mashup of different games, but I don't.
I hope that this helps to better understand, why me and others don't like Duviri being part of Warframe and call it a content island.

Such as...? Nearly every warframe quest uses unique resources. Nearly every update that introduced new mission types or areas included unique resources. This is MOST of Warframes updates, going back years. Even the operator stuff you mentioned; Operators use Amps, Amps come from Cetus and Fortuna, using unique resources you can't get elsewhere. A 'content island' based on your definition. Focus lenses are from Cetus too, so you can't even level up your operator without that 'content island'.