time to change the relic system

[Elettro46]

remove the luck factor it's super annoying and unfun, make it so it takes the same time on average as now but with no luck involved. it's so annoying to do 5 radshares/intshares and not getting a single part. just make me wanna close the game.

a possible solution make so it takes more than 1 game to open a relic but you can choose the part you get

[Rays of Apollo]

Originally posted by Elettro46:

rit's so annoying to do 5 radshares/intshares and not getting a single part.

But, you always get a item when the relic opens

[Ittrix]

While I'd agree in any other game, warframe is, unfortunately, free.

[ChubbNutt]

Remove RNG from a game that revolves entirely around RNG?

[Ittrix]

tbf none of the good parts of warframe revolve around RNG.
But it's also free and those things are pretty directly correlated to a money maker so.

[Nibbie]

Sell the parts you don't need, buy the parts you do. Trading is a big part of the system design, you aren't meant to get everything on your own.

[Knowsome]

it used to be worse OP, before you couldnt even enhance your relics to increase rare drops chance, it was just a single key per party, no choosing other peoples relics,making sharing kinda pointless.

pray to rng that you got what you want, or cry your way back to the orbiter.

while this system is not perfect its way better than what it used to be, this is a game about loot after all, its about grinding the heck out of it, if you don't like it, just buy platinum or wait for a platinum discount -75% off, and buy it directly from the market.

you either pay up with your money, or with your time, thats the biggest motto of this game.

[Demonite]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

While I'd agree in any other game, warframe is, unfortunately, free.

Warframe would probably be my favourite game ever if it was a pay once singleplayer game. lol

[Choconuez]

The worst part about the relic system is not the RNG, it's the matchmaking. Finding people to crack the same relic can be a pain sometimes, specially if they're old vaulted relics. Relying on external websites or discord groups its not efficient either.
This could be solved having the ability to specify conditions for creating and auto joining a squad but yeah... don't see that happening at this point.
It's only gonna get worse as time goes on and player base is reduced.

[Drago]

In the past, you used vault keys that gave everyone in the team the reward for a single player consuming their key. The endless ones were particularly useful if hunting for a reward since you only consumed that one for however long you went and additional players just made that easier to go longer or acted as additional reward holder for those trader minded players. The current system makes a lot of that more front loaded; needing to grind to grind some more and all; but the idea is that it hurts folk trying to get stuff without spending things and makes it so the old "key-shares" don't happen the same way. Now they are essentially enforced but that doesn't make them equal! Folk can go with less ranked relics, and sometimes that is even recommended but if being fair that just recreates the player side issue with less reward for more work. Its up to the player which is better, but its clear which one DE prefers.

[tv]

they could at least add fissures for missions that are actually fun, like mirror defense and void flood, and make exterminate and normal defense vanish.

[Kawalorn]

Not happening. DE already refused to make Steel Path fissures drop more reactant because 'Prime Access is their main income source right now', so they don't want to make Prime farm any easier.

Still, it only took me like, 6 hours of gameplay to get everything for free, so the RNG isn't even nearly that annoying.

[Drago]

Originally posted by tv:

they could at least add fissures for missions that are actually fun, like mirror defense and void flood, and make exterminate and normal defense vanish.

I agree; that would be reasonable but I think folk brought it up years ago during a devstream; and at least at the time, the response was that it would make it so most missions were not played again for the majority of relic openings. They wanted most players to do public to get folk with their own relics thus spending more resources and you just don't get that prioritizing player choice and interaction. That feeling could have changed since; but who can say without those questions being bounced against another devstream or two?

[MystMan]

I hated the old Void Key system. That system put all your eggs in one basket, with diluted large reward tables containing besides the prime parts also fusion cores (precursor of endo), credit cache and orokin cells. Relics spread our odds more evenly and has a smaller drop table.

And they were locked per specific mission type. So if you wanted a particular prime part, it was ALWAYS locked behind the same Void mission in the same rotation. My bane was Loki Prime System. that one dropped from a Void Survival C run. Imagine every day waiting wasting 20 minutes of your time to see if you'll get it or not. Loki Prime Access came and went and Ash Prime was released and I WAS STILL FARMING THAT PART 4 months later!

To this day I still see people hating farming regular Nidus/Harrow because their drops are behind Rotation C missions (Salvage & Defection). Now imagine doing that to craft ALL Prime stuff because they each usually had one part hidden behind a 20min similar wait wall. With Void fissures we can now try our luck in 5 minutes or less per run because we can now be selective in which mission type was can do them in.

Those who look back with rose-tinted glasses bring up getting the multiple rewards using only one Void key. Getting the keys wasn't a problem, I had hundreds of them (not exaggerating), it's the waiting for Rot B and C rewards in Void Void Void Void Void every day that made it all unbearable. "Void Fatigue" was a phrase mentioned by many.
That tile set ended up looking disgusting for me being exposed to it for so long all the time.

Going for multi-hour marathons isn't everybody's cup of tea . That was B-O-R-I-N-G.
And of course most people literally don't have that much free time.

Wisp Prime Access dropped on 27th and by the 29th I had all parts.
And no, I wasn't lucky getting everything on my first try. I just did a lot of fast relic share runs. Sure beats waiting 20min per run like in the past.

Getting the part you want after 10 radshares honestly doesn't come close to the frustration of Void Keys. You can have the worst luck opening relics, but you will burn through relics a lot faster at least and all you really need is a fellow player in your team with good luck :)

Remember that you can get relics not just by farming them in missions but also by buying relic packs from your Allied syndicates and from Teshin in relay (25max per week) and from a vendor in each of the 3 open world hubs (Suumbaat, Smokefinger and Otak respectively). All this together instantly gave me the majority of needed relics on day 1.
Resource Booster affects Void Traces gain so I hope y'all bought it from Baro when he was here this weekend.

[Zelxios]

honestly this is better than the old system, before you could run the chance of getting absolutely nothing from a derelic key

[[88th] ColPresumptuous]

Yeah nothing like the old system where you got an item rng'd per rotation, so after 30 minutes in Void Survival you might get the item you wanted pop up for rotation C... then you had to extract to get it... any other item that came up earlier on other rotations like at 5, 10 15 minutes etc was replaced by the one for the current rotation/time and if the rest of your team didnt want that item and they kept going, you couldnt extract so you simply leave the mission and loose out and waste 20+ minutes or go with the item and rotation the majority wanted... meaning you often had to form groups that would last 30+ minutes that looked for the specific item... which often failed, and PUG groups for void keys were nightmares and soloing them was often a real pain or impossible.

The current system is LIGHTYEARS better than the old void keys... I dont miss the old at all.

Everyone goes in with the right relic and refinement... 5-10 minutes latter, your out with an item, with a good chance its what you where wanting or at least something else even if just for ducats... and if the teams decent and people want to continue to open more, you can, no sweat.