Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm to play. No fun and tired.

[Delacroix]

I'm tired. I've passed 4,000 hours of warframe and with each update the game becomes more and more tedious, because you always have to farm something new. The resources cultivated for years are of no use anymore and that's not the worst part, the worst part is the poor rate of getting the new stuff. Really, it's easier to farm platinum and buy the new stuff when possible but even that became difficult for me. Since I can't leave the browser open along with the warframe without leaving the PC like a wagon over time. This started for me after the deimos update and has never stopped. So even selling things for platinum is torture. I think I'm going to stop play this game again.

Signed: A tired veteran

[_Synt3rax_]

Baconbeard lähetti viestin:

_Synt3rax_ lähetti viestin:

Thats what Warframe has become after the Chinese took over. Stuff that allready was in the game got turned around to be as annoying and time consuming as possbile to get players to buy plat instead of arming the stuff they want.

it was like that way before Tencent took over the parent company of DE! but good job using that excuse to back up your agenda..

It definitely wasnt like that before Tencent took over lol, i dont know about you but i played it just fine the whole time until they butchered this game. All the stuff that was Awesome and worked just fine got worse because they wanted to squezze every little bit of time or money out of the players. The relic systems, as an example, is just one of the many things wrong with this game now.

[TheVoidSpirit]

_Synt3rax_ lähetti viestin:

Baconbeard lähetti viestin:

it was like that way before Tencent took over the parent company of DE! but good job using that excuse to back up your agenda..

It definitely wasnt like that before Tencent took over lol, i dont know about you but i played it just fine the whole time until they butchered this game. All the stuff that was Awesome and worked just fine got worse because they wanted to squezze every little bit of time or money out of the players. The relic systems, as an example, is just one of the many things wrong with this game now.

The Relic system? To get Prime parts and Forma? That which has been like this since 2016? 4 years before Tencent "bought" DE?

[✨Saint✨]

There is an old proverb that says "There is so much water in this wine, I can barely taste the wine" , Warframe has become too "watery" for me, but it used to taste like a good old wine.

[FB_Destroyer_Rebecca]

Well it is run by an asian company and there grinding is like a must have.
Warframe will always be a grindfest cause it is p2w in the end. And with paying you can skip the grind.
Thats their monetisation modell.

[Delacroix]

✨Saint✨ lähetti viestin:

There is an old proverb that says "There is so much water in this wine, I can barely taste the wine" , Warframe has become too "watery" for me, but it used to taste like a good old wine.

:saint:

I liked this proverb, I did not know it.

[Spartanlocke92807]

ryz lähetti viestin:

i do not see any reason why someone should keep supporting them with more money.

for the new transformer game

[Alliobro2309]

Spartanlocke92807 lähetti viestin:

ryz lähetti viestin:

i do not see any reason why someone should keep supporting them with more money.

for the new transformer game

They don't work on it.

[Z3pHyr]

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

Z3pHyr, Well I gave it a name but as I expected, you can't understand and connect the dots or worse you're already being influenced by it and you don't even know it.

(I would like to know how you get prime ascess cosmetics for free in the game? I never claimed to have high morals, it's your head that thinks so. You wanted to believe that. By the way, I knew you would give one of these. I'm sorry, you're not a machine, you're just a dishonest one.)

Oh wow, now you are just ignoring the entire conversation and say i cannot understand it. No more quoting each paragraph like you did before since you are the one who start it? You cannot answer it to back up your point so now i'm the one who are the problem. How convenience of you.

Read again, do i ever said about prime access Cosmetic? i do said about prime access then i add about prime item that can be farm.

Again, how convenience of you. then i can just say the same for everything. I already clearly said my reason of why i say you look like that. I keep emphasizing to just talk about warframe and DE as context but you keep using or add the world or larger view to make your point.

Now, you suddenly knew i would said all of that? how convenience. I guess i can use this too later whenever i want to avoid answering something that i can't. Oh yeah, still waiting ONE proof from you about what Tencent or that government will or did to Warframe or DE since your point before implying that.

Most of your point before i already give my counter argument but now you just decide to ignore it entirely. I already back up my point one by one and explaining each of it. Any people who still read this discussion can look back to see if they want. I never ever use world or larger view except when you are the one who start it.

So, which one of us being dishonest here?

[Z3pHyr]

Now i want to add more clear point so at least you or everyone who read here understand why i said you seem like someone who want to stand on moral high ground and like to talk about larger or world view instead of just Warframe and DE. i will quote some of our conversation.

Starting at pages 4 i was asking SOMEONE ELSE why feeling tired for playing game is special like any others who still can enjoy the game, It's just a feeling and mindset which make it subjective. so, its not special at all. you reply with

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

The point is that maybe the person hasn't arrived at this yet. He may very well be in the passionate phase and not see the problems around him, but they are there. One hour they will knock on your door to say hello.

And there are also people who can't empathize (although they love to tell everyone that they do but in practice it's a very different story). And they love to try to belittle others to make themselves feel better.

Still in the same pages, another comment i said. Then it simple. If we can just move on and do something else or like it never happens. You reply with

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

That is, people are entering a state of anesthetized like you. If you see something you don't like, move on. Until you get to the point where there's nothing left, because if everyone moves on and doesn't fight for what they think is right or correct, in the end there will be nothing left to fight for. This is something that is becoming commonplace not only in the world of video games but in real life as well. It's sad to see this kind of self destructive thinking.

I also add when grinding if i cannot get it now, i can just do it later, If i feel tired then i just stop. Time-gating? i can just wait for it. You reply with

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

You'll wait forever then. Because nothing is going to fall from the sky if you get into an I won't do it.

Like what? isn't we are talking about grinding and not rushing crafting in foundry here.

You also add about the "stop playing" which you reply with

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

And here comes the comment again, stop playing. You have at least an idea that for a game company with online services it is extremely important that people keep playing. If people really start doing what you talk so much about, companies will go bankrupt. In the end it looks like you are trying to sabotage them rather than help them.

You also add about the "why would i rush" statement from me with

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

And just to add, when you say "why would I rush?" to understand that people have to play in your time and not in their own time. I particularly hate this kind of thinking. Each has its own time.

Later at pages 5, i said isn't people play game when they have free time unless it's their jobs like streaming or e-sport player? you reply at pages 6

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

I find it completely surreal that you want people to play like you. Everyone plays as they see fit. This rush talk is the most clueless to me. It's typical of casual gamers who want to be equal to hardcores but without effort.

I never said anything about they should play like i do, i was asking isn't people play game when they are free. If they don't have free time for gaming and have other important stuff. why would they play it? This is also the first part you start calling name and term.

At the same page, i was replying to SOMEONE ELSE with Another example of stereotype hate without facts. If it's related to "Tencent" then it must be bad. What facts? a simple google search will show it about DE and Tencent. Then you reply with

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

Tencent is a Chinese company, the Chinese government: how can I say without being censored? Let's say they like to be in the know and have somewhat exotic ideals, to say the least.

All careful about this, it's still little.

At the same page, i said about DE do give player to rush crafting but we are not forced to do it. Don't blame the whole system if you cannot control your own desire when someone else can and you make it as the problem. My point there, it's our own choice. Your reply

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

However, it is not my choice DE to implement poorly designed game designs to try to trick players into spending platinum. This point is what you ignore. Yes, nobody needs to do it but it's not because they don't need it that the problem doesn't exist. The proof for this is if we could rush item builds for example with in-game money. Most, if not ALL, would. So the real intention behind the scenes is clear. That some don't see or don't want to see or look to know.

i already acknowledged DE about their game designs . later i even explain about it.

At same page, you also avoid trying to answer my question about Tencent and that government for something you are one who bringing it up first. Your reply

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

As for Tencent, I'm not going to fall into that game of going into more detail or bringing it up for discussion because the result is just one. BAN! So those who don't want trouble, I recommend ignoring this matter from Tencent. Unless you want to put your accounts at risk, that's up to you

Later, i acknowledge that it's Developer and Player fault. Dev because they want money and player because they cannot control their desire and fall by it. Your reply

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

And isn't it our choice to also be able to point out what we think is wrong? Yes, the players are also wrong. Mostly for being quiet and letting it roll freely. That's why the video game industry today has turned into pure greed.

It's called game industry not charity or volunteer industry. Obviously they want to make money and it's business. Calling a business as greed is just weird since if there is no profits or money it's not business.

Again i ask for proof for your Tencent and government. Your reply

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

Even if you present evidence, there will always be someone to say things like: "Look at the conspiracy theory..." And worse, a moderator will come to ban, delete or lock. So it's no use, it's just getting a headache.

At the same page, i said I cannot speak for others but i just someone who enjoy playing warframe and i can confidently say i know how to grind and leveling as efficient as you or at least any veteran player out there because you said hardcore player seek to learn to play more efficiently and casual not. Your reply

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

I just describe a situation between 2 different types of players and the guy feels offended to the point of saying he's better than the others, ok.

Here i want to say that i just play whenever i enjoy it but still i can do the same as your call hardcore.

Same page, i start questioning you seem like want to stand on moral high ground because you like to add larger view and not stay in context. Your reply

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

Just because I see something wrong, I decide to talk about... I'm the guy who wants to be in the "moral high ground". I just wouldn't want to see a game that I've followed for years, that started bad and took a turn to good, go back to being bad again.

Same page, i reply to your previous comment about saying prime access and platinum packages are not moderate business practice by DE with "Both thing are not something you are forced to buy since you still can play the game content and you still can get all the prime variation and platinum for free . Hardcore player too should not care about the prices since they can get the item in-game for free efficiently" Your reply

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

Either you haven't read it or you have a poor memory or you ignore what is convenient for you. But I said from the beginning that platinum farm is the most efficient way. So what's the point of talking about it now? And again you come up with that "it's not forced", what are you? A machine perhaps that has no will or desires?

Now you are calling name again.

Same page, i still trying to ask for evidence about Tencent and that government did or will to DE or Warframe. Your reply

Delacroix lähetti viestin:

Since you are having so much difficulty in your searches, here's a tip: Antonio Gramsci.

A philosopher name lol.

And now here you are with latest comment that you decide to ignore everything and said it just because i cannot understand it.

[Keira Lunar]

honestly ever since around the 2020s i see every Triple A game thats a live service and paid or F2P Beyond Greedy what used to be a reasonable 60$ USD and a few dlc expansions that add to the game have changed into Live service P2W, pay to bypass or Pay to cosmetic compleat with a gacha , lootboxes or Battle pass and with EXTREAMLY SOUL CRUSHING GRINDS just making you want to pay to get it over with and with such pointless DLC that adds nothing to the game and the base Price is just going up now at 70$ USD for me in australia now over 100$ AUD and thats just for the base game thats not including the Digital delux edditions

now as for Tencent far as i know they are greedy and trying to take over so many smaller game companies like DE and adding to their Monopoly and you have to have seen it this game deffently slowly changed ever since Tencent took over we used to do relic craking open to get prime compoments to either make said prime frame , weapon or to trade for plat now we have the Prime Shop where you can buy directly with cash to get bundles of Prime Frames and Weapons at a premium cost

and like with Warframe i have become burned out by so many other games of late
overwatch2
mario Kart Tour
Genshin Impact

i honestly have more fun going against corpret and playing indi games or emulating older systems

yes i understand the whole phase if you don't like it then leave but thats NOT going to solve the problem the minor majority of us that are feeling frustrated with how a game or service is being treated we should fight back not just give up and leave and speaking out about it is one way we do that

its just sad those that obey and simp to the greed of these corporations is just so blind to it these days

(( sorry i just wanted to get that off my chest ))

[Z3pHyr]

Keira Lunar lähetti viestin:

now as for Tencent far as i know they are greedy and trying to take over so many smaller game companies like DE and adding to their Monopoly and you have to have seen it this game deffently slowly changed ever since Tencent took over we used to do relic craking open to get prime compoments to either make said prime frame , weapon or to trade for plat now we have the Prime Shop where you can buy directly with cash to get bundles of Prime Frames and Weapons at a premium cost

yes i understand the whole phase if you don't like it then leave but thats NOT going to solve the problem the minor majority of us that are feeling frustrated with how a game or service is being treated we should fight back not just give up and leave and speaking out about it is one way we do that

its just sad those that obey and simp to the greed of these corporations is just so blind to it these days

They add new option to buy it directly for a specific time but we still can and have the old option like before. You said "we used to do" like saying we no longer can do it. It's still the same. People can do relic cracking and trade. Just check statistic at warframe.market how many trade still going on even with all that option.

You can say they did it because of Tencent since the first prime vault was on 2015 but i can say the same, that DE themselves decide it to give new or any player to get the old prime access they miss directly if they want and at the same making money. It's not just Tencent. Any online game especially MMO is doing the same business model. My point, it's not just because Tencent is the problem. All company just want to make profits.

You don't like DE add that? is it really bad from your perspective? personally not since in the end we still have that option to do or not. Then i can say minor majority of us also feeling ok with how a game or service is being treated and that is why we speak out to people that saying it's not.

Who are the one obeying and simp the corporation? i cannot speak for others but for me in context of warframe, They sell stuff or make option where you can spend money and i just decide to not do it. I understand what they do is business and fortunately we still have an option for it and other stuff still stay the same.

[Jordan_Peterson]

The only gamers that defend this game as f2p are either the pink glasses fanboys or no life kids who can play 24/7.
Every veteran knows that this is a grindfest and that it has become more of one sonce Tencent has their hands in.

[TheVoidSpirit]

🎓DI They ruined Baldurs Gate lähetti viestin:

The only gamers that defend this game as f2p are either the pink glasses fanboys or no life kids who can play 24/7.
Every veteran knows that this is a grindfest and that it has become more of one sonce Tencent has their hands in.

How to check if a game is F2P: Can you play the full game without paying? If yes, then it is F2P, no matter how grindy it is, or how much you can theoretically spend in a cash shop.

[Jordan_Peterson]

TheVoidSpirit lähetti viestin:

🎓DI They ruined Baldurs Gate lähetti viestin:

The only gamers that defend this game as f2p are either the pink glasses fanboys or no life kids who can play 24/7.
Every veteran knows that this is a grindfest and that it has become more of one sonce Tencent has their hands in.

How to check if a game is F2P: Can you play the full game without paying? If yes, then it is F2P, no matter how grindy it is, or how much you can theoretically spend in a cash shop.

if that's your believe then I feel sorry for you.

[CCore]

You've got 4000 hours on the game. I'm at 3.5k steam hours, with about 2k hours actual mission time, the rest being AFK, sat in trade chat back in the day, decorating my ship, modding etc etc.

You're burnt out. That's understandable after playing a game for that long. I too don't play warframe as frequently anymore. That happens with any game. Warframe has always been a game about farming, and has always been grindy. People just didn't see it years ago, back when they were new to the game and things were fresh to them.

The game still has one of the better F2P models out there. I mean, have you seen OW2's F2P model? It's horrendous.