Farm, Farm, Farm, Farm to play. No fun and tired.

[Delacroix]

I'm tired. I've passed 4,000 hours of warframe and with each update the game becomes more and more tedious, because you always have to farm something new. The resources cultivated for years are of no use anymore and that's not the worst part, the worst part is the poor rate of getting the new stuff. Really, it's easier to farm platinum and buy the new stuff when possible but even that became difficult for me. Since I can't leave the browser open along with the warframe without leaving the PC like a wagon over time. This started for me after the deimos update and has never stopped. So even selling things for platinum is torture. I think I'm going to stop play this game again.

Signed: A tired veteran

[Distant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥]

Messaggio originale di Delacroix:

Like this one for example.

I am approaching 2500 hours in the game. I do not force myself to grind what I don't want to grind like a slave. When I get bored I take a break, I do not continue playing warframe until I amass +4k hours. I do not write on the forums whenever I get bored of the grind/whatever. I understand this is a live service game and it needs constant content to keep players.

Based on your post:

because you always have to farm something new

It sounds like you'd want everything accessible to you right away.
Bet you are also the same kind of people who say the game has no content when they rushed through everything that was worked on by DE for half a year in the first week. This grind is here precisely so you cannot rush through content like that and then cry that there is no content. This Voruna update is a filler inbetween major content updates, just like Veilbreaker was. New ways to grind are introduced to keep the players busy while the devs work on the bigger stuff.

[Delacroix]

Messaggio originale di Goatman:

Messaggio originale di Delacroix:

Like this one for example.

I am approaching 2500 hours in the game. I do not force myself to grind what I don't want to grind like a slave. When I get bored I take a break, I do not continue playing warframe until I amass +4k hours. I do not write on the forums whenever I get bored of the grind/whatever. I understand this is a live service game and it needs constant content to keep players.

Based on your post:

because you always have to farm something new

It sounds like you'd want everything accessible to you right away.
Bet you are also the same kind of people who say the game has no content when they rushed through everything that was worked on by DE for half a year in the first week. This grind is here precisely so you cannot rush through content like that and then cry that there is no content. This Voruna update is a filler inbetween major content updates, just like Veilbreaker was. New ways to grind are introduced to keep the players busy while the devs work on the bigger stuff.

And you just made it very clear what I said. It's even clearer that you don't understand the real reason. And worse, you make assumptions based on your guesses and not on my words. As I said, even if the real reason is rubbed in some people's faces, they can't see it.

Note: The new war took years of development and delivered very little content/story. And not even because of that did I create a post talking about their imcopentance. It proves that what you say is only based on your assumptions and not what I actually say.

[Alliobro2309]

Why make the post if all you want to hear are people agreeing with you? This is a forum made for discussion.

[Delacroix]

Messaggio originale di Alliobro2309sups.gg:

Why make the post if all you want to hear are people agreeing with you? This is a forum made for discussion.

And how are we going to argue if I speak in A and you understand that it is B. And this happens precisely because there are people who want it to be B, completely ignoring that it is A.

Translating for laymen. I already agreed that the problem is not the farm but how DE has done it. And yet there are people who ignore this fact and keep saying that the problem is that I've played too much, when this is not the real problem. Because if it really was, I would have stopped playing a long time ago, as I did with MOBAS and MMOs.

Just wait for more people to show up to prove my point. And I say more, this happens not only because some do not understand but also because there are people who read only the title and are already drawing their own conclusions without analyzing all the facts. Now answer me honestly, how will you be able to argue with a person like that?

[Domstrae]

I'm sitting on 7k hours for this game. I definitely go through periods where I'm just done with this game. As far as the grind goes, its a matter of perspective. Being annoyed by how much grind is in warframe is like being annoyed by all the stacking you have to do in tetris. In this end this is not a challenging game so its hard to feel rewarded by being "good" at it. Take a break, it'll all still be here if you choose to return.

[Keira Lunar]

to toss in my 50cents in into this i used to play warframe daily but ever since the agressive nerfs and the excessive grind which really hurts me who plays the game pure alone i felt major burn out now all i do is log in grab the daily tribute and log out i just see no reason to play if what i like to play is just going to get nerfed into oblivion

[Qlone]

I used to be a Tenno like you, then i took an Harrow in the Nyx... The moment I stopped desperately trying to get something I wanted to get, I started enjoying the game again. Anxiety kills all passion, so I personally embraced the idea of ​​playing for entertainment, doing the in-game things I like to do, only occasionally going for that elusive drop, never more than twice a session. I was stuck for a long time trying to get one of the blessed Necramech parts and finally via trade I got it and stopped despairing. The game shines in the sense of giving you what you are not looking for and that someone else usually needs, so exchanging items between friends is not a bad idea to avoid stress. Paraphrasing something I heard from a Warframe player, the game is not pay to win, it is pay to fast... And with a little patience everything comes, fellow Tenno. And finally, as some well-intentioned comments up there wisely indicate, taking a break is not bad... I came back after a year and maybe at some point I will take a long and healthy vacation from being glued to the pc. Regards!

[Delacroix]

Messaggio originale di Keira Lunar:

to toss in my 50cents in into this i used to play warframe daily but ever since the agressive nerfs and the excessive grind which really hurts me who plays the game pure alone i felt major burn out now all i do is log in grab the daily tribute and log out i just see no reason to play if what i like to play is just going to get nerfed into oblivion

The unnecessary nerf on some weapons, such as range and reduced ammo, really made some farms worse. This is another thing that also discouraged me a lot in the game. DE doesn't like people to have fun.

Messaggio originale di Qlone:

I used to be a Tenno like you, then i took an Harrow in the Nyx... The moment I stopped desperately trying to get something I wanted to get, I started enjoying the game again. Anxiety kills all passion, so I personally embraced the idea of ​​playing for entertainment, doing the in-game things I like to do, only occasionally going for that elusive drop, never more than twice a session. I was stuck for a long time trying to get one of the blessed Necramech parts and finally via trade I got it and stopped despairing. The game shines in the sense of giving you what you are not looking for and that someone else usually needs, so exchanging items between friends is not a bad idea to avoid stress. Paraphrasing something I heard from a Warframe player, the game is not pay to win, it is pay to fast... And with a little patience everything comes, fellow Tenno. And finally, as some well-intentioned comments up there wisely indicate, taking a break is not bad... I came back after a year and maybe at some point I will take a long and healthy vacation from being glued to the pc. Regards!

I have to agree with you, it's the law of every rpg. You always drop what you don't want. It even looks like a curse

[Fake]

Because of the AoE nerf, I find myself using the Bramma more than pre nerf.

Ammo isn't a problem
It clears rooms just fine

Not sure why everyone acted as though the weapon is unusable.

[Keira Lunar]

Messaggio originale di Delacroix:

Messaggio originale di Keira Lunar:

to toss in my 50cents in into this i used to play warframe daily but ever since the agressive nerfs and the excessive grind which really hurts me who plays the game pure alone i felt major burn out now all i do is log in grab the daily tribute and log out i just see no reason to play if what i like to play is just going to get nerfed into oblivion

The unnecessary nerf on some weapons, such as range and reduced ammo, really made some farms worse. This is another thing that also discouraged me a lot in the game. DE doesn't like people to have fun.

yes i agree with that and i did the most grindy grinds in the game when i was active

Kuva Zar
ALL OF THE FOCUS CLASSES to 100%
and so many Prime frames one i perticularly liked since i was a solo player was Wukong prime
i also finished the Earth and Fortuna and Demos open world to 100%
maxed out both the Rail Jack AND Necromech
you can say im mostly a compleationist its just they way how i played older games back on the ps1 and ps2
so far im above MR20

and yes once the AOE Nerf the change to the focus classes which felt like a somewhat nerf
and the end of Wukong solo runs cause now the spirit clone is no better then a Drunk Storm trooper wasting ammo and can't hit the broad side of a barn and the Eximus Rework ( God i hated how hard it was to kill those units ) this all built up to some really bad burn out and i just felt like whats the point DE is just going to Nerf whats fun for what Corpret Tencent Greed ? ? ?

[ShatteredPumpkin]

then just quit or something lol and stop complaining? nobody is forcing you to play the game XD

[Z3pHyr]

Messaggio originale di Snowyamur9889:

People don't do this because it's an obligation. They vent their frustrations about a game on a forum or in a social space to simply let out their anger (hopefully in a civil manner), or to raise public awareness on an issue they are having with the game. And people are welcome to share the same sentiments they have, oppose them, or add something more constructive to the discussion.

Saying that no one cares about an issue still known by many in this community is being intellectually dishonest, because if people are still bringing it up, they care. It's even more intellectually dishonest to say getting tired of a game is nothing special when there are legitimate reasons why some games are tiring to play, especially this game where grinding is a chore.

i can agree on the first paragraph but on the second paragraph not really, the correct term i will use is some cares and some not, Not sure about others but for me its quite simple, if i feel tired then i should just stop and i will continue later if i feel like doing it. You should feel fun and want it more when playing games, If you feel otherwise then you are just playing games with different kind of mindset. Something like competitive or having certain goals. If you feel tired doing it, then it's on you.

Why do you think getting tired of a game is special? is there intellectual honesty we can talk about it? Obviously there is a reason for everything. So, what it make so special if you are tired compare to someone who are still not tired doing the same thing? isnt that just because it something base on feel and mindset which is subjective to each person. So, IMO it's nothing special.

"Grinding is a chore". One of the core gameplay of warframe itself is grinding your way up. If you feel grinding is chore, then people should not play it in the first place since you know it will not be fun. Then it's on you for keep doing it and you feel something about it.

[Delacroix]

Messaggio originale di Fake:

Because of the AoE nerf, I find myself using the Bramma more than pre nerf.

Ammo isn't a problem
It clears rooms just fine

Not sure why everyone acted as though the weapon is unusable.

Because for many it is. Reducing range, decreased AoE fallout damage. And ammo reduction, reduced the effectiveness of many grenade launcher weapons like penta, zar and for me including bramma (I loved it). Even with ammo mods I always find myself out of ammo or worse having to worry about it, judging this with the excessive farming aspect, it made the game a lot worse.

Messaggio originale di Keira Lunar:

yes i agree with that and i did the most grindy grinds in the game when i was active

Kuva Zar
ALL OF THE FOCUS CLASSES to 100%
and so many Prime frames one i perticularly liked since i was a solo player was Wukong prime
i also finished the Earth and Fortuna and Demos open world to 100%
maxed out both the Rail Jack AND Necromech
you can say im mostly a compleationist its just they way how i played older games back on the ps1 and ps2
so far im above MR20

and yes once the AOE Nerf the change to the focus classes which felt like a somewhat nerf
and the end of Wukong solo runs cause now the spirit clone is no better then a Drunk Storm trooper wasting ammo and can't hit the broad side of a barn and the Eximus Rework ( God i hated how hard it was to kill those units ) this all built up to some really bad burn out and i just felt like whats the point DE is just going to Nerf whats fun for what Corpret Tencent Greed ? ? ?

I completed almost all of the content before the zariman. All that was missing was the ergo glast weapons (which is a terrible farm and I skipped this one) and leveling the necramech bone.

I just try to complete things in some games that can make me go beyond just thinking it's cool. (I arrived at MR - legendario 1 and I'm already a few updates still on it)

This eximus rework was really bad. It was something that needed but the way it was done. It just made the whole farm worse and more painful.

[Delacroix]

Messaggio originale di Snowyamur9889:

Personally, my biggest gripe with this game is not so much the grind itself, but the fact that the RNG for some of the stuff you grind for is awful. When coupled with how some mission modes are designed to hand out rewards (ex.: rotations in Survival and Defense), this game eats up a large chunk of your time to get nothing you actually want in return. It's essentially a time sink.

I can empathize with the feeling of the grind being tedious, because it reallyl is the more you play and get into this game. And I think it's important to not just say the game is a grindfest, but explain why it is from experience, because this is an issue with the game's core design of how the player earns resources to use.

I don't think I need to say why time-gating item crafting in the Foundry is poor design for a game like this, but this makes the grind even worse. Let players immediately receive and use what they grinded resources to craft - making them wait is unnecessary and is a psychological way to force players to buy Platinum to skip the waiting time.

This is my point, I may not have expressed myself very well at the beginning of the topic but for those who read it. You will see that this is quite clear.

The problem is how the farm has been done. If I didn't like farming, I wouldn't love rpgs and I wouldn't have played terraria, star bound, among other sandboxes.

Messaggio originale di Snowyamur9889:

Messaggio originale di AnirvPL 🚀:

I still wonder why in the hell every person that`s tired with any game - Warframe in that case - feels obliged to announce it in the forum. Noone cares, people get tired of everything, getting tired of a game is nothing special.

People don't do this because it's an obligation. They vent their frustrations about a game on a forum or in a social space to simply let out their anger (hopefully in a civil manner), or to raise public awareness on an issue they are having with the game. And people are welcome to share the same sentiments they have, oppose them, or add something more constructive to the discussion.

Saying that no one cares about an issue still known by many in this community is being intellectually dishonest, because if people are still bringing it up, they care. It's even more intellectually dishonest to say getting tired of a game is nothing special when there are legitimate reasons why some games are tiring to play, especially this game where grinding is a chore.

Thanks for that answer to that person. Seeing a response like that gives me some hope in humanity again and that not all is lost or wasted.

[Delacroix]

Messaggio originale di Delacroix:

Messaggio originale di Alliobro2309sups.gg:

Why make the post if all you want to hear are people agreeing with you? This is a forum made for discussion.

Just wait for more people to show up to prove my point. And I say more, this happens not only because some do not understand but also because there are people who read only the title and are already drawing their own conclusions without analyzing all the facts. Now answer me honestly, how will you be able to argue with a person like that?

Messaggio originale di ShatteredPumpkin:

then just quit or something lol and stop complaining? nobody is forcing you to play the game XD

Good for you now Alliobro2309sups.gg, I said it would happen and see, it did and more will happen.

Messaggio originale di Z3pHyr:

Why do you think getting tired of a game is special? is there intellectual honesty we can talk about it? Obviously there is a reason for everything. So, what it make so special if you are tired compare to someone who are still not tired doing the same thing? isnt that just because it something base on feel and mindset which is subjective to each person. So, IMO it's nothing special.

"Grinding is a chore". One of the core gameplay of warframe itself is grinding your way up. If you feel grinding is chore, then people should not play it in the first place since you know it will not be fun. Then it's on you for keep doing it and you feel something about it.

It's not what makes it special. The point is that maybe the person hasn't arrived at this yet. He may very well be in the passionate phase and not see the problems around him, but they are there. One hour they will knock on your door to say hello.

And there are also people who can't empathize (although they love to tell everyone that they do but in practice it's a very different story). And they love to try to belittle others to make themselves feel better.

Because people who really don't care, don't take the trouble posting comments on forums.

I may have expressed myself badly at the beginning of the topic but still some people understood the important point.

When DE nerfed the AoE weapons, the warframe had a significant drop and even got negative in steam but the damage control was soon agile (to say the least). And a few streams later they dropped or put the idea of messing with the Primed Sure Footed mod on hold. Which is something that could very well destroy the game depending on the nerf.