Smeeta has gone too far

[Umbreon™]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=732687690
I decided to stealth a syndicate mission in the void with Ivara just for some fun, forgot to swap to Carrier Prime and instead brought my Smeeta.
Finished the mission just to see on my results screen all of these Argon Crystals.

This is just horrible, I can't stand getting all of these rare resources JUST for bringing my cat around. This needs a big nerf. This is insane.

You might say "just remove Charm lol", but what if I want the other buffs? The inconsistent red crits, the instant reload, the 2-minute pickup booster, all of which are hard to get exactly when you need them? I don't want to have to stockpile more than 40 argon crystals or 80 Neural Sensors just to have my cat with me.

[BlazeRomulus]

It's hard to get a kavat if you plan on not spending plat at all, farming that DNA can take you days, maybe weeks if you are really unlucky.

[Umbreon™]

Messaggio originale di Blaze:

It's hard to get a kavat if you plan on not spending plat at all, farming that DNA can take you days, maybe weeks if you are really unlucky.

1 kavat DNA is 5 plat. And farming for items to sell could easily net you a good few DNA IF you want to skip grinding part of them.
And yes, it will take days, but not weeks. I farmed for the DNA when the drop chance hadn't been buffed yet, and I still managed to gather the DNA for the incubator blueprint within 2-3 days when I didn't even focus mainly on farming them, then actually farmed for the rest of the DNA to incubate the kavat, which took 2 days with a lot of long breaks.
Now compare that to how the drop chance got bumped. I took pauses and got my kavat in less than 5 days (I still rushed Incubation, it's a measly 15 plat to do so and I was desperate for that).

It still isn't too hard to farm for. It's not like trying to farm oxium for Vauban Prime, which needs a really good squad to farm efficiently, whereas kavat DNA only needs one person to slow/stop the kavat's movement.

[Dr. Atrocious]

A perfect example of when masochists can be a public nuisance.

[BeefKrieger]

yep... DE must nerf this hard..

[Guvna]

To be honest im fine with Charm.Veterans have spent so much boring time farming neural sensors and neurodes, its good new players wont have to.With the new map this helps new players a lot and cuts down the grindwall they encounter.

New players do yourself a favour and get a smeeta kavat asap.Then farm neural sensors, neurodes, and orikin cells until you have a couple hundred of each, just incase they do nerf it.This will save you so many hours.

[BlazeRomulus]

@Umbreon except the drop chances didn't get bumped as you would think, "just" doubled, so from the miserable 5% drop chance to the very "generous" 10%.

I'm getting tired of people getting pissy over getting things nerfed for no real reason other than "it's too beneficial". It's not like an extra resource wins you the game.

[Zhaeph]

Nerf Smeeta? Charm is activated like crazy? Hmm... and how is that my Smeeta activates the Charm from 10min to 10 min always with the same red crit hit ? How is that huh? Idk why people think that if their cat cast that proc often then all cats cast it the same way...and no I don't think Smeeta needs a nerf.

[BeefKrieger]

Messaggio originale di Zhaeph:

Nerf Smeeta? Charm is activated like crazy? Hmm... and how is that my Smeeta activates the Charm from 10min to 10 min always with the same red crit hit ? How is that huh? Idk why people think that if their cat cast that proc often then all cats cast it the same way...and no I don't think Smeeta needs a nerf.

IT NEEDS LOOK AT DAT ARGON LMAO

[fragball]

Messaggio originale di Umbreon™:

Messaggio originale di Fragball:

you really keep on riding this one horse until it dies, do you?
well, then TALK about numbers and their sources too, please. what are DE's possible losses through this lil' kitty? what was their profit from selling boosters before, what are their prognosis for this quater (since the cats landed)? how much can they exspect to earn form selling the cat (or stuff for it incl. deco-items)?.... do i really need to get into every possible detail here (as if could, cuz i don't work there - and so don't you). you, only think it might hurt their sales - but they actually knows better if it could (for they have the real numbers to calculate it - not we).
tl:dr: just let DE do their job, or apply for a job there if you think you are smarter than them (maybe you are, who knows). but if you don't like the function of any part of the game, go to the official forum and post it there in the most fitting rubric - do not start a meaningless discussion here about things you don't have facts about.

With how agressive your entire post is, I don't think it'll be worth the time explaining how Kavats turning resource boosters partially obsolete (which means they won't be buying them for plat), which at the same time means farming becomes extremely easy, which in the end leads to users getting everything for free instead of possibly just using real money to skip farming.

Now, if you can't see where this goes...

i can see where it goes.
if you can't stomach an aggressive apoache to your point of view, then why you are you even begin to contemplate it? all i ask of you are fact, that you did not serve - and still don't do. you just try to ignore my question. thats fine with me, for neither i care about you nor the matter at hand here. i only gave you a chance to put some real insight into your claim instead of throwing random ideas without any base value to them. well, you loss - and mine too, for i thought you actually were a person who can discuss something facts and not personal feelings - thats what i meant by "riding a horse to dead"... oh well, i guess i exspect to much from people.

[Anxious_Bridge]

Do you realize how HARD it is to get a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cat?

[Umbreon™]

Messaggio originale di Blaze:

@Umbreon except the drop chances didn't get bumped as you would think, "just" doubled, so from the miserable 5% drop chance to the very "generous" 10%.

I'm getting tired of people getting pissy over getting things nerfed for no real reason other than "it's too beneficial". It's not like an extra resource wins you the game.

If you actually put some effort to scan every kavat with one person slowing or stopping the kavats, you'd get all DNA in only a few runs. I got all of my DNA for my first kavat without a big amount of continous runs (like only 2-3 in a row, then going to do something else before trying again) in a matter of 2 days. This was also when the drop rate hadn't been buffed yet too, until the last day I needed to farm them.

And it's not an "extra resource", it's all rare resources handed to you effortlessly.

Messaggio originale di Anxious_Bridge:

Do you realize how HARD it is to get a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cat?

I didn't actively farm for my first kavat, and infact I had to gather the 10 dna a total of 3 times because I also wanted to make a kavat/kubrow abomination while the glitch was still in place.
Only when I farmed for those abominations it took a single day of active farming, where I played less than 6 hours.

So it only takes time. It's much easier to farm than oxium which needs a proper squad with a good Hydroid, nekros and people with cutting weapons, and oxium is used by several thousands in blueprints for too much things.

Now if you meant the Alloy plate cost, yeah, but it's something a player with more than one month around the game would have by now.

Messaggio originale di Fragball:

Messaggio originale di Umbreon™:

i can see where it goes.
if you can't stomach an aggressive apoache to your point of view, then why you are you even begin to contemplate it? all i ask of you are fact, that you did not serve - and still don't do. you just try to ignore my question. thats fine with me, for neither i care about you nor the matter at hand here. i only gave you a chance to put some real insight into your claim instead of throwing random ideas without any base value to them. well, you loss - and mine too, for i thought you actually were a person who can discuss something facts and not personal feelings - thats what i meant by "riding a horse to dead"... oh well, i guess i exspect to much from people.

You clearly missed my entire point. Acting like the tough guy doesn't get you anywhere, either.

[BlazeRomulus]

Messaggio originale di Umbreon™:

Messaggio originale di Blaze:

@Umbreon except the drop chances didn't get bumped as you would think, "just" doubled, so from the miserable 5% drop chance to the very "generous" 10%.

I'm getting tired of people getting pissy over getting things nerfed for no real reason other than "it's too beneficial". It's not like an extra resource wins you the game.

If you actually put some effort to scan every kavat with one person slowing or stopping the kavats, you'd get all DNA in only a few runs. I got all of my DNA for my first kavat without a big amount of continous runs (like only 2-3 in a row, then going to do something else before trying again) in a matter of 2 days. This was also when the drop rate hadn't been buffed yet too, until the last day I needed to farm them.

And it's not an "extra resource", it's all rare resources handed to you effortlessly.

This, i simply don't believe. Especially pre-buff i spent quite a few days and only ever got one or two, quite a few away from 20 :D. (incubator + kavat)

[Umbreon™]

Messaggio originale di Blaze:

Messaggio originale di Umbreon™:

If you actually put some effort to scan every kavat with one person slowing or stopping the kavats, you'd get all DNA in only a few runs. I got all of my DNA for my first kavat without a big amount of continous runs (like only 2-3 in a row, then going to do something else before trying again) in a matter of 2 days. This was also when the drop rate hadn't been buffed yet too, until the last day I needed to farm them.

And it's not an "extra resource", it's all rare resources handed to you effortlessly.

This, i simply don't believe. Especially pre-buff i spent quite a few days and only ever got one or two, quite a few away from 20 :D. (incubator + kavat)

Then you probably didn't scan them all nor had someone to slow/stop them.

[Zhaeph]

Messaggio originale di BeefKrieger:

Messaggio originale di Zhaeph:

Nerf Smeeta? Charm is activated like crazy? Hmm... and how is that my Smeeta activates the Charm from 10min to 10 min always with the same red crit hit ? How is that huh? Idk why people think that if their cat cast that proc often then all cats cast it the same way...and no I don't think Smeeta needs a nerf.

IT NEEDS LOOK AT DAT ARGON LMAO

Oh my oh my,that argon.... nope,it doesn't need to be nerfed.If he got argon he whined about not doing anything with it... i need argon and all the resources to lvl up......that means making weapons frames and sentinels.I don't have enough materials for that so this cat helps a lot... but only when it gives that charm with double drop not the red one or smth else....

[Spook]

I don't really understand the complaint here. I'd agree that they probably give an excessive amount of resources, but I'd disagree that this really has... any meaningful impact on the game. Oh no, you might now have a stockpile of X resource that you could've just blitzed through a mission and killed a boss to get the couple you needed of it. I can see why DE would dislike removing one of the minor grinds, but I genuinely can't wrap my head around how it could be harmful to players.

If it started spawning out nitains, THAT would be a major subversion of a system. But as far as droppable "rare" resources go, I don't think any of them really even compare to how much oxium or cryotic you'd need to grind for some of the newer items.

I'd agree that they may as well reduce it, if only because it's straight up excessive. It could probably be heavily reduced and still mean never worrying about the resources again. But I don't think that's really harmful.