whats your favourite frame before its nerf/rework?

[Dr. Pea Tea]

i took a long break came back and got myself a saryn prime, and its been a while since i touched saryn as i never played her after her rework/nerf. so it got me thinking about all the frames that were OP as hell back when i started.
for me my favourite frame was probably mesa, before her rework probably because there was a bug where i could just press 4 and shift + tab to open the steam overlay and i wouldnt even need to hold down the mouse button. leave come back 3 mins later and finish 3-4 waves of T4D.
my second favourite was the mag before her greedy pull nerf where u could pull the whole map threw walls and pulled items for your team, she was essentially in every single T4D/S mission, and trinity wasnt even nessasary for infinite energy
lastley saryn before her ult nerf/rework where for some reason damage was strength/time where all the damage would evenly spread for the duration of your 4 and if u could lower ur duration to its absolute minimum and maximise your power strength it would do something liek 150k damage to all enemies depending on your range in 0.5 secs and u could just spam it if u had a trin or mag/greedy pull
so whos your favourite before rework/nerf

EDIT: I understand that DE needs to rework/nerf for balance issues and making the game harder. ect. im not bashing DE im just missing out on some of the old cheese

[KuroVersal]

Excalibur.

I never felt like there was a reason to use any other frame than it before unreasonable nerf. Now I just use other warframes more often since it is too much bother doing some missions with Excal since exalted blade damage got nerfed to the ground compared to what it used to be.

[Sceles]

Początkowo opublikowane przez GODKING:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Marshall Lee:

Saryn's rework was a buff, not a nerf.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Criticalfire:

^This. I mean have you played some of the frames after the rework? Saryn's damage and dps got moved from miasma to spore and toxic lash.

The idea of these reworks is to remove the excessive cheese and "zero effort" gameplay to add and raise skill cielings to these frames. I mean you kinda just explained it yourself: You pressed a key and afked, and completed high level missions. DE, like many other companies, want you to play the game. If you want to afk while still gaining stuff go install a clicker game.

moving damage from 1 skill to 2 skills is a nerf old saryn could walk into a room kill everyone and walk out in less then 1 sec the rework requires you to aim find an enemy then u can kill everyone

Saryn is a stationary dps now. First you cast her 2 then you shoot it with Torid/Pox and spam 1 on it. She's extremely powerful now, especially when combined with Nova. Not very fun to play though.

[Fief]

Ember. She's still my bae, but them nerfs though. It makes me sad.

[tutzdes]

Most frames got only better and fun to play after reworks. Saryn is now more powerful and interesting to play for both stationary and dynamic playstyle. Mag is more versatile and became a boss killer, her only drawback is that bubbles now obstruct targets and annoy teammates a lot more. Mesa is more strong and fun now, for sure. Excalibur was made too boring and powerful after rework, now it's fixed and we see a bit less mindless whoosh-tards now, you need to actually play the game and not just spam waves into general direction of the enemy.

My only problem with Volt is that he automatically switches to secondaries when picking up the shield, but doesn't switch back when you drop it. That's annoying. Other than that - he's pretty awesome.

The frame that was truly nerfed hard is Trinity. Still, I think it's for the better. Using the floor smashing 99.9% DR build was boring as hell, some auras and other healers in party could have disrupted your flow. Now you can run some versatile builds with 3 perfectly viable abilites and using any melee you want for actually killing the stuff. Instagibbing anyone with timed 1+2 combo was fun, but surely broken, no wonder it was fixed. You can still eat enemies of any level alive under several seconds using proper EV-build.

The frame which suffered some of the most crippling nerf hits is Hydroid. He got hit by "no energy gain when using channeling ability" and "afk timer" nerfs, "Nullifiers", that made his Undertow much less desirable for MD and Interception missions. Pilfering nerf made his max str build to become energy inefficient without Zenurik and much less efficient at farming than slash-Nekros (especially than current super-strong Nekros version). Most of these things weren't even anti-Hydroid focused, but as pretty situational and ineffective in general warframe, he suffered from these the most. He is really something between super-squishy Inaros and greatly weakened Nekros, currently.

[Kromblite]

I think the only one I prefer the pre-reworked version of is Mag. Sure, Magnetize is a good way to keep yourself alive, but it's not as reliable as you'd expect. Polarize, meanwhile, seems to do so little damage that I don't even think it's worth using. Maybe I'm playing her wrong, though.

[Loixol]

Excalibur with Exalted Blade when it first came out.

Before the augment and slash waves nerfs, nearly nothing stood in the way of me doing 3-4 hour long t4s sessions. I dialed down the sessions to 2 hours then tried some other frames that would be fun to do hour long t4s's in but none were as fun.

But then they removed void keys ;-;

[AnonumusSoldier]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Kromblite:

I think the only one I prefer the pre-reworked version of is Mag. Sure, Magnetize is a good way to keep yourself alive, but it's not as reliable as you'd expect. Polarize, meanwhile, seems to do so little damage that I don't even think it's worth using. Maybe I'm playing her wrong, though.

Polorize utility now is more for replenishing ally shields and stripping armour.

Although I understand why polorize was nerfed, and I like the new magnetize and pull, I really miss the old polorize. It really made corpus sorties a thousand times easier. Now I have break out ashhole whenever I see a corpus defense/interception sortie in order to keep my team alive and pass.

[Nayroy]

Nova, before mp was nerfed.

[BaelZephyr]

I really enjoyed a -70% duration max range nyx before nullifiers. Being able to go indefinitely through t4d solo because you could chaos the entire room every 5 seconds. I really dislike nullifiers QwQ

[AnonumusSoldier]

Początkowo opublikowane przez BaelZephyr:

I really enjoyed a -70% duration max range nyx before nullifiers. Being able to go indefinitely through t4d solo because you could chaos the entire room every 5 seconds. I really dislike nullifiers QwQ

You do know you can recast it right? You don't have to go negative duration..also, chaos sphere.

[BaelZephyr]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez BaelZephyr:

I really enjoyed a -70% duration max range nyx before nullifiers. Being able to go indefinitely through t4d solo because you could chaos the entire room every 5 seconds. I really dislike nullifiers QwQ

You do know you can recast it right? You don't have to go negative duration..also, chaos sphere.

I know you can recast it, it doesn't work the same though. It doesnt refresh the chaos on those already afflicted. Id also not like to waste a slot on an augment for a skill I already didn't use much except for the knockdown. That all being said, I don't dislike the current Nyx. She is much more balanced and effective than before. My main thing i missed was nullifiers being non existsnt + old Nyx.

[Inugami]

I would have to say saryn. She made low-mid tier missions less annoying.
Mag was good too but people abused her greedy pull in draco along with Mesa's 4.

[Honor Guard]

Nyx before the irradational disarm (That was a strong indirect nerf)

[Zephyr]

Mesa before everyone cried "op pls nerf" and nerfed it to ♥♥♥♥

when a frame is good, nerf it to hell - Community's logic

[Seraguith]

Valkyr