The stupid reason to rework Ash's bladestorm

[mellow ღ]

What could possibly be the reason to rework this?
While on the other hand, there's no point to do so. Like how would you even rework this? Make it a line of sight skill just like with Mirage's prism?

[GamingSanta]

To be frank, Bladestorm has been flawed from the beginning (I'd never call it broken, just flawed.) Through the years they've tweaked enemy invulnerability (without it Ash couldn't get any kills), the speed of the ability, and they've also buffed the damage. Despite these changes there have always been complaints about it, either it was too slow, or ineffectual, or useless at high level, or the reverse of those. So, as an Ash player, I think it's time to try something else with it.

[Kromblite]

Автор сообщения: BeefKrieger

Wow and ? Its the same with ember once you press 4 its the same but without pressing the whole time 4444444.

Actually, no. You can still move around and do pretty much anything you can normally do while ember's 4 is active. You don't just take your hands off the keyboard and wait.

[Konachibi]

Ash's 4 does need a serious rework. The reason behind it is that it's unpleasant to have an Ash in a party if you're playing someone else. You waste ammunition and energy on marked targets due to their invulnerability and you can't gain focus because Ash is constantly clearing the room and giving no kill opportunities to anyone else, not to mention the amount of times people bring Ash to rad hazard missions.
The other reason would be that if you want to build for Bladestorm, your other 3 abilities become near useless, and if you build for the other 3 abilities, Bladestorm is useless, he has no synergy between his skills.
If I were to rework Bladestorm, I'd change it to a channeling ability. Once activated, pressing the melee button whilst targeting an enemy will make him teleport to and perform a finisher on that target. The ability stays active so long as you have energy or until you turn it off by pressing again. This way it keeps the essence of what it does without being a 'fire and forget' ability and ruining the gameplay experience for everyone else in the group.

[BeefKrieger]

Автор сообщения: Kromblite

Автор сообщения: BeefKrieger

Wow and ? Its the same with ember once you press 4 its the same but without pressing the whole time 4444444.

Actually, no. You can still move around and do pretty much anything you can normally do while ember's 4 is active. You don't just take your hands off the keyboard and wait.

actually yes. Do some survival missions solo and stay in a corner while waiting for enemies :P Boom EZ Kills and loot

[fragball]

Автор сообщения: Konachibi

..., not to mention the amount of times people bring Ash to rad hazard missions...

oh boy, how i love those missions ^^
but really, even the best rework won't help if the one who plays is braindead from the start ;)
luckily, not every ash-player has his/her finger glued to -4- and some even mod ash correctly for rad-conditions.

[FieserMoep]

Simple reason: To play ash you dont play at all. You just press the button so the game plays for you, no skill or anything involved, just a horribly animated slide show.

[fmalfeas]

Why not some kind of insane evolution of his shuriken ability? Making it really a storm of blades he unleashes with some kind of Tenno Ninja Magic. Lots of damage and slash procs all over the place, either 360, or like a 90 degree cone that does a stupid amount of damage.

[Kawalorn]

Автор сообщения: BeefKrieger

Автор сообщения: Kromblite

Actually, no. You can still move around and do pretty much anything you can normally do while ember's 4 is active. You don't just take your hands off the keyboard and wait.

actually yes. Do some survival missions solo and stay in a corner while waiting for enemies :P Boom EZ Kills and loot

Actually no. Ember 4 has much less damage and doesn't make her immortal. It will stop working at around lvl 30 while Ash still can press 4 to win on Sortie 3. It's like you know ♥♥♥♥ about this game or something.

And yes it's a co-op game so everything that brews conflict in team should be removed. Like Ash's Bladestorm. Not gonna even waste my time on "everyone should play Ash then". Some people just like to have that thing called "fun".

[Crisπ]

i spam ash s 4 bcs i like the kill animation....

[Vulbjorn]

The main reason for Ash's rework is that he's just... boring to play. His main ability is his ultimate and it basically hard locks you into being AFK for about 20s, then you drop out for a second, and another 20 seconds of tea drinking. That's kinda not a very engaging gameplay, and nice looking kill cams can't be enterntaining forever either.

I personally don't think he should be nerfed, but I think that he should be given at least some resemblance of skillful gameplay. Or, at least, we should be allowed to chat during Bladestorm so we don't die from boredom.

[Kromblite]

Автор сообщения: BeefKrieger

actually yes. Do some survival missions solo and stay in a corner while waiting for enemies :P Boom EZ Kills and loot

EZ kills? With just your ult and no weapons? You must be running some seriously low-level missions.

Regardless, even if your ultimate inta-killed everyone around you, why would you want to stay in a corner when you could get far more kills by staying mobile and going wherever the enemies are most concentrated? Even that little bit of gameplay, combined with the game's movement system, makes Ember much more fun to play than Ash.

[FieserMoep]

Автор сообщения: Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.

The main reason for Ash's rework is that he's just... boring to play.

That is actually the major point. As with Macros DEs stance is that they dont want stuff in this game that "plays for you". And Ashs Bladestorm is exactly that. That is why he will be changed, not necessarily nerfed. Tho this non-game abilities also being incredible strong might include such a "nerf" in its change.

Yes, this is a Coop game yet making 3/4 players obsolet may not be fun for them either.

[fmalfeas]

Автор сообщения: Kromblite

Автор сообщения: BeefKrieger

actually yes. Do some survival missions solo and stay in a corner while waiting for enemies :P Boom EZ Kills and loot

EZ kills? With just your ult and no weapons? You must be running some seriously low-level missions.

Regardless, even if your ultimate inta-killed everyone around you,

That's /exactly/ what bladestorm does. Or have you never equipped a dagger with covert lethality on your Ash? Room full of level 135 enemies? Dead. Instantly. You're invincible the whole time too.

[Kromblite]

Автор сообщения: fmalfeas

That's /exactly/ what bladestorm does. Or have you never equipped a dagger with covert lethality on your Ash? Room full of level 135 enemies? Dead. Instantly. You're invincible the whole time too.

No, it's not the same, because you're locked out of doing anything until the ability is over. You can't move, you can't shoot, the game will not recognize any input for a while. At that point, you're just watching a cutscene.

And you have to watch this same cutscene over and over again.

[Monarch]

Q. T. E.

Nah LOL I kid I kid, that'd be horrible.