Crit pistol build?

[METHSTROKE]

Just got primed pistol gambit to rank 11 and I put it on my lex prime, haven’t tested results but I’m not very impressed by the increase, if anyone has anyone other pistol recommendations or any sort of crit mod I’m missing out on please tell m
Thanks in advance

[JebKerman]

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JebKerman lähetti viestin:

Sharpened Bullets: +75% Crit Damage on Kill for 9s.

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JebKerman lähetti viestin:

Hydraulic Crosshairs: +135% Crit Chance on Headshot for 9s.

only on couple of weapons, Knell for example, or in cases where you can reach orange crits just because of that. Increasing your critical chance from 60% to 70% with that mod is not really a dream come true, especially when you take into account reliability of it and struggle with ever broken hitboxes.
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Boomer Grug lähetti viestin:

...or any sort of crit mod I’m missing out on...

OP wanted Crit mods, I gave 'em Crit Mods. Do agree on sharpened bullets though.

Less so on Hydralic Crosshairs. 60% to 70% is actually to 88%. Any weapon with 24% base is taken over 100% with PPG and HC. It's definitely one of the non-riven mods worth considering for that 8th slot alongside the likes of Augur Pact.

[No_Quarter]

JebKerman lähetti viestin:

OP wanted Crit mods, I gave 'em Crit Mods. Do agree on sharpened bullets though.

Less so on Hydralic Crosshairs. 60% to 70% is actually to 88%. Any weapon with 24% base is taken over 100% with PPG and HC. It's definitely one of the non-riven mods worth considering for that 8th slot alongside the likes of Augur Pact.

yes, but shifting your 70% crit chance to 100% does not do much, you still nail yellow only and 70% is reliable.
I would rather go from 85-95% mark up to reach at least 120% to call it reliably useful.

Sure, there is a benefit of tryharding for more headshots with HC and that will end up giving you more damage since headshot damage is x2. But there is a slight loss in dps of always adjusting for headshots so I cannot call it useful unless it gives me oranges.

[BlazingbeaT Da HeaT]

As other people has said. Lex prime is not a good secondary.
You want a crit weapon, i have some options for you as probably others have mention as well
-pandero (highest non kitgun critical chance weapon)
- pyrana prime ( not so high but the amount of crit is very often.)
- kitguns(any type or head just make sure you put splat or killstream

As for the mod:
-Primed target cracker and primed pistol gambit for CC and CD
- hydraulic crosshair if you are the guy who like to make sure every shot is headshot

[Sceles]

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Lex P is not a good weapon and it has never been a good weapon. With a maxed build you'll deal roughly 25k per shot if you crit and that's a huge if because it doesn't get even close to 100% crit chance and when you don't crit it hits like a wet noodle. Meanwhile there are weapons like Catchmoon, Tombfinger, Euphona P, Pyrana P, etc. that hit several times harder and have a higher chance to crit.

Honestly people should just stop recommending this trash gun to new players. It's MR8, they can get plenty of good weapons at that point! It used to be MR0 but they raised it to MR5 in 2017 and raised it even further after that. Back in 2017 it was a decent weapon for someone who's totally new to the game, now it's just plain bad.

You need to get off your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and stop acting like you're capable of saying anything with the slightest bit of accuracy to the "objective" tone you take with your statements.

And you need to stop these personal attacks against everyone. I have not done a damn thing to deserve this treatment. If you wish to argue then do it in a polite manner. I'm getting pretty tired of seeing you treating everyone else like ♥♥♥♥, and I know I'm not the only one. If you hate people that much then why are you even here? To troll? To fight? If these forums were actually properly moderated you would have been banned so many times you propably wouldn't even bother being here.

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Meanwhile there are weapons like Pyrana P,

because once you cannot kill 3 enemies fast enough Pyrana Prime becomes dodo in high levels. X build may make it reach lvl 100 before it starts struggling to do that, or it may reach lvl 150. But it will struggle eventually and will eventually become 50% worse weapon than anything else to fight your imaginary lvl 500 enemies he never saw, maybe apart from John Prodman but either way Mesa deals with him and

Because if he did - he would NEVER mention Pyrana Prime as a "strong" weapon.

Because if anything, it is a quite strong weapon for mid-to-high levels.

To be clear, Lex is not the most reliable weapon, it hits like a truck but recoil makes it unreliable imho.
But I gotta point it out that

Sceles lähetti viestin:

Lex P doesn't get even close to 100% crit chance

is another pile of BS, as base CC is 1% higher than of Pyrana Prime and both require a riven to reach orange crits.

71% critical chance with primed Pistol Gambit is MORE than enough for a reliable chance to crit.

Also orange critical is NOT 2 yellow criticals. Bet 99% of meta slaves do not know that.

So yeah, meta slavery is is not really a strange concept, no ability to think for your self, no ability to be objective and see good sides of things that aren't meta, all because of runs you never did or will likely never do.

Don't jump on his bandwagon. We can all discuss in a civilized manner, right? Pyrana P has much higher base dmg. It's also a shotgun, meaning that each individual pellet has its own chance to crit, while Lex P is a regular pistol that shoots only one pellet(*multishot). Pyrana P always deals steady dmg, while Lex P may end up dealing very low dmg, especially if you're not using Hydraulic Crosshairs. And to make Hydraulic Crosshairs work you need to first land a headshot, making it unsuitable for occasional use against individual tough targets, like those eximuses that some frame abilities might leave. Lex P is the kind of gun that you would expect to kill everything in one shot, but the reality is that it often doesn't. You don't even need a very high lvl enemy for it to stay alive from a non-critical shot.

[Yeti.^^]

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Lex P is not a good weapon and it has never been a good weapon. With a maxed build you'll deal roughly 25k per shot if you crit and that's a huge if because it doesn't get even close to 100% crit chance and when you don't crit it hits like a wet noodle. Meanwhile there are weapons like Catchmoon, Tombfinger, Euphona P, Pyrana P, etc. that hit several times harder and have a higher chance to crit.

Honestly people should just stop recommending this trash gun to new players. It's MR8, they can get plenty of good weapons at that point! It used to be MR0 but they raised it to MR5 in 2017 and raised it even further after that. Back in 2017 it was a decent weapon for someone who's totally new to the game, now it's just plain bad.

You need to get off your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and stop acting like you're capable of saying anything with the slightest bit of accuracy to the "objective" tone you take with your statements.
The Lex Prime has always been a fine weapon, even if it has been power crept. If you don't think so, then likely the only thing trash around are your builds for it.
Lex Prime did by me fine with nothing but a catalyst in Sorties back when I used it often. And with the standard set up Chatbot above suggested, I see absolutely no problem with it outside of particularly rough Sortie situations.

inb4 "Sorties are a low bar to set for good weapond", then get the hell out of here and stick to the 1% of the 1% of set ups you like to meta slave over for your five hour endurance runs, yeah?

This.Basically this.
I'm tired of all these people ,,uhh hurr durr this weapon bad cuz catchmoon better11!11!11''.
I've been using lex prime and aklex combined for.. probably half of my playtime and i haven't been disappointed with them at all ,it's a really good weapon.

[No_Quarter]

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Don't jump on his bandwagon. We can all discuss in a civilized manner, right? Pyrana P has much higher base dmg. It's also a shotgun, meaning that each individual pellet has its own chance to crit, while Lex P is a regular pistol that shoots only one pellet(*multishot). Pyrana P always deals steady dmg, while Lex P may end up dealing very low dmg, especially if you're not using Hydraulic Crosshairs. And to make Hydraulic Crosshairs work you need to first land a headshot, making it unsuitable for occasional use against individual tough targets, like those eximuses that some frame abilities might leave. Lex P is the kind of gun that you would expect to kill everything in one shot, but the reality is that it often doesn't. You don't even need a very high lvl enemy for it to stay alive from a non-critical shot.

you do understand that it does not mean that every pellet will crit, so argument of consistency is out the window, with same critical chances they will crit same amount of times.
Yes Pyrana Prime deals more with the buff, but once you stop getting your buff up then it will fall behind Lex Prime.
With 70-ish % critical chance it is kinda irrelevant to talk about "non-reliable" crits as you crit most of the time. Also clicking LMB twice is not that big of deal as you make it out to be

Also to mention the flawless Pyrana's recoil that makes headshots super reliable kappa.

Lex is a viable semi-auto option for people who love it, it is kind appples vs oranges to compare semi-auto pistol to a shotgun that's mostly relying on it's buff to be good and with mere 12% of status chance Pyrana Prime is not a good shotgun even if it is in fact slash based it is quite trashy in that regard

Not to mention that Lex can actually be used on a distance while Pyrana is just a no no with it's spread and you end up missing half of your pellets after 6-7 meters as only after 3 meters pellets hit the right and left side of the aiming reticle, which makes it god awful at any distance while Lex is pinpoint accurate.

Pyrana Prime is VERY good on mid-to-high level, really bad any beyond. Lex is good at mid-to-high level, taking about 60-100-ish levels, but unlike Pyrana Prime it does not suffer a cliff fall decline in performance once you cannot kill 3 enemies in 3 seconds.

So in a way, Lex is actually flat out better in some regards, math-wise it is better on any range.
And if you have primary that has a limited range is is quite recommended to have a secondary that can do it on any level.

Just because Pyrana Prime makes it easier for you to hit targets as you basically do not have to aim and half of your pellets will hit and eventually kill the target, it does not make it the only way as on any distance above 10-15m Lex will outpreform it as each projectile is hitting the target. Damage fall-off starts at 18m so that is a thing too for Pyrana Prime
And most of the combat in Warframe happens up to 30 meters, going way above on open worlds so Pyrana has some drawbacks. Sure you can move closer, but while you moved Lex already killed the target.

I use Pyrana Prime a lot, mostly in Kuva Survival and it's fun, but it is a bad weapon if you are going endless as once you actually meet a meaty target it falls short as it requires a lot of time to kill it due to really low status. And I do have a good riven for it, not a god tier but good riven which still makes it a very good build.

Point is that you took an elitist attitude how people should play the game and it is quite reasonable people are pissed at you.
If you play meta only, good for you, a lot of people do not care as max builds of all weapons are enough to deal with anything you meet on regular basis. Even Mk1 braton, easy sortie.

And some people will make fun of you as meta slave is a sign of a closed mind, and people like to pick on those

[Watermelons]

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You need to get off your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and stop acting like you're capable of saying anything with the slightest bit of accuracy to the "objective" tone you take with your statements.

And you need to stop these personal attacks against everyone. I have not done a damn thing to deserve this treatment. If you wish to argue then do it in a polite manner. I'm getting pretty tired of seeing you treating everyone else like ♥♥♥♥, and I know I'm not the only one. If you hate people that much then why are you even here? To troll? To fight? If these forums were actually properly moderated you would have been banned so many times you propably wouldn't even bother being here.

I abhor around maybe 80% of your posts which always, always involve you spewing your opinions on things as if they were anywhere close to objective. "X is garbage" instead of "X isn't the best choice around, but it has its strengths", or even a reasonable "I don't like X because there are the more powerful Y and Z choices, but that doesn't mean X is awful" statement. There's no in between for you, and I absolutely hate when people like you try to tell anyone anything. X is always either garbage, or meta. There's no "well hey it's a fine/fun weapon, so build it properly to keep it useful".

I could probably look through your post history control+f'ing "garbage" or "trash" and it'd hit over half of your posts. And you absolutely cannot refute being a meta-slave when what you immediately suggest, even for new players to work towards, are the very meta Catchmoon, Tombfinger, Pyrana Prime, even Euphona Prime. It is entirely unreasonable, and furthermore an incredibly boring outlook on this game.

As for the rest of the stuff you're saying, about me specifically, I don't hate people. I hate it when people can't stop resorting to hyper-polarizing language, pardon the irony, because they can't for one single second get off their internet mentality which resorts to calling everything they don't like garbage because they cannot possibly imagine life without following their own strict views on what should be used for what in a simple video game. What is left to defend a weapon you call garbage besides "it isn't garbage because of this and that example", to which you'd likely just respond to with "The meta weapons I listed do all that better", on and on and on? Why don't you expand your vocabulary, then maybe I'll stop calling you out on dumb/unreasonable posts.

[Zefar]

How is a pistol with 150 total damage and 25% crit chance a bad pistol for critical?

It hits hard and is accurate. The recoil isn't that bad. For most of the time you don't need more than 1 shot to kill something.

Too topic starter, you should aim for AKLex instead. More bullets to fire because you got two of them at once. Two is better than one.
If you get a good riven for it, it'll just be so much better.

[METHSTROKE]

Zefar lähetti viestin:

How is a pistol with 150 total damage and 25% crit chance a bad pistol for critical?

It hits hard and is accurate. The recoil isn't that bad. For most of the time you don't need more than 1 shot to kill something.

Too topic starter, you should aim for AKLex instead. More bullets to fire because you got two of them at once. Two is better than one.
If you get a good riven for it, it'll just be so much better.

Fair enough, I guess rivens and maybe the aklex is my solution here

[Walrus-Sama]

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Zefar lähetti viestin:

How is a pistol with 150 total damage and 25% crit chance a bad pistol for critical?

It hits hard and is accurate. The recoil isn't that bad. For most of the time you don't need more than 1 shot to kill something.

Too topic starter, you should aim for AKLex instead. More bullets to fire because you got two of them at once. Two is better than one.
If you get a good riven for it, it'll just be so much better.

Fair enough, I guess rivens and maybe the aklex is my solution here

Be warned the AKlex Prime's reload is painfully slow.

[Singrave]

first you need a good hand-made pistol
not this sh1t from market or Dojo

[zueldebizz]

Are twin rogga good?its really an ugly gun ":D lol

[bubblegumrockya]

spira prime ye ye

[METHSTROKE]

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spira prime ye ye

“Pistol”