Keep getting failed Zariman mission

[CyrexJax]

Some random players keep activating angels at the wrong time. Void cascade and void flood gone critical really fast when they activated angel, and its an instant fail when it was close to an already activated terminal in mobile defense. We tried to warn people in each mission, but most players don't understand english (especially in Asia region) or I was joining late.

[«Wodan»]

Simply sounds like a problem of undergeared players. Angels are easy to solo.

[CyrexJax]

Originally posted by «Wodan»:

Simply sounds like a problem of undergeared players. Angels are easy to solo.

You kinda right, but that's the point of public matchmaking. Vet players like me went in knowing there will be new unexperienced players but we're happy to help. But having teammates with undergeared usually won't be a problem.

The problem is not the angel itself. When you are soloing the angel you will need someone to defend console or exolizers and vice versa. So when the rest of the team are undergeared we usually told them to do some things one at a time. Because there are people who want to also farm voidplum or lanthorn. That's why I brought up communication. For me when I saw their mastery below 20, it's easier to ask them just do the angel first or last together. But even after saying that, some players failed to understand and for example, activated defense console right in front of the angel where the angel and a trax one shot the console right after the angel back from 2nd stage recovery.

I didn't blame them because it is what it is. This is that kind of game where we have to deal with that kind of thing. It's not their fault because they probably new or simply think they can handle it. All I want is to share these experiences because it happens to many players, so we can figure out something as community or maybe getting a micro changes from DE.

[Fake]

Solo. Problem solved.

[CyrexJax]

Originally posted by Fake:

Solo. Problem solved.

I know, but sometimes we are farming too many resources and the fastest way is public matchmaking. I mean even after failing many times, the total amount of resources you get in a time given still higher than soloing. So, problem solved but not really.

Besides I'm not only talking for myself but also for other players who won't be able to solo those missions.

[Fake]

Originally posted by CyrexJax:

Originally posted by Fake:

Solo. Problem solved.

I know, but sometimes we are farming too many resources and the fastest way is public matchmaking. I mean even after failing many times, the total amount of resources you get in a time given still higher than soloing. So, problem solved but not really.

Besides I'm not only talking for myself but also for other players who won't be able to solo those missions.

If you need Zariman resources, do SP Zariman exterminate missions.

Fun Fact - The Mighty Mote is capable of killing SP Angels.

[CyrexJax]

Originally posted by Fake:

Originally posted by CyrexJax:

I know, but sometimes we are farming too many resources and the fastest way is public matchmaking. I mean even after failing many times, the total amount of resources you get in a time given still higher than soloing. So, problem solved but not really.

Besides I'm not only talking for myself but also for other players who won't be able to solo those missions.

If you need Zariman resources, do SP Zariman exterminate missions.

Fun Fact - The Mighty Mote is capable of killing SP Angels.

People are doing mobile defense and cascade because those are missions where you can get thrax plasm faster with addition of lanthorn, voidplum and pinions.

[Fake]

Originally posted by CyrexJax:

Originally posted by Fake:

If you need Zariman resources, do SP Zariman exterminate missions.

Fun Fact - The Mighty Mote is capable of killing SP Angels.

People are doing mobile defense and cascade because those are missions where you can get thrax plasm faster with addition of lanthorn, voidplum and pinions.

Okay, do SP cascades and mobile defense.

[CyrexJax]

Originally posted by Fake:

Originally posted by CyrexJax:

People are doing mobile defense and cascade because those are missions where you can get thrax plasm faster with addition of lanthorn, voidplum and pinions.

Okay, do SP cascades and mobile defense.

Ok, you seem to misunderstood the points I was trying to make. We all already know about SP. If you paid attention to what I was saying, I said its not just about me. I made it clear twice. There are players who can't even solo regular mission let alone SP. Their best chance is public matchmaking regular difficulty. Which is just fine without miscommunication. So let's try this, what would be your suggestion for new players when facing the same problems?

Even further, what I really wanted to hear is the conversations about maybe the system itself. Because what Warframe did with Zariman's missions are multiple tasks at the same time that can failed each other, which is good because it pushes players to really work as a team and communicate. Other looter shooter I played like for example Destiny or Outriders, will have multiple quest and bounties that doesn't affect other task completion or other player's progression. And when it came to linear quest like Zariman's, the tasks always arranged in 'checkpoints'. So all players can focus to do the tasks one at a time and when it fails, the mission won't failed completely but back to checkpoint to give at least one chance to redo where you can talk to your teammates to maybe change strategy without completely losing rewards from previous try. Which I also understands its not applicable to Warframe, and it doesn't need to be done like that. But just a good comparison as basics to add to the conversation.

[Shuri]

it sounds like you are just unlucky in match making.
imho, pre-made group will solve the problem or solo the mission.
i know, too much to do, too many loot to search, yadda yadda yadda. but everything has pro and con. right?

also, if you choose to jumping to public match (non pre-made group), you will find many type of players.
by calling yourself "vet" and calling others "unexperienced", i assume you are high level I-can-solo-everything kind of player. in that case, someone accidentally activate an Angel should NOT be a problem for you. Because as you know, plan doesn't always as smooth as intended. no?

edit: sorry for my english

[Fake]

Originally posted by CyrexJax:

There are players who can't even solo regular mission let alone SP. Their best chance is public matchmaking regular difficulty. Which is just fine without miscommunication. So let's try this, what would be your suggestion for new players when facing the same problems?

They aren't new players. Maybe it's time for them to actually learn the game instead of being carried?

[CyrexJax]

Originally posted by Fake:

Originally posted by CyrexJax:

There are players who can't even solo regular mission let alone SP. Their best chance is public matchmaking regular difficulty. Which is just fine without miscommunication. So let's try this, what would be your suggestion for new players when facing the same problems?

They aren't new players. Maybe it's time for them to actually learn the game instead of being carried?

Yup, I knew you would say things like that.

[CyrexJax]

Originally posted by Shuri:

it sounds like you are just unlucky in match making.
imho, pre-made group will solve the problem or solo the mission.
i know, too much to do, too many loot to search, yadda yadda yadda. but everything has pro and con. right?

also, if you choose to jumping to public match (non pre-made group), you will find many type of players.
by calling yourself "vet" and calling others "unexperienced", i assume you are high level I-can-solo-everything kind of player. in that case, someone accidentally activate an Angel should NOT be a problem for you. Because as you know, plan doesn't always as smooth as intended. no?

edit: sorry for my english

Yeah, you were right, plan was not always smooth and sometimes you were just being unlucky.

Another example, while doing mobile defense I made a quick turn for a voidplum in a tunnel and the others rush to next console. Even though they've been warned, after they activated the console, one of them also woke up the angel just few meters from the console. When I saw that, I jump right back out from the tunnel and rush to their location but mission failed before I get there. It took about less than 15 seconds for the console to be destroyed. And before that last console, we decided to spent the whole time looking for other resources and containers.

I was like, well, this happens. But the other guy were loosing it and shouting in the chat. He was like, WHY DID YOU... I SAID... I TOLD YOU GUYS...
Watching players like that probably one of the reason I shared this. Especially in Asia servers where a lot of players only speaking their own first language, everyone seems to be doing their own thing when sometimes you need to communicate.