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sL Ug 2022 年 6 月 9 日 下午 4:38
should parkour be easier
I'm going to guess that frames like wukong and titania are used so much because they can completely cheese parkour, wukong especially in spy, so why don't the devs just add new built in parkour abilities that will give players a viable option to use non flying frames
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The Big Brzezinski 2022 年 6 月 10 日 下午 3:33 
引用自 z
引用自 The Big Brzezinski
What new abilities could you give frames besides sliding, bullet jumping, rolling, and aim gliding that would make parkour "easier"? It sounds like what you really want is for parkour to be "simpler".
my opinion is give all frames a built in infested mobility from the helminth but make it it's own button and power that all frames can use and doesnt take up any slots
Infest mobility doesn't make parkour easier. It just makes you faster.

I really don't understand the problem. They're just mundane shooter controls that do a few extra tricks when combined. Same movement inputs as any other shooter; WASD, run, crouch, aim. The moves aren't even that crazy. The roll and double jump are common enough. Jumping out of a slide to go farther is something we've been doing since at least Megaman X (use Staticor for the full effect). Aim glide exists specifically to make it easier to shoot things while in the air.

Just because a frame can do This One Weird Trick That Bosses HATE doesn't invalidate all the others. Yeah, Titania and Wukong can fly freely. Limbo can walk through whole levels. Valkyr can be invulnerable. Chroma can solo Profit Taker. Ivara can cheese spy missions. Mesa just is an aimbot. They ALL do stuff like this. They're ALL easy mode for something.
Nebazu 2022 年 6 月 10 日 下午 4:51 
Maybe and just maybe get better at moving in warframe and it wont be a issue <3
c0x0c 2022 年 6 月 10 日 下午 7:31 
while were at it should we include auto aim and wall hacks so people dont need to trouble themselves so much?
Fake 2022 年 6 月 10 日 下午 7:37 
引用自 c0x0c
while were at it should we include auto aim and wall hacks so people dont need to trouble themselves so much?
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WhamyKaBlamy 2022 年 6 月 10 日 下午 10:51 
引用自 z
if he didn't have cloudwalker his useage would be cut by at least 50% and you can argue for the sake of arguing but every wukong ive ever seen has been speeding towards the exit in cloud form
his other powers are useful but not on the extreme cheese level that is essentially high speed noclipping

His cloud walker makes him:
- Go invisible
- Heal for 1% per meter travelled
- Stun enemies
- Travel at 30 meters per second.

Only one of those things is about parkour. Whether or not Wukong has a stupidly good kit and disproportionately used is not an indicator that people want him just for parkour, or that parkour is broken.

Because a frame has the ability to bypass a mechanic and you often see them gunning it towards the exit doesn't even mean that the player taking it doesn't want to use the mechanic. They happen to be in a frame that can do it.
sL Ug 2022 年 6 月 11 日 上午 12:14 
引用自 WhamyKaBlamy
引用自 z
if he didn't have cloudwalker his useage would be cut by at least 50% and you can argue for the sake of arguing but every wukong ive ever seen has been speeding towards the exit in cloud form
his other powers are useful but not on the extreme cheese level that is essentially high speed noclipping

His cloud walker makes him:
- Go invisible
- Heal for 1% per meter travelled
- Stun enemies
- Travel at 30 meters per second.

Only one of those things is about parkour. Whether or not Wukong has a stupidly good kit and disproportionately used is not an indicator that people want him just for parkour, or that parkour is broken.

Because a frame has the ability to bypass a mechanic and you often see them gunning it towards the exit doesn't even mean that the player taking it doesn't want to use the mechanic. They happen to be in a frame that can do it.
First of all, at least 3 of those things are incredibly useful for parkour since, again, you only have to push w and cheese the mission
second of all, you pretty much confirmed what I just said
without cloudwalker Wukong would get no action
also his other 3 abilities are easily outdone by other frames
I get that wukong mains are mad that he is the noob king and that his cloudwalker is the most noob friendly and one of the cheesiest powers in the game but it's blatantly obvious why players choose him because if it was for any of his other powers there are, again, many other frames that do it much better and the actual stats recorded are literal proof of that because it shows that a wide range of MR's choose wukong regularly which means he does something so well it's stupid easy and therein lies the point, his cloudwalker ability is op to the point ppl will choose him just because it's stupid easy
any other time there was a warframe that did something so 'stupid easy' it was nerfed again and again until people didn't use that frame for that thing anymore and even after all the nerfs to cloudwalker its still the cheesiest movement power in the game so the whole point of me saying why not give a universal parkour buff because there are clearly huge numbers of players who choose wukong SPECIFICALLY because that's what he does
WhamyKaBlamy 2022 年 6 月 11 日 上午 12:43 
引用自 z
First of all, at least 3 of those things are incredibly useful for parkour since, again, you only have to push w and cheese the mission
second of all, you pretty much confirmed what I just said
without cloudwalker Wukong would get no action
also his other 3 abilities are easily outdone by other frames
I get that wukong mains are mad that he is the noob king and that his cloudwalker is the most noob friendly and one of the cheesiest powers in the game but it's blatantly obvious why players choose him because if it was for any of his other powers there are, again, many other frames that do it much better and the actual stats recorded are literal proof of that because it shows that a wide range of MR's choose wukong regularly which means he does something so well it's stupid easy and therein lies the point, his cloudwalker ability is op to the point ppl will choose him just because it's stupid easy
any other time there was a warframe that did something so 'stupid easy' it was nerfed again and again until people didn't use that frame for that thing anymore and even after all the nerfs to cloudwalker its still the cheesiest movement power in the game so the whole point of me saying why not give a universal parkour buff because there are clearly huge numbers of players who choose wukong SPECIFICALLY because that's what he does

Look mate, I'm not going to keep going back and forth with you. Your writing style is incredibly hard to read and, frankly, it gives me a headache trying to reply to it when you write in this way.

If you want to believe your anecdotal, biased opinion is right, then go for it. No one else has problems with parkour. Of the 20 or so people in this topic that have replied, 16 have directly opposed your point of view and not ONE of them has agreed with you. Not a single one. Maybe think about that, or maybe you're the only right one and everyone else is wrong, who knows.
Pakaku 2022 年 6 月 11 日 上午 12:52 
引用自 z
without cloudwalker Wukong would get no action
also his other 3 abilities are easily outdone by other frames
Removing cloud-walker would still leave him with the clone, which I'd say is an even bigger reason to play him. The undying ability is also pretty appealing. Since neither his clone or undying can boost parkour or help you override it, that's even less reason to say parkour isn't easy enough.

If parkour is too hard, why don't people play more mobile frames like Zephyr, who has reduced gravity and an air-boost ability? (Along with other useful abilities like hovering, air-bubble protection, and CC tornados) Last I checked she was still relatively unpopular.
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WhamyKaBlamy 2022 年 6 月 11 日 上午 12:58 
引用自 Pakaku
If parkour is too hard, why don't people play more mobile frames like Zephyr, who has reduced gravity and an air-boost ability? (Along with other useful abilities like hovering, air-bubble protection, and CC tornados) Last I checked she was still relatively unpopular.

Which is sad, because she's freaking awesome.
N3RZULS 2022 年 6 月 11 日 上午 1:05 
You know, you can go OPERATOR, void sling your self to any spot in mid air you want and go back to frame and air-glide
SimpleMinded 2022 年 6 月 15 日 下午 8:40 
i have 15 prime frames & i only ever use one its wukong prime cos the twin kills all the bad guys when i am mining & fishing he looks after my back when i am flying my railjack, my twin has done 90% of my M/R tests, i only ever use the cloud walker to reach very high heights i am always the last person to reach the exit cos i run around levels & not flying & the other two ability's i find rubbish & never use them, i never use bullet jump that is why i will not do my M/R 17 test, i kill more bad guys in missions than people that are 30+ M/R even without using the twin, i even keep reviving these M/R 30+ players with all the best arcanes that they are using they use all the so called best weapon like the kuva Bramma Bow & kuva zarr, while i just use one weapon my Humble Acceltra, i do have kuva weapons like the zarr & bramma i even have good rivens for them but i find them slow at killing...
SimpleMinded 2022 年 6 月 15 日 下午 8:42 
thats a great idea i will try that Thanks for the advice

引用自 RYD3RS
You know, you can go OPERATOR, void sling your self to any spot in mid air you want and go back to frame and air-glide
Troglodyte 2022 年 6 月 15 日 下午 9:06 
引用自 z
plenty of people just use maxed out couldwalker to cheese the parkour which is why wukong is used 10x more than most any other frame so why not give every frame a way to cheese parkour like that
the parkour is obviously not hard, it's simply that players can rush mod a wukong and literally press w to fly very quickly to the end
why have parkour when you give one frame the ability to ignore it, stats prove this is a highly sought after ability
wokung isnt even the most used frame to begin with so this is just dumb
sL Ug 2022 年 6 月 15 日 下午 10:19 
引用自 Troglodyte
引用自 z
plenty of people just use maxed out couldwalker to cheese the parkour which is why wukong is used 10x more than most any other frame so why not give every frame a way to cheese parkour like that
the parkour is obviously not hard, it's simply that players can rush mod a wukong and literally press w to fly very quickly to the end
why have parkour when you give one frame the ability to ignore it, stats prove this is a highly sought after ability
wokung isnt even the most used frame to begin with so this is just dumb
you obviously haven't looked at the warframe stats page lol
peppermint hollows 2022 年 6 月 15 日 下午 10:38 
引用自 The Big Brzezinski
It's the default method of movement for melee mains.

It's the default method of movement for anyone with more than a few hours in the game.
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