Empyrean's Railjack is a Microcosm of Warframe's Worst Aspects

[Miss Spectra]

The Empyrean Update. Surely an achievement for you guys on both a technical and emotional level. Years ago, nobody wanted to help you make this game. It was too risky, too weird, none of it looked like it made sense. Yet here you stand at the launch of one of the most ambitious content updates to one of the most successful passion projects ever created.

I should congratulate you. I should applaud you for standing your ground, and creating the game that you wanted to make... but I just can't...

Empyrean, as a concept, is amazing. In fact, most of the execution is, most definitely, amazing. Absolutely brilliant, even! Being able to wander around an open space, hijacking enemy ships, fixing parts of the ship when it breaks, managing a crew, it really does put the FUN in fundamental in terms of how it all just works.

So why... WHY did you have to make the process of creating your own Railjack a microcosm of all of the WORST ASPECTS of Warframe?!

First, you need to create the Dry Dock, which is costly of resources (especially for people like me who made a clan that nobody wants to join.), then you need to make the Cephelon. Okay, fine, the process was tedious, but now I can finally do the Rising Tide story!

Only for you to find out that you need to put most resources into building the Railjack now! And this time, it's WAY more expensive! With resource costs spiking into the Thousands, NEW Resources that popped up for Railjack building exclusively, resulting in you knowing for a fact that you got none of, so now it's time to grind for those, and 1,000,000 Credits!!! WTF?!

Oh, but it gets better! You then find out that you have to do this FIVE MORE TIMES, each with their own individual resource costs (And an exclusive resource for that specific part, so you will NEVER have everything you need to just get it over with!!!) that drain you dry, and every single one of them demands 1,000,000 Credits!!!

Why did you need to pad out this part of the game with this much grinding? It's absolutely needless, and nobody can convince me that this is not filler. Padding designed to waste your time and frustrate the player! Let's not even get into the fact that every time you finish finding the resources, that you gotta wait 12 hours for you to even THINK about continuing with the construction process because it has to go through that arduous building process, except this time you don't even provide the option to rush the process with platinum this time.

I want to congratulate you on your achievement for the launch of Empyrean, but I cannot in good conscience endorse this behavior. You were so focused on the destination, that you never stopped to wonder if anyone would enjoy the process of getting to it, but judging by how people have been criticizing your business practices, it would appear that Empyrean itself and all of the content with it encompasses everything about you. You focus so much on the bigger picture, the next big epic announcement and launch, that you never think to slow down to try to see if there are smaller things that need to be taken care of first.

[Sceles]

The cost scales with your clan size.

[PhotriusPyrelus]

What a longwinded whinge about the cost of the Railjack.

Not to mention you don't actually even have to build your railjack to play Empyrean. You're literally crying about nothing.

[LegacyXI]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Chocoloco:

All hitscan archwing weapon is now projectile and also doing 10% of your total damage from before....have fun.

It has pretty much made all archguns useless in the mode.

[coldcoffee]

I must admit this has been the straw that broke my back and I'm glad I didn't grind away to make the 6 million credits seeing that the missions will be co-op and could be overwhelming for any solo player.

I was already starting to get burnt out just trying to get MR levels, then the Kuva lichs came along with more to grind out and then the millions of credits needed for Railjack just tipped me over the edge, it seems that the idea of grinding everything takes over from trying to have fun doing what you want.

Oh well looks like a break is coming up just in time for Xmas so a blessing in disguise ;)

It might be ok for those who have already done everything and got massive stocks already but for those who haven't trying to grind rep with the Earth and Venus and level up MR + Nightwave and everything else can be a bit overwhelming and there just aren't enough hours in the day to make decent progress unless you happen to be a no lifer with 10+ hours a day to grind it all out.

[Pakaku]

I've been playing Railjack missions without having built anything except the Dry Dock and some research towards Cy's blueprint. Unless the Dry Dock is necessary, it seems you don't need to build anything if all you want to do is play the missions, meaning it's perfectly possible to get around those costs.

[tony24680]

It never ceases to amaze me how many times I hear people say how expensive warframe is, that is if you have no patience. It's a grind game. Don't like it don't play it cause it's not gonna change.

I'm no veteran, with only just over 1000 hours in mission, but railjack took me just over a week to finish building with hardly any grinding and no resource boosters. Did about an hour of mining on PoE and Vallis with a kavat to get the new resources, and a couple of hours of index total for all six parts to get the creds, I started with just over 2 million.

You expect to build a warship for space combat and have it be done in five minutes? You're upset because you can't buy your way through the building process? You are definitely playing the wrong game if you thought for a minute it would be easier.

This game is a grind if you make it a grind and have no patience. Just chill and have fun. Slide!

[wanderlust]

yeah railjack was expensive. i already had every resource except the new ones ready to go, but i agree that it was kinda nutso. all i know is that the means better justify the ends...empyrean better be worth it for how expensive this process is

[Indal]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Specter Spark:

Opprinnelig skrevet av saporob:

I haven't seen that yet, can you give some numbers? what do you need to fly or space combats?

Okay, so if you want to build your own Railjack, you need to find, salvage, and repair 6 components.

The Fuselage
1,000,000 Credits
3,000 Plastids
15,000 Rubedo
30 Neural Sensors
100 Cubic Diodes

The Propulsion System
1,000,000 Credits
60 Carbides
1,000 Cryotic
30 Orokin Cells
20,000 Nano Spores

The Port Nacelle
1,000,000
60 Carbides
5,000 Circuits
27,000 Alloy Plates
200 Control Modules

The Starboard Nacelle
1,000,000 Credits
100 Pustrels
500 Fieldron Samples
50 Morphics
35 Neurodes

The Tail Section
1,000,000 Credits
80 Copernics
10,000 Ferrite
4,500 Polymer Bundles
15 Argon Crystals

The Engine Cowling
1,000,000 Credits
40 Copernics
5000 Detonite Ampules
10,000 Ferrite
10,000 Salvage

Each of these components to the Railjack also require a 12 Hour Waiting time for the repiar to finish, and you cannot continue the Rising Tide storyline any further until the process is finished.

Seriously over this again? They released part one sooner so you could have TIME to build it.
Why are you complaining now?

[ANU]

run out of omini = failed

[PhotriusPyrelus]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Anulackk:

run out of omini = failed

So don't run out? It's only 5 Pustules and 5 diodes for 50...

[DLOZanma]

So this is just some sort of joke thread right? You can get the unique resources in the span of 1 mission.

[Sterling]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Specter Spark:

Opprinnelig skrevet av saporob:

I haven't seen that yet, can you give some numbers? what do you need to fly or space combats?

Okay, so if you want to build your own Railjack, you need to find, salvage, and repair 6 components.

The Fuselage
1,000,000 Credits
3,000 Plastids
15,000 Rubedo
30 Neural Sensors
100 Cubic Diodes

The Propulsion System
1,000,000 Credits
60 Carbides
1,000 Cryotic
30 Orokin Cells
20,000 Nano Spores

The Port Nacelle
1,000,000
60 Carbides
5,000 Circuits
27,000 Alloy Plates
200 Control Modules

The Starboard Nacelle
1,000,000 Credits
100 Pustrels
500 Fieldron Samples
50 Morphics
35 Neurodes

The Tail Section
1,000,000 Credits
80 Copernics
10,000 Ferrite
4,500 Polymer Bundles
15 Argon Crystals

The Engine Cowling
1,000,000 Credits
40 Copernics
5000 Detonite Ampules
10,000 Ferrite
10,000 Salvage

Each of these components to the Railjack also require a 12 Hour Waiting time for the repiar to finish, and you cannot continue the Rising Tide storyline any further until the process is finished.

I ♥♥♥♥ a lot on the game and that includes the arbitrary grind that DE puts out with obnoxious amounts and the stupidity that is daily reputation limits (getting Garuda took days, and it wasn't by my choice to do it slowly, I was simply being punished for not caring about Fortuna previously), but aside from the copernics, carbides, pustrels and cubic diodes (since I don't really know what those are), the other materials are things I just have lying around. My ferrite and nano spores are on the millions, my salvage, polymer, plastids and pretty much any other medium rarity resource is at the mark of half-million, detonite ampules, fieldron samples and mutagen samples are things nearly every player also has stacked on their inventory due to invasions giving already built versions of them without the 24h wait time, which then leads to the only thing I can agree is annoying, which is each component requiring 12 hours, since by this point of the game, crafting times are a remnant from a time when they were actually necessary for people to not rush through what little content the game had. I can't, with a straight face, say that this game doesn't have enough """content""" for the crafting times to still be on the levels of half a day, a day, or even three days.

[Meewec]

Opprinnelig skrevet av saporob:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Leliel:

Yeah, wanted to have fun space battles but the cost is staggering, even for a vet like me its A LOT to ask

I haven't seen that yet, can you give some numbers? what do you need to fly or space combats?

if you want your own ship it's fairly expensive depending on how long you've played. if you just want to play all you need is an archwing to be eligible to be a crewman. as far as i know you'll still earn all the same rewards even if you haven't built a ship and it appears that the newer resources for building the parts are used and aquireable during these missions.

[Gouf]

Grinding before get to play the content, Warframe players loves it

[tony24680]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Who Killed Captain Alex?:

Grinding before get to play the content, Warframe players loves it

It's ridiculous to say warframe players love the grind. Nobody "loves" grinding.

But it is what it is and whining about it isn't going to change anything.