Warframe

Warframe

查看统计:
Drastical1991 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 2:29
G.D.P.R
As warframe, Digital extremes do not conduct the europain regulations and not respect The players private account information/Personal data, Since they can block you for what ever reason, but they will not show you proof that caused the punishment, Or any information or so, infact they insta block you every acces to there websites or support ticket, There for i rather wanna ask qeustions about this And bring this under attention, Cause digital extreme mostly Removes Negative Feed back, But this can actaully Cause that Warframe wont be accesable from europain union.
< >
正在显示第 16 - 30 条,共 38 条留言
Meewec 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 5:11 
引用自 Drastical1991
That's not what "personal data" means, OP. The GDPR puts regulations on the online collection and distribution of users' personally identifying information, such as name, email address, web search history/habits, and so forth. For the most part, it just means that game developers must explicitly specify in their Privacy Policy what data is collected and how it is used. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with punitive measures like account bans or in-game chat records.

actaully Bill history falls under that regulation, Wich is also my case since its has 2350 Euro invested in. and my credit info is also on that account, There for it falls under that regulation,

This went also down on Rainbow 6, geuss what happend,
just because they have personal data of yours doesn't make every single interaction you've had with them personal data.
KIREEK 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 5:14 
If you specifically say that under G.D.P.R laws you want the information you requested, they are indeed obligated to provide that info under 30 days.
They do try to speed up tickets by not really checking much or refusing to do so, however as soon you demand it as a european citizen, they will have to drag on the issue and provide what you want.

Other companies have similar support behavior but as soon something that serious happens, they comply.

If you believe they are not obeying to such laws, you need to provide an actuall support message stating that you want said information and the reply from support saying they refuse to give said information.
If you don't have proof, this entire topic is pointless.
最后由 KIREEK 编辑于; 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 5:40
Drastical1991 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 8:15 
引用自 KIREEKPSO
If you specifically say that under G.D.P.R laws you want the information you requested, they are indeed obligated to provide that info under 30 days.
They do try to speed up tickets by not really checking much or refusing to do so, however as soon you demand it as a european citizen, they will have to drag on the issue and provide what you want.

Other companies have similar support behavior but as soon something that serious happens, they comply.

If you believe they are not obeying to such laws, you need to provide an actuall support message stating that you want said information and the reply from support saying they refuse to give said information.
If you don't have proof, this entire topic is pointless.

Lucky for me i got proof and recorded Every ticket/Approach of me that i've done past few 18 months towards Digital extremes, I've made from every Submit ticket a screen shot, And in my account As you logg in the websites, You can see the history of actions that you have done (unfortunaly the main account they blocked acces to even check into the account details)
but lucky for me i already recorded that before they blocked it totaly.
Midnight 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 8:24 
Even if you could somehow force DE to provide you with all data associated with your ban (dunno what you did, chat logs maybe?) what do you then intend to do with it?

The ban will still stand. Do you want to contest the ban? How would you contest it? DE has every right to ban you and GDPR has nothing to do with it.

You can however request that they completely wipe your account and personal information.
The Big Brzezinski 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 8:33 
If DE no longer whats to do business with you for a non-prohibited reason, that's that. I'd recommend consulting a lawyer to learn what rights exactly the GDPR provides for you. You're not gonna learn anything certain in this thread, that's for sure.
Incunabulum 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 8:52 
引用自 Drastical1991
As warframe, Digital extremes do not conduct the europain regulations and not respect The players private account information/Personal data, Since they can block you for what ever reason, but they will not show you proof that caused the punishment, Or any information or so, infact they insta block you every acces to there websites or support ticket, There for i rather wanna ask qeustions about this And bring this under attention, Cause digital extreme mostly Removes Negative Feed back, But this can actaully Cause that Warframe wont be accesable from europain union.

1. Good. GDPR is so horrible a bit of legislation that European governments have exempted themselves from compliance - because its 'too hard' for them.

2. This actually has nothing to do with GDPR.
No_Quarter (已封禁) 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 9:48 
I totally cannot see why DE banned the OP, not even a slight clue....
KIREEK 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 11:32 
Actually, there is a story on reddit that gained traction, because support of a game (can't remember which one) banned some players because the system detected some sort of unallowed program and that means the accounts were banned forever, with no appeal and so all bans weren't reversed.

A programer asked under the GDPR, for support to deliver the program that was caught under the radar, because while most may think it was something normal like cheat engine, the programer knew something was wrong because he didn't have anything of the sort.

After some dialogue with support, they finnaly revealed the program that was caught by the blacklist and this was given in a raw format, so nothing like cheatengine.exe, far from it.

The programer was able to identify the mistake because he recognized the hash, it seems along the lines of getting the list of running processes, something went wrong because it was including something in the black list that wasn't supposed to be there.

The programer and the other players affected were unbanned afterwards, you know for something that was initially permanent, with no chances to appeal and unreversable.

OP might be in a similar boat, yes, you can request this information, but even if you get it, try and get google ready to search for the hash meaning as it might be something harmless (and a mistake) or it can be something obvious like cheat engine.

So yes, similar to past cases, you can request info under the GDPR laws, you can request what they had on you and to provide the program that was detected.

I'm saying this based on past experiences i saw, DE isn't the only company making games, other companies also have support and there have been previous situations where players actually managed to get the info, altough being an european user helps alot.

DE can ban for whatever motive they want, however, they can't just make this a habbit or neglet it, you don't want to show to the world that you ban for your own mistakes, that doesn't give great publicity to your company, that is why they try to back up the bans with atleast something.
If you (OP) believe that they made a mistake, seek out the info and show it.

I just hope this doesn't turn out to be a huge disapointment with "i left cheatengine64.exe open" or something like that.
最后由 KIREEK 编辑于; 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 11:33
Azure Fang 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 11:51 
引用自 KIREEKPSO
I just hope this doesn't turn out to be a huge disapointment with "i left cheatengine64.exe open" or something like that.
Little late to the party. OP revealed in a reply that his ban reason was for harassing players and staff.
Incunabulum 2019 年 12 月 12 日 下午 12:31 
引用自 KIREEKPSO
Actually, there is a story on reddit that gained traction, because support of a game (can't remember which one) banned some players because the system detected some sort of unallowed program and that means the accounts were banned forever, with no appeal and so all bans weren't reversed. . .

Was your mother's uncle's best friend from college's roomate's sister involved?
talkingmute 2019 年 12 月 12 日 下午 12:34 
The GDPR doesn't have anything to do with them suspending or banning your account. Your personal information has nothing to do with and is in no way linked to any reason you've received action against your account. You're grasping at straws and obviously didn't read the TOS and EULA (the thing you signed "I have read and agree" for when you made your account).

If you're actually serious about pursuing legal action, you're going about it the wrong way. Also not only are you completely in the wrong, they did nothing to wrong to the GDPR (nothing about this has even anything to do with personal information).

Best thing you can do is talk to them like a human being. I've have my account suspended for a misunderstanding that I had no control over, but I submitted a ticket and treated them with respect and things were fine. Get in touch and see if you can start back from the beginning (and don't try to piss them off this time). When you throw around accusations and demands no one is going to want to help you and I'm sure they'd rather spend the time helping someone else. One more thing, run your messages through a spell check as if your posts are anything to go by you're making things hard to read.

Also discussing disciplinary action is against the TOS (I actually read it) so don't be surprised when this thread gets locked.
最后由 talkingmute 编辑于; 2019 年 12 月 12 日 下午 12:36
tony24680 2019 年 12 月 12 日 下午 3:45 
Not defending DE or anything OP so please understand without assuming I'm some "white knight" here. DE does some ♥♥♥♥ they know they shouldn't but this isn't "really" the case here.

You apparently have a misunderstanding of what the GDPR is, means, and what it protects for you. It protects your "Personally Identifying Data", PID, from being used against your will or without your permission.

Now a PID is things such as your name, address, phone, bank account info, website history, screen names online, IP address: these are all PID's that the GDPR protects you from being used by other people. That example you gave of a programmer being banned and asked under GDPR for their reason, under GDPR law DE didn't have to show it to him. They could have just deleted all the info on their end and that would be in accordance with GDPR law. They must have seen their dumb mistake and unbanned the people.

Regardless you stated that DE banned you for harassing people and staff, I assume on the forum, which is a violation of TOS and EULA everywhere. Now you want to impose GDPR to say they have to show you proof of what you did and their specific reason for banning you. The simple answer is under GDPR they don't have to do anything for you except delete all your info.

You went and apparently talked smack on a forum or chat, which is considered a public place so whatever you did or said is public and not protected under GDPR, and now you want answers. For all I know you did absolutely nothing wrong and said nothing bad, I know DE dosen't like haters, I have yet to see proof myself of that, just internet rumors now, but you did so in public. Which if you get permabanned for constructive criticism that's one thing. But if you're just being an asshat that's on you.

So OP under GDPR DE owes you nothing. sorry. It's crap but it is what it is.
最后由 tony24680 编辑于; 2019 年 12 月 12 日 下午 3:46
KIREEK 2019 年 12 月 12 日 下午 4:06 
引用自 tony24680
The simple answer is under GDPR they don't have to do anything for you except delete all your info.

He's trying to gather the info they have that caused the suspension, i don't know how he talked to support (probably not a light tone way given support reaction), but he can request this data, because if a company provides a service in the EU, they need to comply with these requests.
If this data is requested, i believe the company has 30 days to respond and one thing they can't do is delete the data, as that is an instant fine.

Support and DE likely know this, they aren't stupid to the point of deleting requested data, i'm just mentioning this to you so you understand, for players this might be peanuts, we have almost nothing to lose, but if you work at a company you can't be careless like that.
tony24680 2019 年 12 月 12 日 下午 4:13 
引用自 KIREEKPSO
引用自 tony24680
The simple answer is under GDPR they don't have to do anything for you except delete all your info.

He's trying to gather the info they have that caused the suspension, i don't know how he talked to support (probably not a light tone way given support reaction), but he can request this data, because if a company provides a service in the EU, they need to comply with these requests.
If this data is requested, i believe the company has 30 days to respond and one thing they can't do is delete the data, as that is an instant fine.

Support and DE likely know this, they aren't stupid to the point of deleting requested data, i'm just mentioning this to you so you understand, for players this might be peanuts, we have almost nothing to lose, but if you work at a company you can't be careless like that.

Explain to me if my understanding is wrong here, but GDPR data would not include forum posts, to my understanding. PID's is all he can request and all that is protected. Forum posts are public. Please specify for me cause I'm American and I wish we had laws like GDPR here. Will never happen but one can dream.
KIREEK 2019 年 12 月 12 日 下午 4:48 
引用自 tony24680

Explain to me if my understanding is wrong here, but GDPR data would not include forum posts, to my understanding. PID's is all he can request and all that is protected. Forum posts are public. Please specify for me cause I'm American and I wish we had laws like GDPR here. Will never happen but one can dream.

Forums posts is different, i honestly don't know what kind of data he wants to see, if it's ingame chat logs, forums logs,.....
But he can request those, assuming he does politely and makes it clear that he is an european user and wants that info that was collected.

But, was he clear about the request? because i honestly don't know, did support know that he was european, did support know after he stated the 1st time or did he flipped the table after that 1st ticket?

I feel like OPs intention are ok, but he may have gone the wrong way, for example, he can't receive help if he insults support, ppl won't be friendly that way.

DE did update the privacy policy to comply with GDPR some time ago: https://www.warframe.com/privacy

An in there there is a field stating the following
Your rights
Right of Access
You have the right to view a copy of the personal data we store on you free of charge.
and
How to Exercise Your Rights

You can exercise your rights by contacting our Support page or by using the “How to contact us” section below. We satisfy these requests within one month upon receipt of your request. If the request affects the rights and privacy of others we reserve the right to refuse to act on the request. If your request is manifestly unfounded or excessive, we reserve the right to charge a reasonable fee or to refuse to act on the request.

Please note that we may need to request information from you to confirm your identity and establish your entitlement to these rights.

They can do this for non EU citizens, but they can decline aswell (most likely) and there is nothing you can do.
最后由 KIREEK 编辑于; 2019 年 12 月 12 日 下午 4:50
< >
正在显示第 16 - 30 条,共 38 条留言
每页显示数: 1530 50

发帖日期: 2019 年 12 月 12 日 上午 2:29
回复数: 38