is the bramma/zarr/ogris ruining the balance?

[sL Ug]

I feel like erasing everything under lvl 180 with a one click explosive is like the opposite reasoning behind all the nerfs they've done up to this point. You could say the new eximus rework is suppose to be a response to that but I'd say that didn't really work since a crit/hunter munitions build still melts almost anything with a few shots. Also explosions go though walls so what's the point of using anything else? As long as one person in the squad brings one, they kill everything before anyone else can aim. That's a weird idea of balance.

[PJ]

turkeypotpie の投稿を引用：

And let's say people leave the game because they don't like the game's balance, are they also irrelevant?
Can't please everyone.

Yes.

[Sceles]

z の投稿を引用：

I feel like it's an insult to the devs to say that they aren't aiming for some semblance of balance, maybe things will be different in the near future.

I guess you haven't used the new Incarnon weapons. The last unlock completely breaks them, especially Laetum because it's AoE. Power creep at its finest.

I've played WF since 2013 so I know how exactly how bad the power creep is. When Plains was released Catchmoon used to be OP and it was the most used gun. Now it's been completely overshadowed by newer additions.

[Erei]

Imagine that, Bramma was nerfed. Some people are still salty and think it was uncessary.
About a month or 2 after is release, 40% of active players used one.

The issue is not the weapon so much (it kinda is), it's just a horde shooter and you either pick a single target weapon or a WMD. And they both have the same DPS to boot. Actually, some AoE have better DPS, but a long shot.

Sceles の投稿を引用：

I guess you haven't used the new Incarnon weapons. The last unlock completely breaks them, especially Laetum because it's AoE. Power creep at its finest.

I've played WF since 2013 so I know how exactly how bad the power creep is. When Plains was released Catchmoon used to be OP and it was the most used gun. Now it's been completely overshadowed by newer additions.

To be fair you have to unlock the secondary fire, it's limited "time" and the primary is kinda garbage. At least on the phenmor.

Bramma/zarr is always "on". So is my arca plasmor, and it one/2shot most SP enemies, except for heavy gunners and eximus.

[sL Ug]

CHAMPAGNE の投稿を引用：

But it's fun tho

yeah true

[sL Ug]

Sceles の投稿を引用：

z の投稿を引用：

I feel like it's an insult to the devs to say that they aren't aiming for some semblance of balance, maybe things will be different in the near future.

I guess you haven't used the new Incarnon weapons. The last unlock completely breaks them, especially Laetum because it's AoE. Power creep at its finest.

I've played WF since 2013 so I know how exactly how bad the power creep is. When Plains was released Catchmoon used to be OP and it was the most used gun. Now it's been completely overshadowed by newer additions.

I see people still using bramma ogris zarr more than the incarnon weapons

[sL Ug]

PJ の投稿を引用：

turkeypotpie の投稿を引用：

And let's say people leave the game because they don't like the game's balance, are they also irrelevant?
Can't please everyone.

Yes.

players who contribute the most in terms of time and money are the ones with the most valuable opinions since they are the ones responsible for keeping this game afloat

[TheMetalCorpser]

z の投稿を引用：

I see people still using bramma ogris zarr more than the incarnon weapons

Same. Not sure if they just don't care about those or those people haven't gotten around to farming them. Last upgrade for the gun incarnons are amazing but it takes work to get them to that point where as the other three you just need to kill a lich to get one. That and unlike the incarnon weapons you don't need to build up headshots just use the weapon right off the bat at full potential.

[Aesthier]

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PJ の投稿を引用：

Yes.

players who contribute the most in terms of time and money are the ones with the most valuable opinions since they are the ones responsible for keeping this game afloat

Perhaps or perhaps it's the players that stream and youtube, perhaps it was the founders, perhaps it is the new players that actually stick around, perhaps it is the players who make well thought out detailed posts who's suggestions would add to the game in an efficient manner (requiring little work on DE's part) that minimizes the negative impact on the rest of the playerbase, or perhaps every player has their own individual opinion and none are greater than any others since in the end it is ONLY DE's opinion that matters.

While the opinion you expressed does make sound logical sense to me what also makes sound logical sense is players who have invested enough time or money in the game to accomplish everything they came for, and/or are at the point where they no longer find challenge or enjoyment from it, to simply move on without demanding that it be turned into a game other than what it is. Unfortunately players just feel to passionate and entitled to admit to themselves that perhaps it is time to hang up the game and find another.

Another thing to take note of is if you really want to make a point to DE about how the game should change then make it by stating what you thinks needs change and then stop playing the game altogether.

That impacts their bottom line on both sides as you are no longer purchasing and they are no longer able to count you as actively playing to investors.

[sL Ug]

Aesthier の投稿を引用：

z の投稿を引用：

While the opinion you expressed does make sound logical sense...

I don't make the rules- money makes the world go round whether any of us like it or not

[sL Ug]

TheMetalCorpser の投稿を引用：

z の投稿を引用：

I see people still using bramma ogris zarr more than the incarnon weapons

Same. Not sure if they just don't care about those or those people haven't gotten around to farming them. Last upgrade for the gun incarnons are amazing but it takes work to get them to that point where as the other three you just need to kill a lich to get one. That and unlike the incarnon weapons you don't need to build up headshots just use the weapon right off the bat at full potential.

this is where people will be forced to choose if they want warframe to be difficult or easy, since the grind will end up being the same for most things

[PJ]

z の投稿を引用：

PJ の投稿を引用：

Yes.

players who contribute the most in terms of time and money are the ones with the most valuable opinions since they are the ones responsible for keeping this game afloat

They left, remember? They're not contributing anything anymore. So, by your own logic, they've made themselves irrelevant.

[sL Ug]

PJ の投稿を引用：

z の投稿を引用：

players who contribute the most in terms of time and money are the ones with the most valuable opinions since they are the ones responsible for keeping this game afloat

They left, remember? They're not contributing anything anymore. So, by your own logic, they've made themselves irrelevant.

you can't know who still plays this game and who spends money on it even if you claim to have 'sources' you don't know where their money comes from exactly
i would know since I've spent over 3k usd and 10k hours and im not a founder
if they weren't making money the game wouldn't exist so clearly people are sticking around and still spending money
just because some youtube videos claiming 'everyone' left the game doesn't make it true

[PJ]

z の投稿を引用：

PJ の投稿を引用：

They left, remember? They're not contributing anything anymore. So, by your own logic, they've made themselves irrelevant.

you can't know who still plays this game and who spends money on it even if you claim to have 'sources' you don't know where their money comes from exactly
i would know since I've spent over 3k usd and 10k hours and im not a founder
if they weren't making money the game wouldn't exist so clearly people are sticking around and still spending money
just because some youtube videos claiming 'everyone' left the game doesn't make it true

You don't know that either, and I don't really care. People stop and start playing games all the time, and warframe is infamous for people taking long breaks and coming back.

Also, it's possible for whales to have absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ opinions. Happens all the time in fact. They get this dumb idea in their head that because they spent a lot of money on a game, that somehow their ideas are good. What kinda dumbo thinks that makes sense?

[sL Ug]

PJ の投稿を引用：

z の投稿を引用：

you can't know who still plays this game and who spends money on it even if you claim to have 'sources' you don't know where their money comes from exactly
i would know since I've spent over 3k usd and 10k hours and im not a founder
if they weren't making money the game wouldn't exist so clearly people are sticking around and still spending money
just because some youtube videos claiming 'everyone' left the game doesn't make it true

You don't know that either, and I don't really care. People stop and start playing games all the time, and warframe is infamous for people taking long breaks and coming back.

Also, it's possible for whales to have absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ opinions. Happens all the time in fact. They get this dumb idea in their head that because they spent a lot of money on a game, that somehow their ideas are good. What kinda dumbo thinks that makes sense?

is that not how the world works?

[PJ]

z の投稿を引用：

PJ の投稿を引用：

You don't know that either, and I don't really care. People stop and start playing games all the time, and warframe is infamous for people taking long breaks and coming back.

Also, it's possible for whales to have absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ opinions. Happens all the time in fact. They get this dumb idea in their head that because they spent a lot of money on a game, that somehow their ideas are good. What kinda dumbo thinks that makes sense?

is that not how the world works?

No.