is the bramma/zarr/ogris ruining the balance?

[sL Ug]

I feel like erasing everything under lvl 180 with a one click explosive is like the opposite reasoning behind all the nerfs they've done up to this point. You could say the new eximus rework is suppose to be a response to that but I'd say that didn't really work since a crit/hunter munitions build still melts almost anything with a few shots. Also explosions go though walls so what's the point of using anything else? As long as one person in the squad brings one, they kill everything before anyone else can aim. That's a weird idea of balance.

[Nibbie]

It's not like you can't do the same with half a dozen warframe powers.

[sL Ug]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jay:

I remember when i was doing a Mutalist Alad V sortie with Ivara's Artemis Bow build + Marurai Void Strike and some niche Arcanes but nowadays just spamming Kuva Zarr/Orgris is more than enough lol

That's the problem, since most levels most players will encounter will be low enough to be quickly erased with far reaching explosives, then there is literally no point to choosing anything else because the mission is over already

[sL Ug]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Demian DeVile:

The Ogris shoots everywhere, the Brama have realy little ammo.

They took out self damage cause no one was playing expolsiv weapons, and explosive weapons are range damage dealer. So they can stay as they are play them if you like or don't do if you don't.
In the end you can play the game only with friend or solo so no one will "steal" your kills.

tbh the mmo aspect of the game is a huge selling point for me

[Daegon]

It's funny how DE nerfed so many meta builds but refuse to nerf this aoe meta which it's the worst meta that this game had.

[Mr. Smiles]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Daegon:

It's funny how DE nerfed so many meta builds but refuse to nerf this aoe meta which it's the worst meta that this game had.

*Atterax + maiming strike has entered the chat.*

[jojokaizer]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mr. Smiles:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Daegon:

It's funny how DE nerfed so many meta builds but refuse to nerf this aoe meta which it's the worst meta that this game had.

*Atterax + maiming strike has entered the chat.*

that is NO where near as bad as kuva bramma or zarr spam.

[Mr. Smiles]

Diposting pertama kali oleh jojokaizer:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mr. Smiles:

*Atterax + maiming strike has entered the chat.*

that is NO where near as bad as kuva bramma or zarr spam.

Before the melee rework? Being able to clear the room plus the adjacent rooms with a spin whip was pretty bad.

[jojokaizer]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mr. Smiles:

Diposting pertama kali oleh jojokaizer:

that is NO where near as bad as kuva bramma or zarr spam.

Before the melee rework? Being able to clear the room plus the adjacent rooms with a spin whip was pretty bad.

and what is it now? you aim a the floor and the whole room blows up. there is literally zero work involved now. at least with maming strike spin to win, you have to actually play the game. there is no comparison, aoe meta now is way worse than it was with the whips.

[Mr. Smiles]

Diposting pertama kali oleh jojokaizer:

and what is it now? you aim a the floor and the whole room blows up. there is literally zero work involved now. at least with maming strike spin to win, you have to actually play the game. there is no comparison, aoe meta now is way worse than it was with the whips.

If you really want to out dps the meta kids, just run a explosive legerdemain mirage. Hard to blow anything up when it dies on spawn, this even out kils/dps a saryn, as she can't keep spores up.

And all you do is push 2.

[jojokaizer]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mr. Smiles:

Diposting pertama kali oleh jojokaizer:

and what is it now? you aim a the floor and the whole room blows up. there is literally zero work involved now. at least with maming strike spin to win, you have to actually play the game. there is no comparison, aoe meta now is way worse than it was with the whips.

Of you really want to out dps the meta kids, just run a explosive legerdemain mirage. Hard to blow anything up when it does on spawn, this even out kils/dps a sarym, as she can't keep spores up.

And all you do is push 2.

I don't think you understand what the subject matter is. the aoe guns are allowing this to happen, it needs to be nerfed or balanced. just as energy and frame energy econ all needs to be balanced. nuking should always be frame abilities that are high cost and requires specific builds. not weapons that can be spammed.

[Mr. Smiles]

Diposting pertama kali oleh jojokaizer:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mr. Smiles:

Of you really want to out dps the meta kids, just run a explosive legerdemain mirage. Hard to blow anything up when it does on spawn, this even out kils/dps a sarym, as she can't keep spores up.

And all you do is push 2.

I don't think you understand what the subject matter is. the aoe guns are allowing this to happen, it needs to be nerfed or balanced. just as energy and frame energy econ all needs to be balanced. nuking should always be frame abilities that are high cost and requires specific builds. not weapons that can be spammed.

My point is that even if they did something like bringing back aoe self damage, the meta would just shift to the next worst thing. And with power creep, it will be just as bad or worse. There is no fixing the (insert current op meta here) problem because finding a cheap way of clearing content is what warfarm players do, and DE is in the business of letting it happen.

[jojokaizer]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mr. Smiles:

Diposting pertama kali oleh jojokaizer:

I don't think you understand what the subject matter is. the aoe guns are allowing this to happen, it needs to be nerfed or balanced. just as energy and frame energy econ all needs to be balanced. nuking should always be frame abilities that are high cost and requires specific builds. not weapons that can be spammed.

My point is that even if they did something like bringing back aoe self damage, the meta would just shift to the next worst thing. And with power creep, it will be just as bad or worse. There is no fixing the (insert current op meta here) problem because finding a cheap way of clearing content is what warfarm players do, and DE is in the business of letting it happen.

the problem already has a fix in the game. it's called limited aoe options. guns like stahlta and trumma are perfect examples. why did they nerf spin to win? why did maiming strike get nerfed? cause it was broken. if they followed your mindset, nothing would have ever been changed. and the game would be abandoned at this point. THERE has nothing in the history of warframe as bad as the current aoe weapon issue. yet nothing is done cause DE doesn't want to piss people off. that's the real problem.

[GreatPalm]

balance?

[Garble]

Personally I think the guns themselves aren't really unhealthy, they've each got their quirks to deal with.
But when you have the hunter munitions builds, the question of balance starts to creep in, still I think it's okay.
I only think it becomes REALLY unhealthy when you throw on firestorm too, primed or not.

[TheMetalCorpser]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Mr. Smiles:

If you really want to out dps the meta kids, just run a explosive legerdemain mirage. Hard to blow anything up when it dies on spawn, this even out kils/dps a saryn, as she can't keep spores up.

And all you do is push 2.

That only works in lower lvl maps. The moment the enemies start breaching 60-70+ that doesn't really kill but it still helps weaken or stagger enemies.

Not gonna lie though spamming WF abilities feels just as boring as using those three guns. It's why I try to use abilities sparsely unless forced to spam out of survival on SP missions.