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Just how lazy can someone be? All those who didn't do that before, unless they just started playing the game recently, have no excuse. Not even "my PC can't support it well", my friend with double my hours has a crappy laptop that takes 3 to 4 hours to even turn on, runs the game at low resolution and yet had 0 problems.
Yeah it only syndicate items weren't piss cheap already.
It stacks pretty well, 5$ worth of plat in a week for few random missions average Warframe player would play anyway, tho if you disagree you should at least stand by it by taking off your sigils as it is not worth it to you....
Infinite farm would truly bring those items to dirt cheap so farming syndicates would be pointless.
Have not seen this week's challenges yet, but I am already hyped about it!
Gonna carry a lot of newbies trough that so if someone needs it...
https://warframe.market/items/phoenix_renewal
https://warframe.market/items/accumulating_whipclaw
https://warframe.market/items/safeguard
https://warframe.market/items/eternal_war
This is overstatement, even the best auguments worth just about nothing, even less than corrupted mods, which you can farm as much as you like.
It's not like High voltage and shell shock farming made them incredibly cheap.
Man, your optimism is really something else, good luck with it.
Difference being you have to try to farm corrupted mods, for this you do not have to try and each syndicate has at least one very popular mod in it.
To add on top of it, if you have sigil on while doing vault runs you also get syndicate standing that will earn you some plat on top, better than none....
10p is not much if you look at one mod, but with Mr20+ you get 3 mods per 2 days on regular, people really seem to ignore the consistency of it and that you get 30-ish plat every 2 days and that is 100% drop chance with no RNG to it.
I did not say it is a fortune, but if you play for 100 days that is potential 1500+ plat on every single account in Warframe. 100% accounts Mr20+ will have that option. Lower Mr players get less, but for sake of math I used Mr20-ish to illustrate that is actually hella lot - not per item but per time and actual time investment into particular farm in not really existent - you just log in and play few missions you wanna do and you got your platinum 100%.
You invest time into farming arcanes, vault runs, high voltage, kuva for rivens, all the stuff but this just ticks bit by bit and piles up. Chromatic Blade and Mesa's Waltz probably being the most sold ones, like, I really have no idea how many of those I sold.
While arcane grind may give you poop for 5 nights straight - this still ticks.
Kuva is a dedication, yet you depend on RNG to get one of few good combos from about 40 000 of possible rolls to MAYBE get taht dream roll and then spend hours haggling with lowballers who call it "trash stat, best I can do is 50".
Syndicates are a constant and should not be ignored at all. It is 100% gain
What are you gonna tell me next, nobody cares about augur secrets too? They're in 50-80p range for a reason, and this is reason is high demand.
Yeah, no, doing vault run once is way faster than capping out syndicate standing, even for me, low MR scrub with just 500 hours, xd. Not to mention, you can do this unlimited amount of times per day. actually, this is how i got my auguments on certain frames, i just traded corrupted mods for them without even selling for plat first
Uh oh, you have to reach this MR first, can't believe you used this as argument. Also by this time you'll have pretty much anything, so why bother in the frist place.
What was the point of this again? Oh right, because you can get a some mediocre augument daily and sell it for some quick plat if you're high MR doesn't mean everyone should wait a month just to get one.
And any player strives to reach there one day and be stronger, that is point of looter games, you may not and it is fine to stay low and really burn your options of making platinum.
If you are not bothering with it - why do you have your sigils on? You are firmly against it, so take them down, all of them....
So far you said any syndicate in game is useless, Quills, Vox Solaris, Simaris.... Just buy stuff from them. I am really firm people will take your statements and follow up on it, they may just put on sigils as it is a passive farm and you are comparing apples to oranges really - you are not sitting and farming syndicate standing, you get it while doing sorties and stuff.
But you have a good point, never farm anything, always buy everything and make sure you limit your options of making platinum to the max by not ever ranking with any syndicates.
Great strategy, I am pretty sure that is end game in Warframe. Do not bother with it because Shazbot said so.
I really hope no one is that dumb to accept your troll advice and do it like that.
I am pretty sure you missed my point where I talked about time required to get those rare mods - super not worth it, syndicate mods win by a huge margin.
Condition Overload requires 5000-ish kills on Butchers on average. 23000 for nearly guaranteed drop. How much time you need for that? 60 plat, that is also me just logging in for two days and doing one of two ESO runs. Plus I get radiant relics for it, as opposed to hours and hours of camping on Ophellia Uranus and snoozing and MAYBE getting it.
Reason for it being that EVERYONE has syndicates and everyone does them. Price has settled to a decent spot while some people, minority, tryhard for Condition Overload and they just want to get their effort rewarded and finally be done with it so price drops faster, compared to syndicates where everyone does same effort, aka play the game, price will never drop below 10. And even 10 is a good price.
So I explained math for Mr 20 for the sake of it, let's make that math like 700-1500 plat per 100 login days for random dedicated player of like Mr12+ or so - and 1 hour of gameplay, sortie, fissure or two, whatever you do.
100 sorties net you around 1000-1500 plat worth of Ayatans and some rivens you may sell for cheap. That is average, not taking into account lucky ones as that is a spike.
That is 1700-3000 platinum per 3 months just from logging in and playing for 1 hour or so. Sortie drop rate of Ayatans pretty much guarantees that, 17 per month or so, take random primed mod from Baro, max it with those Ayatans and you are golden on the market even on quick-sell prices.
So I cannot really see why struggle to farm those 0.02% mods to MAYBE get ONE mod you can sell for 60-80, you need so many hours to do so it is simply loosing value of your time even compared to basic farm such as Sydicates and Sortie.
And many players are smart enough not to do it.
New players get hyped when they see that price of 80 plat, but once they spend hours getting nothing they figure out it is not worth it as Baro will bring those mods anyway (talking about double stat farm you mentioned). Arguably cheaper, if you buy prime trash it is cheaper than buying a mod. Baro inflates the price of it, if it was farm only then it would be a lot more, but why waste time....
Platinum per time played is your measure. Not high price, big number means ♥♥♥♥ if I need to do 300-400 Tridolon Hunts to max my Arcane Grace and Arcane Energize. At average rate of 3-4 per night you need 100 nights which is again that magic number of 100 hours. So even that farm is WORSE than just doing sorties and syndicates.
Sure it stacks alongside with it, but comparing your chances to get X amount of platinum in 100 hours is a solid way to place your bets properly and not fool around against the odds and likely waste time due to burnouts because in order to level your chances close to average ones - you need to be consistent with it and for example - it took you 23000 kills to get Condition Overload, you must not bail because once you manage to kill 500 000 Butchers your win ratio will be close to average 5000 kills. That is the only way to profit from those rare farms, at least in terms of platinum per time.
That is an extreme example but should work as a point on why rare farms are worse for making platinum and in which scenario they actually fit their actual price.
Vault runs have 1/3 chance to give you a good item, that is 6-10 minutes for 20-ish plat with an experienced team. They rule on average. But area an active farm and you will not do as many before you burn out.
Also you may do 20-25 vault runs without a single usable mod.
That is why I cannot see a reason AGAINST doing passive farms such as syndicate ones as it is 100% drop chance and whoever knows how math works in gambling - small win with higher chance is better over time.
Wow 2 WHOLE weeks?! How will you ever cope?
Odds of Shazbot(or any rational lad/lass) responding in a serious manner to 2x Essays worth of text(backed up by spouting, from seemingly nowhere, completely arbitrary numbers, statistics, declarations etc.) are looking pretty slim. Your stance in this debate and the methods you are employing to make your points are flawed. I say this not to "fight" "insult" etc. set your ego aside a moment: You are just not making much sense, and you are blocking criticism and doubt of all manner.
I know that if I want to have a constructive conversation with someone, I don't preach to them from a soapbox, I instead invite intelligent rebuttal wherever it's tasteful. Is that what you are doing? The way I see it, you're not inviting a response, instead you're saying as much as you can so as to pervert the topic into a slugfest of arbitrary reasoning and contrarianism with no real purpose or substance. Completely lacking in factual basis, objective analysis, or even a clear reason for so much text to be written anywhere. That is sincerely the issue with the majority of your arguments. If you feel attacked or that what I've written here should be grounds for my "3rd ban of the week" then just say so and I'll make sure I give you your safe space in the future.
But right now, you're in a public space and making a lot of "noise".
Typically when people write THIS MUCH it is because they are saying many things that are difficult to explain without going into detail. The detail here in your argument is nearly non-existent; you've taken a "by volume" stance to arguing rather than "by the flow of logic" which is just a tragedy because anyone motivated to sit here and type out THAT MUCH text should at least put some thought to it... That's how brilliance is spawned. You are on the cusp of brilliance and lose out due to the attitude taken: that if you don't "flood" the other person with your comment that you will not stand to "win" which is a horrible reason to argue in the first place. That is one thing about you that I've observed, which just sickens me. You have no self-awareness to the fact that you love to troll others and corrupt any semblance of a real debate. This is a real criticism of you, not a jab at your inflated ego. Take it at face value. I know I'd get better with these kinds of things.
tl;dr:
The ability for anyone to seriously interject to what you've written is taken away by the subjective nature of all of the precedents used in your argument, which are completely muddled by an inability to mesh together all of these ideas into a cohesive statement or real argument.
I do not appreciate your lack of experience in this area nor your long ass posts, this is your ordinary here and now vs long term investment of time, except long term is not really worth it because you're paying with your time anyway, at least vault runs are less time consuming and will grant near instan result. seriously, i'm not willing to read your walls of text if you can't explain your point in one or two sencences
That 20-25 runs per single usable mod is bullshit too, at least half of loot table is usuable, some mods such as transistent fortitude and blind rage are relatively expensive too.
I'm gonna get banned for this post probably, but retarded playerbase has never made any game better.