Warframe.market should do something about reputation

[Namename]

Long story short, people get high rep then sell at scammy prices. Not going to name names, but I've seen a dude with high reputation manage to sell sets like saryn and vauban prime for 400p. Some people might want to act like reputation doesn't matter, but it does. There are some buyers who use the sort by reputation function, so they will see the high prices of the players with high rep before they see the lower prices of the players with low rep. Warframe.market should do something like capping rep at 70 or something because players with high rep barely have any competition right now, at least compared to players with lower rep.

[Knight Wolfe]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Namename:

Made a post about it on the reddit and forums. Got removed from the reddit by some mod because it 'wasn't related to warframe' and got blasted on the forums by people telling me it ins't an issue.

They are correct.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Namename:

As for me making a bad deal, nope. Just a dude calling out scammy practices.

Sigh, seeing as it was missed:
2013: Warframe created and offered to the public to play
2013: Warframe market created and offered to the public

Both have been around for damn near 10 years. The economy has been fine. Of course if you want a market that fills all your needs then I recommend you look at the Riven Market, and ignore how it was/how it is run how you want and that economy is utterly horrid.

[Papa Shekels]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Namename:

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So if people are stupid enough to be scammed by a stupid scam we should just leave them to be scammed? A better idea is to prevent the scammers from taking advantage of people's naivete in the first place

Yeah, we should. If basic common sense fails, the game has *multiple* safeguards preventing anybody from scams or even unreasonably bad deals. Warframe market is a third-party site that has 0 obligation to hold your hand, but does so anyway. And yet, despite all that, people still keep falling for it. Look at CS:GO, that's real money at stake and not some plat that can be farmed in half an hour, and people still fall for the simplest ♥♥♥♥ when steam holds your hand twice as hard as warframe. Not to mention there are guides on how not to get scammed everywhere you look. And, again, common sense. If all this excessive help is not enough for people, NOTHING else will. There's no point throwing away perfectly good resources down a bottomless toilet

[Pakaku]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Namename:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Aesthier:

Well if a player is daft enough to sort by rep instead of sorting by price then that is something they leave themselves open to.

So if people are stupid enough to be scammed by a stupid scam we should just leave them to be scammed? A better idea is to prevent the scammers from taking advantage of people's naivete in the first place

The prices are all laid out in full public view on warframe.market, I don't know how else they could make it clearer. What are your ideas, what else are they supposed to be doing?

[PJ]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Namename:

There are some buyers who use the sort by reputation function.

Well.. the sort by price function is right there. If they don't use it then they got the price they deserve.

Yes, if they're dumb enough to do this to themselves, then they got 'scammed' and that's that. Why should I care that they're dumb?

Also capping rep wouldn't do anything. Then they would just get themselves 'scammed' by people with whatever the max rep is.

[Huillam]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ron:

Thus, capitalism...

It's a free market.

That's not enough to define capitalism. People started trading thousands of years before the concept of capitalism even existed.
That and the daily trade limitation has such an impact on trading that warframe system can't really be called a free market.

[PJ]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Huillam:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ron:

Thus, capitalism...

It's a free market.

That's not enough to define capitalism. People started trading thousands of years before the concept of capitalism even existed.
That and the daily trade limitation has such an impact on trading that warframe system can't really be called a free market.

"Capitalism is when people use money" is literally the limit of a lot of people's understanding.

[JJ, Professional Fool]

How can steam fix this?

[BananaBadman]

I'm kind of surprised anyone even looks at the rep counter.
There are enough safeguards in place during the trading process to make scamming a nonissue regardless of the seller's reputation. I'm sure most people on that site sort by price and pick the person on the top of the list.

The few geniuses that scroll through the sale listings and pick the massively overpriced item among the sea of fair prices because of a green number and a smiley face are going to waste all their money and platinum no matter what you do to help them. This is just the inevitable outcome of their inept buying practices.

[JellyFishMaka]

I get no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 😢 and 😢 stack no 😢 paper give 😢 cap 😢 on 😢 market 😢

[SandScorpion]

If people sort by rep, they deserve to pay at least four times the normal price. Let's call it a tax on idiocy.

[Mike Litoris]

I will answer kindly cause you're not 0 reputation on steam community and you feel concerned.
If you care about reputation on warframe.market, the best way is to contact warframe market. not steam community, not warframe, not reddit or social media.

Now i ask you to think and understand how trade works before you "give" some improvement to this site relly usefull for the players.
Community tell you here how it's not a scam and how your max cap reputation stilll can't work.
I will add you're the exact reason they're so high price on some items : cause you buy them

Close the post and go on relics if you care your lost platiniums. At least you get Saryn prime !?

[Pakaku]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von JJ, Professional Fool:

How can steam fix this?

It's not Valve's concern, it's not even DE's concern. WF Market is totally third-party, so if there was even any problem, it would be on the WF Market devs to fix. Of course, rep isn't an issue in the first place, so there's nothing really for them to do.

[Reijiro]

Warframe.market has got nothing to do with Warframe and Warframe devs probably don't want anything to do with it. So nothing will ever be done about it by them.
Also it's a non-issue. If people want to sell something at higher the price they can and they're not gonna harm anybody and if people want to buy from them because they feel like they can "trust" them, they're entitled to.
Actually I feel like it would be even easier to leave +rep so it would incentivize more people to do so and it would weed out a lot of incompetents who are just there to lose your time.

[Daliena]

Oy.. So what, if you're at a high reputation, you shouldn't be allowed to list an item for a higher than normal price or what?

Maybe it's an older listing from when the item(s in case of a set) used to be around that price. Or maybe they just list it high for whatever reason they wanted to. So what? If people sort purely by reputation, and either don't look -at all- at what the going price currently is or assume that the lower prices are all scammers, then what are we gonna do?

De-rep a player for again, possibly just having some old listing they forgot about? I feel like there needs to be -some- responsibility on part of the buyer too. Because no matter how iron-fistedly you try to rule and remove any "scams", something will slip through if you simply don't make the slightest effort yourself. It's a scam in the same way that it's a scam if you go to a market and buy a single banana for ten dollars, when there's a seller right next to the one you bought from selling them for half a dollar a pound but you assume that somehow that seller must be trying to cheat you.

[Gh0st.exe]

I agree with the majority here, while it definitly isnt a "noble" thing to do, it definitly isnt a scam either. Prices are 100% fully viewable and you also get shown exactly what is offered in return. And like many already said: Reputation on that site literally doesnt matter since they cant "decive" you ingame because you clearly get shown what gets traded for what.

Also, its been a bit since i last was on that site, but doesnt the reputationsystem simply depend on how many people give you thumbs up / down on that side? If so, what would stop people from just opening a bunch of alt-accounts and artificially upvoting their account for good rep? That alone would make it not the best choice to only go by rep alone...