Forma Sink Weapons and Vehicles are garbage

[Bilbo Laggins]

It takes ~100 forma to finish all Kuva weapons and necramechs. Since DE decided to nuke the fall PS forma rewards it is going to be much harder to acquire built forma in a reasonable amount of time. DE has essentially told players to pay money or deal with a 100 day time gate. It really should not take players 1/3 of a year to level up weapons that can be acquired in less than a month.

[tony24680]

I don't think many people are missing your point that forma need to be built. You build one every day. Like I said I use the phone app for that exact thing. Some thing a lot of people, especially new players and younger players, don't realize is that Warframe is a marathon, not a sprint.

There are what, 15 kuva weapons, the necramech and the paracisis that go to 40 to get all the MR out of it. And how many items are in the game that give MR? Like 700+. If somebody knows the number off hand, please correct me. And if your at the point to be doing lichs and necramech you should all ready have a supply of forma built.

Out of all the items possible, you just have to squeeze all the MR out of just these few? I only have 7 kuva weapons because I don't want any more and could really care less about MR. I'm probably MR27 by now but just don't feel like doing the tests because WHO CARES.

Remember, it's a marathon, not a sprint. Things take time in real life and in free to play games, unless you spend the cash.

[Flamboyant]

Publicado originalmente por Mr. Clean:

Publicado originalmente por Flamboyant:

And i would love to see that, so i would never have to look at riven's polarity and could easily fit whatever i want, however i want.

Inb4 u prolly one of those ppl who doesn't have maxed out basic mods yet still complains about "tHe gRiNd"
But back to the topic:
1)forma blueprints are incredibly easy to get from relics ( i mean bro, u can get a dozen in less than an hour), meaning u have to get em passively cus its free forma that u get every damn day.
2)If some specific weapon is blueballin u so hard and u feel that terrible itch while sitting in ur wet seat, u can simply buy 3 forma for 30pl ( fast forward those forma blueprints for 10pl, mad cheap anyways)

Do u really spend that many hours in eso just to lvl up stuff like its ur only mission ? Do u actually spend some time to enjoy what u just built and forma-d 5 times ? Like, cmon, u really forma em back to back so often that u run out of forma constantly ?

Yet you fail to realize that forma blueprints are USELESS unless they are BUILT. And that process takes 24 hours

Well, I c u never freakkin build it, cus if u did it daily and did not waste formas on every single PoS weapon u get ( most of it is called fodder for a reason ) you wouldn't have any problems with formas,

The guy right above me just dropped jewels ( like the majority of ppl told u ), just keep blaming then

[WZ]

Timegating is a problem, ok, sure, but that's for everything in this game
It's not just Forma or 5 Forma gear - it's weapons, frames, everything
This is "the price we pay" for the game being free
Some items are literally unobtainable until you log in 300+ days ^^
In terms of rubbish live service stuff this game does, 5 forma gear is peanuts
It's not some grand conspiracy to increase player spending
It's just DE confusing grind with fun, for the 200th+ time

The rank 40 system is bad only because it adds nothing of interest
It made some sort of sense for Paracesis, passive got stronger every time
It was unique and gave that weapon a bit of extra Oomph in terms of lore
For all the rest, it's just an annoying amount of extra grind for completionists
The appropriate response is simple: don't bother ranking these to 40
When they see no one bothers, maybe they'll stop

edit: did a full count out of curiosity, total = 966 forma spent ^^
still got 90 to spare, it's not a race indeed, take it easy

[GunsForBucks]

Honestly even after 4000+hrs I am forma poor... always used more than I could build and have spent stupid amounts of plat on forma.

I don't really mind doing it as I have dumped forma into any weapon I got a riven for just to see what I could make it do and tons of other stuff.

Nightwave is at least decent giving forma bundles and such.

The necramechs have a ton of mod slots to actually need that much forma and more.

The thing that really irks me a bit is the kuva weapons.. it is just way too much. Honestly it would be a lot better to me if they had a few extra mod slots. I would suggest any weapon that requires 5 forma get at least two extra mod slots. Even if the mod slots unlock with the fourth and fifth forma.

[Urazz]

This only seems like a complaint for completionists than anything else. Anyone only looking to get the required Mastery Ranking to be able to get everything only needs to get to MR 16 currently (the highest level requirement for some RIvens is 16), if I recall correctly. You can easily reach that without maxing out Necramechs and Kuva weapons.

[No_Quarter]

Publicado originalmente por Anzaman:

Publicado originalmente por No_Quarter:

I do know what they do, I am asking, why does that experience matter? Where?

Eh, fair enough - don't ask me tho, just yesterday reached MR 18, lol.

I'm so lazy with leveling up my stuff.

There is no difference, MR30 can be reached with and without it.
In fact it's much easier without it, and faster.

Kuva weapons are an obvious "end game" content, as such, they are slower to progress trough, it's a normal feature many games implement.

Now OP has one thing right but for wrong reasons - Forma is tight and DE just keep introducing more new ways to spend it without ever introducing a way to obtain it.
Ways that exist are no viable at best and down right insane when you look at them with a realistic eye.

Sure, making 35 platinum on the market takes 20 minutes at worst so it's not that bad.

But DE's monetization is not all sunshine and rainbows, they let us farm arcanes "easy" but you need 5-6 forma Necramech to do it as well as 3-4 forma weapon with it.

Still, point about 5 forma weapons is dumb as it can be, no one has to do it for any reasons and if they feel like they do then it's on them. Cause for me it took like 6 months to do that as I gave no ♥♥♥♥♥ about it, 3-4 forma is enough for a build with a riven.
One has issues of wanting gratification right now? it's on you. And being mad at DE about it is just immature imho.
Lanka needs 9 forma for a build worthy of Tridolons. That's 2 kuva weapons.
Mesa only recently got a prime, her regular build requires 5 forma on her and 5 on regulators, no one questioned that?
Khora, absolute meta for farming. Needs at least 5 for a decent build, Venari needs 6+ and Whipclaw statstick needs 5 more. imho that's a bit more obvious example where DE uses power creep to milk you for money but sure, use kuva weapons as an example.....
Titania Prime requires 6+ on her, and her pew pew's are 4-5 cause crit build is bad and using it wastes her potential (with crit build it's 7) and her melee is 3-4. That is 15 forma, she brought one of the best weapons in the game, Corinth Prime, 4-5 forma for a rivened build.

Atlas Prime got introduced recently, it's 4+ forma on him and you need 7 forma for his statstick as he is the only place where you can make use of Primed Heavy Trauma. So count 40k endo and 2 mil credits as well. imo worse than kuva weapons.

And somehow kuva weapons are an issue? They are LEAST of our issues with forma as they require less forma than your average build, WAY WAY less. But somehow that's not obvious?

If you are a mid level player you can do 2 forma on a kuva weapon and with extra capacity and your mods that are likely r8 or something you can fit them all in. That is amazing compared to Ignis for example....

[Thundercracker]

Publicado originalmente por Mr. Clean:

Putting in gear that takes 5 days to level. Until Paracesis was added the most you had to wait for a weapon was 36 hrs (dojo forma weapon + 12 hr craft time). Now there is a 100 day time gate to the old blood weapons. It was bearable before but in the span of a year DE has made forma twice as hard to acquire by getting rid of one of the bi annual PS built forma rewards and twice as valuable since the kuva weapons require at least just as much forma as all of the dojo weapons

incorrect. you still get MR exp every level to 30, just as with everything else. you dont HAVE to go to 40.

speaking of dojos, quite odd you're not talking about the time gates THERE. every single room, at the lowest cost, takes 1 forma (or as many as 15+ for large clans.) every single room then takes 12 or 24 hours to build. every decoration you build (not donated from a player) also will take 12-24 hours, and may even require forma.

then there's the research, which can take any number of really rare resources, a 3 day wait, a credit charge, then the actual build cost in time and resources of whatever blueprint you bought.

oh, and because you get the main BP in the labs, but then have to buy the parts from factions, archwing weapons have a even bigger gate than the MR40 weapons. especially considering that hard cap on daily faction standing gain.

[VerrucktMedic]

Okay so just throwing it out there. They won't be necessary for mastery rank 30 forever, like this is pretty temporary as obviously more weapons and frames will be added in the future that don't need this.

But regardless, if I recall correctly you get the majority of the mastery progress from going to level 30 and then a little more when doing the forma stuff.

[No_Quarter]

Publicado originalmente por VerrucktMedic:

Okay so just throwing it out there. They won't be necessary for mastery rank 30 forever, like this is pretty temporary as obviously more weapons and frames will be added in the future that don't need this.

But regardless, if I recall correctly you get the majority of the mastery progress from going to level 30 and then a little more when doing the forma stuff.

They are not needed for Mr30. You get 3k for lvl 30, 100 points per level and that continues up to lvl 40. So 16k MR exp is in them, not needed for mr30 one bit

[BurlsoL]

Publicado originalmente por Mr. Clean:

It really should not take players 1/3 of a year to level up weapons that can be acquired in less than a month.

It is not the intention of Devs for you to get them all in one go, but instead collect them over months of doing other things. You are meant to play the game longer than 4 months before being able to hit MR30. A forma a day for 4 months is a smaller commitment than some of the farming for rare drops or waiting for once-a-year events. You get more than enough blueprints from relic runs. You get plenty of relics doing random stuff. It is not the responsibility of the devs to correct for things when you are intentionally trying to play the game in a way they don't intend.

[TheSuit]

Publicado originalmente por Mystra4:

What do you mean by '100 day time gate'?

Also, you can get Forma BP's from relics,

I think his point is that you can only craft 1 forma at a time.

[>< V ><]

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Clearly...obviously...the introduction of 5 forma weapons and mechs is how DE is producing "new content." It's clearly trying to exploit some peoples desires to gain affinity.

I see no justification for 5 forma affinity other than trying to squeeze some more platinum out of people.

[No_Quarter]

Publicado originalmente por >< V ><:

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Clearly...obviously...the introduction of 5 forma weapons and mechs is how DE is producing "new content." It's clearly trying to exploit some peoples desires to gain affinity.

I see no justification for 5 forma affinity other than trying to squeeze some more platinum out of people.

I love how people assume game is made for veterans. It's not, no developer does it and very few updates are for that.

Game is made based on progression and it's not common to get all kuva weapons in 3 days and want to forma all of them and "be done". That is not how devs intend you to play the game.

[Bilbo Laggins]

Publicado originalmente por BurlsoL:

Publicado originalmente por Mr. Clean:

It really should not take players 1/3 of a year to level up weapons that can be acquired in less than a month.

It is not the intention of Devs for you to get them all in one go, but instead collect them over months of doing other things. You are meant to play the game longer than 4 months before being able to hit MR30. A forma a day for 4 months is a smaller commitment than some of the farming for rare drops or waiting for once-a-year events. You get more than enough blueprints from relic runs. You get plenty of relics doing random stuff. It is not the responsibility of the devs to correct for things when you are intentionally trying to play the game in a way they don't intend.

No the Devs have CHANGED the game to make built forma more scarce and more difficult to get

[Bilbo Laggins]

Publicado originalmente por No_Quarter:

Publicado originalmente por >< V ><:

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Clearly...obviously...the introduction of 5 forma weapons and mechs is how DE is producing "new content." It's clearly trying to exploit some peoples desires to gain affinity.

I see no justification for 5 forma affinity other than trying to squeeze some more platinum out of people.

I love how people assume game is made for veterans. It's not, no developer does it and very few updates are for that.

Game is made based on progression and it's not common to get all kuva weapons in 3 days and want to forma all of them and "be done". That is not how devs intend you to play the game.

The Kuva Lich content is the Liches. Not leveling the weapons themselves. It shouldn't take 5 times as long to level the gear acquired as it took for the player to attain it IMO