MR30 test question

[themousemaster]

So, I've seen the utter hatred people get from daring to bring this up, but I'm going to anyway, because reasons.

I'm at the point I can try the MR30 test, but the test itself doesn't seem to be condusive to most playstyles. I thought the "ultimate test" would be something more comprehensive than a DPS check, but it's not my game, DE can do what they want, no biggie.

The question I have is, after a number of failed attempts (and indeed, not even coming close), can I complete it without having to do any of the following:

Using Mesa (I can't stand playing that frame)
Using Saryn (I can't stand playing that frame)
Using Octavia's Pied Piper abilities
Relying on melee damage (I have never and will never like relying on Melee as a primary form of attack in ANY game that has guns. I play games with guns to fire guns; only using melee as a "backup".) That includes "pseudo melee" like having a Wukong pop out a melee clone.

I guess to put it another way:

Is there a way I can beat this using Firearms as a primary method, only having abilities and Melee as passive-bonus or Tactical roles?

I know I can knock off the bosses with operator + push, or if there is a melee weapon that can just force them off the stage, I wouldn't mind using melee for THAT purpose; tactical applications like that don't trigger my "why does a sword outpower a nuclear weapon" revulsion. Though I'd still rather blast'em off the side if given the choice.

But even with Nekros' increased drop chances, I can't keep the timer going long enough via Life Support drops.

I wouldn't mind the "kuva bramma + prime sure footed" idea I've heard about, but sadly, I am a couple hundred days away from being able to choose Prime Sure Footed as a login bonus. :(

[themousemaster]

Do you mean one of the necramech guns has knockback on it, or that it can kill the high-end Grineer bosses through their crazy DR?

[Grenthy]

themousemaster eredeti hozzászólása:

Do you mean one of the necramech guns has knockback on it, or that it can kill the high-end Grineer bosses through their crazy DR?

Mausolon's alt fire once charged does stupid amounts of damage if you mod the gun right.

[themousemaster]

noted. I'm going to go a few rounds with this Fragor build, see if I can use it for the boss-knocking... if I can't pull it off, I'll give that a whirl.

[Sceles]

themousemaster eredeti hozzászólása:

noted. I'm going to go a few rounds with this Fragor build, see if I can use it for the boss-knocking... if I can't pull it off, I'll give that a whirl.

Weren't you against using melee? There is no need to knock anything over in the first place.

I think you're using wrong elements and not taking full advantage of the status system. For example, your Bramma build uses P Cryo Rounds and cold dmg bypasses only 25% of alloy armor. Some of these enemies are very heavily armored and mostly with ferrite armor, meaning that corrosive that has 75% ferrite bypass is much better even when you have less of it. You also didn't mention your Bramma's innate element. If you have heat Bramma then P Cryo Rounds would cause it to deal blast dmg, which is even worse than cold dmg. Even in the case you have toxin Bramma, it doesn't make much sense to put viral on a weapon that is all about killing everything in one shot.

[Lordzio]

I mean, Gauss + viral/hunter's mumu kuva bramma and you get both kockdown resistance, 100% physical, cold, fire, blast dmg resistance, 100% armor strip and stupid dps. Or just ember with that fireball augment, you get 90% dmg resistance, 100% armor strip, about 190% extra fire dmg to weapons

There are a lot of possibilities to kill things quickly, but MR30 should know that.

[themousemaster]

I'm not against killing people with a melee, I'm against it doing more damage than my guns. Using it for force to knock people around is fine by me (as is using melee as a backup weapon when I'm out of ammo, or doing a stealth mission where I sneak up on targets, not that this test is either of those).

I did get my first successful practice attempt though. Adding every single attack speed mod and Primed Reach on it, along with Fragor always being at least on the "2nd" stage for power attacks, is making it so that a groundslam will lift even the super-heavy bosses; (as long as I kill those annoying drones first, and the Heavy Gunner seems to need a couple status applications first). I think it's just a matter of technique now; still ned to break some of the muscle memory from before the latest melee rework (the number of times I've used the "heavyattack" button and it did nothing because I didn't use the melee button to bring the hammer out first is startling).

Also, I can't stress enough how much, during the first 2 phases, to leave unneeded pickups on side platforms for later rounds... siting next to the first 2 LS modules and firing Bramma at enemy groups on the edges to get extra drops, and not hitting those things until 65% can give a lot of spare time. Luck-based, of course, but still...

...

Does the Smeeta Kavat's Charm-based pickup skill double the Life Support pickups, by any chance?

[Neuromancer]

themousemaster eredeti hozzászólása:

Does the Smeeta Kavat's Charm-based pickup skill double the Life Support pickups, by any chance?

No.

[Artek [General]]

I played with rhino and... Kuva karak or kuva hind maybe even?
All mods maxed, hybrid status/crit build on gun, not even Arcana Grace. Just spamed skin and roar when was available.
Got a little bit oofish towards the end, but still managable.

Wasn't even using any tryhard min/max builds, just my casual Rhino Quality build with a little bit of everything. Arcane grace probably could help a lot, but i don't remember using it, so its managable even without it (i did have Rage though).

[themousemaster]

I've gotten 4 successful practice rounds... I think I've gotten the proper sequence right for launching the big guys with heavy slams. Still wrecks my game when the Arbitration bot, other drone, nullifier and heavy-armor shows up within 5 inches of each other, but It's not like me NOT using my daily attempts help in any way.

[No_Quarter]

did it with Nezha and Corinth, 0 ♥♥♥♥♥, did it on first practice, did it with ease and lots of time left on my actual run

Takes awareness, rotate your mouse and see where enemies are and where you need to move.
Takes movement skill, landing on the platform and not missing it sure helps.

Kinda things mr30 is expected to have.

Guy I really respect for his tactical knowledge in a video game that is not even related to this once said "If you are not engaging anybody and you are not moving somewhere to engage somebody then you are doing something terribly wrong in this video game". And I think that is a nice philosophy to apply, just make your self useful and don't waste time.

Challenge is easy, i do not really use Corinth's alt all the much as I actually enjoy aiming, so weapons with no aoe can do this with ease as long as you can put your self in place where you can hit shots.

[Astori Heichalot]

themousemaster eredeti hozzászólása:

I've gotten 4 successful practice rounds... I think I've gotten the proper sequence right for launching the big guys with heavy slams. Still wrecks my game when the Arbitration bot, other drone, nullifier and heavy-armor shows up within 5 inches of each other, but It's not like me NOT using my daily attempts help in any way.

gotta admit,
when I first did it on practise using grendel & ohma.
cleared it literally on first attempt, and I thought its gonna be a breeze...

for 2 days I failed on the actual test, I did underestimated it and kinda felt noob about it lol
and then I started to spam practise mode alot

I still used grendel & ohma, but this time I am using kuva nukor as well.
whats important i think is the timing when you try to get the life support. I realized back then I spent alot of time getting them.
so practised using void dash on the 3rd and 5th, as well as positioning.
and void blast on nox to sent it off cliff

on 3rd day I got it cleared with like 18-20 secs left.


and then I tried on practise using saryn... it is hella alot easier tho....

[themousemaster]

So I hear. but I don't want to use saryn, since I hate playing him. That's the whole thing ;p. In any event, I was close, I'm sure I'll get it soon.

[GunsForBucks]

Yeah I have been having issues with this test as well. Unless you are into min/max you really don't need to be too particular to deal with what the game sends you.

I know it is just a matter of trying out different things to find what works but having to dig out from 3 feet of snow with my broken body I can't even really play the game at all right now ha ha. Just ignore the people who sling hate your way, they just want to tell everyone how leet they are without really helping.

[KaMi]

Mesa is the only wae to play this game.

[Astori Heichalot]

themousemaster eredeti hozzászólása:

So I hear. but I don't want to use saryn, since I hate playing him. That's the whole thing ;p. In any event, I was close, I'm sure I'll get it soon.

yeah,
I am pretty sure whats important is getting life support and back quickly. because this is where time most "wasted", the rest of map clearing isnt exactly the issue.
and shotguns (kuva kohm would be nice)
or cedo alt fire + nukor great too