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Look at Harrow and Khora. Should we remove Harrow or Khora because they both have a hold power? What about when enemies face plant into Limbo's bubble? That's technically a hold power as it freezes them in place for a bit.
But that doesn't really matter IMO, I don't care what a Warframe's proposed theme is as long as their gameplay kit feels good and synergizes well together (and Protea succeeds there)
Stats- High armor. Good health. Low energy. Middling speed.
Passive- Wall latch for four times longer than normal.
1. Leap- Jump at high speed to the targeted area, dealing impact damage. If aimed at a wall or ceiling, you will stick there indefinitely, but you can only use powers from this position (jump or bullet jump to cancel). Sticking to a wall refreshes aim glide duration.
2. Drag Line- Tap to throw a web at a surface that holds enemies for five seconds, then breaks up and slows them for ten more. Use again on the web to pull held enemies to you.
3. Venomous Fangs- Jump to a target, grab it, and inject it with liquefying enzyme that deals toxin, viral, corrosive, and gas damage over ten seconds seconds. Apply again to refresh duration and heal yourself.
4. Funnel Web- Strands of web reach out and drag enemies towards you, staggering them and inflicting toxic damage over time once they reach you. Ensnared enemies are pulled with you as you move, even into the air. Using Venomous Fangs on an enemy already taking damage over time from both Funnel Web and Venomous Fangs performs a finisher and heals you completely.
There you go. A spidery power set that has nothing in common with Khora's web spinning. Just the thing for building AoE targets you team can unload on. Add in a spider leg syandana to bring the limb count up to eight. I'm guessing dual daggers for a signature weapon.
I never said specifically that khora's strangle dome ability was the only thing that made her a spider themed warframe, I said that between her appearance, snare, strangledome, her signature melee weapons, and the man who designed her saying she was based off of spiders she was clearly the spider frame. When the man who designs the thing says that she was themed off of spiders, that's what makes her spider frame. Its like how Valkyr is a cat frame, Garuda a raptor, Hydroid a pirate and Inaros a mummy. Would you say that Nekros ISNT necromancer frame?
Your being extremely facetious and gas lighty here. Excalibur is just a swordsman frame, he's not based on dante or vergil nor would I say that's his theme. Excalibur's visual design was based on Hayden Tenno's armored infection form from their original game, dark sector, and his kit is based on swords as his name would suggest. Khoras stangledome is web shaped and traps enemies in its chains, exactly like how webs work. Protea is an engineer frame, much like how vauban is, and the devs themselves have called these frames as such.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't true. Khora is the spider warframe, and the designer does not have to say those exact words for that to be fact, its evident in the visual and ability themes they gave to her. In devstream 100 he even says "Instead of webs she uses chains
"I wanted to make a frame that was kind of like Wolverine, so I was thinking she manipulates metal in some sort of way and then I started thinking of like a spider, so instead of silk its metal thread." Michael Skyers, verbatim on his design process with her. From behind her silhouette looks spider-esque, her helmet looks like a spider facing you from the front, she has 4 "eyes", she has 4 nubs on her back, her signature blades like like stretched out spider legs, she has a spiderweb design on her upper chest, her "jacket" tail looks like a spiders abdomen and she has 4 spindly off shoots on her jacket that resemble the missing four legs of a spider. Her whip, ensnare, and strangledome are all themed on how some spiders catch prey (whipping silk like bolas spiders, throwing nets like ogre spiders, and making webs like the common house spider). Again, even her pet can be traced to spiders thematically; the Colombian lesser black tarantula keeps dotted humming frogs as pets to eat pests around their nests. I am not making this up; she is quite simply a spider warframe, and you just can't argue against it.
Khora's set emphasizes area control, locking down points with here webs. You go around setting up traps and tying up enemies. It's downright stereotypical. Not that this is a problem, mind you. Spiderman's abilities have about as much (as little) in common with actual spiders and Khora's do, and Stan Lee himself is the only person I've ever heard bring it up.
The power set I proposed is meant to contrast this. It's inspidered by jumping, net casting, and funnel web spiders instead of the more well known spiral-web-building types. It's designed to be a tackler or tank. It can drag a roomful of enemies to one spot for dispatching with aoe damage. It works with the nuke frames by giving them the best possible target. There aren't a lot of frames that can perform this function. Khora can do it a little with her ensnare, but she can't actively jump around gathering up victims.
Cant make your point without insulting my intelligence, huh? Inspiration has nothing to do with the factual qualities of an argument. I don't understand either why you moved the goal posts to argue about whether or not her abilities more or less fit the theme of spiders, especially considering...
...AGAIN: "I wanted to make a frame that was kind of like Wolverine, so I was thinking she manipulates metal in some sort of way and then I started thinking of like a spider, so instead of silk its metal thread." Michael Skyers, verbatim on his design process with KHORA. This man is the entire reason we have the khora we do today, and is the pre-eminent EXPERT on what kind of frame Khora is.
Also again:
*Whipclaw - Bolas spiders (as well as other species) use silk whips to trap prey
*Ensnare - Ogre-faced spiders (as well as other species) throw nets to trap prey
*Strangle Dome - Common House spiders (as well as other species) spin webs to capture prey
*Venari - the Colombian Lesser Black tarantula keeps small frogs as pets to eat insects that prey on its eggs.
These are real life spider analogues to EVERY khora ability. Most Spiders actively hunt prey, hence the hunter themes. Her progenitor element is toxin, which ties into every known spider species being venomous. Hunter themes are synonymous with spiders as all spiders are predators and most spiders actively hunt prey.
The designer outright stated he based her off of spiders. Why is this not enough PROOF for you guys? And its evident Michael knows more about spiders then you do. Why does Khora have to behave precisely like a spider? Spiderman's canon power set (intelligence, super strength, molecular magnetism manipulation, enhanced reflexes, enhanced speed, esp, fast healing) Have very little to do with spiders, as admitted by Stan Lee. If Peter didn't invent the web slinger's, he could have been nearly any other kind of hero... and in fact, there were times he was (Dusk, Hornet, Prodigy, Ricochet). But its still his theme, based on his signature costume and his fabled web-slinger's, AND because his creators INTENDED FOR HIM TO BE BASED ON SPIDERS.
So again, whether or not you like it, Khora was based off of spiders and is therefore a spider frame.
EDIT: If it QUACKS like a duck, LOOKS like a duck, and ACTS like a duck, odds are... its a duck.
If you want another spider-inspired warframe, that's fine. Nobody thinks it's a problem that Garuda and Zephyr are both birds, Vauban and Protea are both gadgeteers, and Nekros and Sevagoth are both grim reapers. The important thing is that they each have their own utility and identity.