Well-experienced player. May you come in for a second?

[CONGRATU BLOODY LATIONS]

So got a lil chat with pubs, we talked about good weapon at first.

The dude MR28 prefers [kronen prime] and [glaive prime] as he said no other contender that can beat those 2 by any means. Bcs we're talking about melee, i replied with my favorite melee which is [lesion] [hate] and [nikana prime] . He kinda irritated to [lesion] and said to threw it away and change with his mighty [kronen prime]. But he "still" okay to my answers.

Then we talk about Primary. His favorite are [kuva bramma] [acceltra] and [shedu] meanwhile im a shotgun and musket lover prefer [kuva kohm] [bubonico] and [kuva chakkur]. Then he started to argue why all my choices are trash. He told me to follow meta if i want to grow up and git gud at WF.

Seriously is that my choices are trash? Im mr 13 (i have enough exp for even MR17 but kinda lazy to rank up. Im feel comfortable on MR13 idk lol

[Ghin]

lol @ someone saying kuva kohm, bubonico, and kuva chakhurr are trash

[Eldritch Warden]

Pakaku の投稿を引用：

goryachiy kartofel toppor の投稿を引用：

told me to follow meta if i want to grow up and git gud at WF.

Gigantic red flag. Those weapons are popular, but there are plenty of other weapons beyond "the meta" that will do just fine. It sounds like they don't know as much as they think they do. (My Quassus does a tremendously-good job at Steel Path, but I don't see the meta-lords bringing that weapon up...)

As for your mastery rank, there are reasons to rank up, like a higher standing cap, void trace limits, a few weapons, and some riven mods. It's up to you if you think those are worth it. The max you'd need to be is 15 for those weapons and 16 for some rivens so it's not too horrible of a grind. I think if you can rank up to at least 16, you might as give it a shot when you feel ready.

Well, Quassus, despite it being a formidable weapon, is not mentioned anywhere for the same reason that the Opticor is not mentioned. And the haemorrhage kuva chakkhurr. And other stuff. Single target weapons just slow you down in steel path survival missions (especially in a solo one). All you need there is coverage. This is why that (kinda stupid) "vet" uses only aoe weapons. Kronen and Glaive for the steel path. The other aoe weapons for speed running through fissure missions and what not. Time is money. And the higher kills per minute in a survival the longer you will be able to stay in it.

[Yuki]

He is trash.
He has a neat selection of melee maybe, but ultimatively: nope.

As much as i like the glaive prime (its my most used for a reason), other glaives outperform it today in about every aspect, depending on what you are looking for. In most cases the Xoris still does by far- unless used as a statstick. But then again, you shouldnt use a glaive for that.

Kronen is neat for its heavy hit movement combo, but especially thanks to its riven disposition it is again outperformed.
So if he really wants to be "uber gud!"- tell him to get gud. And use his brains over usually outdated videos that where created by often "not so bright" youtubers in the first place. That said whoever talks about "meta" and doesnt waste a word on explanation proves...they didnt ever get gud.

Additionally what most people call "meta" is not actually the "most efficient tactic available", but usually the "easiest for even the biggest dumbass to understand" and of course "easy to build even without some rather rate mods and configs let alone tons of forma", and as such only valid in certain situations like eidolon hunts in a random group- so you have something that "just works" and everyone knows. People even gave me "the looks" first when i brought Wisp to a hunt...

If he really wants to melt down heavies with a full mag from his Acceltra in Steelpath- invite him over to a match where you just one shot them with your chakkur. Its also one of the better choices for "clone" weapons (Equinox, Wukong)
E.g. Equinox clone two-shots Steel Path Acolytes and Capture targets *wink*

I cant think of a situation where Shedu would be better than Bubonico. But i love em both ;)
If you like shotguns throw a Cedo into the mix. With Multishot/projectile speed riven, just for fun.

Kohm is also neat, certainly more so than noob-bramma, but falls short in longer tougher missions. That...was my first hiccup when i saw that post. Using Bramma usually is like putting "Newb on tour" as your glyph.

Source: I know a pre-steam veteran, survivor of the tenno civil war, former raid mentor and today theory (build) -crafter. MR 30 of course, but obviously MR does hold little meaning these days...

Edit because post in between ;)

Eldritch Warden の投稿を引用：

This is why that (kinda stupid) "vet" uses only aoe weapons. Kronen and Glaive for the steel path. The other aoe weapons for speed running through fissure missions and what not. Time is money. And the higher kills per minute in a survival the longer you will be able to stay in it.

Im all in for time is money. But thats where the chakkur comes in. Most kills are with warframe skills, followed by glaive (usually not glaive prime but depending on mission...Xoris, pathocyst, orvius...) followed by that group of three in a distance half across the map being one shot by chakkur. Besides it also does a decent job with SP demo units and acolytes...

[Johny_Geth]

Most funny part: "use meta if you want to git gud". Facepalm.jpg

[Ve. Sagara]

I never bother with Melee till now, i'm still use Atterax since MR2 (I am MR20 RN). For primary/secondary, i use what'ever i love. For example, i use Angstrum when leveling my primary. Meta like Wukong or other frame still sitting in my inventory, meanwhile i use Zepyhr for everything, Mesa for Dolon, and Nekroz for emergency farm.

This is PvE game, no need meta or something serious. Enjoy whatever you want. This is not some Moba game while you need pick/ban something because following meta.

[Shalashaska]

so many things changed and i still use my beloved tigris prime and attrex

[✨Saint✨]

I remember, before the Rivens, people would just duel to prove that their weapon was stronger/better.
These days, with all the changes, weapons can be more powerful than ever, so "best" in Warframe is totally subjective.

[MekaDovah]

I remember when Tonkor was new and had its time as the meta hotness, but I couldn't aim that thing to save my life. To my friends, it was king, but to me, it was worthless, so I had to figure something else out. I did, and got by just fine. Finding my own way has always been how I played the game. I sought information from elsewhere, but I don't let anyone tell me what to do.

And the result? I play just fine with my friends. We've crushed Eidolons, destroyed Isolation Vaults, and are sweeping our way through Steel Path just fine. Nothing has ever been beyond us. It's only when I'm on teams with pushy, selfish, immature bullies who have no clue how to be part of a team that problems arise, but that's easily solved by never going with randos.

IMO, getting good is getting comfortable with the game, but being willing to experiment and really learn its ins and outs to figure out how to make it work for you. Find what plays well with your style and develop your skill with them while still remaining open minded and flexible enough to keep learning and adapting as the game evolves, because the meta always changes.

"Git gud" is just a lazy method of bullying others to feel big over a trivial subject. It's a worthless meme phrase.

[Das Big Hippo]

There are some terrible, useless weapons in the game, like Stug. But all of those are fine options.

[wjmackenzie]

"Meta" changes more often than some people change their socks. Don't worry about following the meta. If someone has to "follow the meta" to "git gud", they aren't actually good at what is objectively an easy game. They're relying on the meta crutch.

[Gadman]

Guy isn't using meta anyways. Like a another commentor said before. Dude likely saw a crap video about meta lists and decided to take it as gospel. 98% of weapons are usable for almost every corner of content in the game. Best to add those kind of people toyour ignore list. Don't let people dictate how YOU want to play a f2p game. Less stress

[Yuki]

MekaDovah の投稿を引用：

It's only when I'm on teams with pushy, selfish, immature bullies who have no clue how to be part of a team that problems arise, but that's easily solved by never going with randos.

IMO, getting good is getting comfortable with the game, but being willing to experiment and really learn its ins and outs to figure out how to make it work for you. Find what plays well with your style and develop your skill with them while still remaining open minded and flexible enough to keep learning and adapting as the game evolves, because the meta always changes.

May that veteran called for here pat your head and tell: "Congratulations, you got gud!"
No honestly, a fitting summary.

MekaDovah の投稿を引用：

"Git gud" is just a lazy method of bullying others to feel big over a trivial subject. It's a worthless meme phrase.

Its not. Its just funny how its most often used by those that still have to! And most commonly found in random groups ya...

[CONGRATU BLOODY LATIONS]

Thank for the supports. Today i just forma-ed my [hate], did 3 formas. And I like that a TONS. I will never "best"stuff again to randoms lil

[AEP8FlyBoy]

There will always be a "best" weapon in any slot, but that doesn't mean it's a weapon you enjoy or one that will remain the best forever. As it is with most games today, especially ones I play, play how you want, and if you feel like your damage isn't enough look around for other ways to increase damage but still have fun with the weapons / frames you enjoy.

Today's meta is potentially future trash, just remember that.

[Draykoss]

he sounds like a meta slave, there are so many melees that can take on max level enemies, including nikana prime. just ignore him and play to have fun.