Saya's Vigil Disrespects Players

[Zyx]

I completed the aggravating bug hunt for glass shards on the Plains of Eidos (the last shard is in the wall of the supply wagon, in the back). Got my codex scanner, went to the next mission in the questline, Hek's Galleon. I started the mission with 100 scanner charges, and I scanned everything until I ran out of scans. Got to the end, and guess what?

THE ONLY WAY TO FINISH THE MISSION IS TO CODEX SCAN A GLASS SHARD

That would have been nice to know, don't you think? So now I have to abort the mission, leaving my first and only amber shard (basically a battery for a mobile sculpture), and half a dozen precious mods. Which took me 2 hours to farm. I had 100 charges, it would have been no bother to save one, but I did not know.

WOULD IT KILL THEM TO MENTION I HAVE TO SCAN SOMETHING

On the contrary, only an insensitive person (notice I edited out the word "jerk") would withhold that crucial information.

Well that's it. Now you can avoid that particular annoyance. Or play something else.

[Zyx]

Zuhan původně napsal:

Get a Simaris Scanner and a Sol Battery upgrade I think it is. You get infinite scans.

This is a great tip, Zuhan. Not sure you can use that scanner for codex scans, but great tip regardless.

[2GenL]

Nibbie původně napsal:

Zyx původně napsal:

THE ONLY WAY TO FINISH THE MISSION IS TO CODEX SCAN A GLASS SHARD

That would have been nice to know, don't you think?

"Tenno, you need to find the remaining shards."
"I've tracked some off-world shipments to a galleon in orbit. Hek may be guarding any key shards he's found up there." -Pre mission dialogue

"Scan the Glass Shard" -Objective marker as of about a minute into the mission.

Perhaps you just weren't paying attention?

Also, I'm quite confident "a lot of people" were not caught in this "trap" because randomly scanning everything in sight in a quest mission is not a common occurance, probably because it doesn't make much sense.

Yep, people should listen more instead of being in expectant of the game holding their hands through missions

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Saya%27s_Vigil?file=Quest_Abridged-_Saya%2527s_Vigil_%2528All_Cutscenes_and_Dialogue%2529#Board_Hek.27s_Galleon:_Pacific.2C_Earth ---> Quest Abridged- Saya's Vigil (All Cutscenes and Dialogue) go to 11:33 and listen to the dialog

[AlphaVictorKilo]

Nibbie původně napsal:

Zyx původně napsal:

THE ONLY WAY TO FINISH THE MISSION IS TO CODEX SCAN A GLASS SHARD

That would have been nice to know, don't you think?

"Tenno, you need to find the remaining shards."
"I've tracked some off-world shipments to a galleon in orbit. Hek may be guarding any key shards he's found up there." -Pre mission dialogue

"Scan the Glass Shard" -Objective marker as of about a minute into the mission.

Perhaps you just weren't paying attention?

Also, I'm quite confident "a lot of people" were not caught in this "trap" because randomly scanning everything in sight in a quest mission is not a common occurance, probably because it doesn't make much sense.

This

Sorry you can't read dude. Or listen for that matter

How you got past the prologue is a mystery to me

I remember this mission. Remembered to buy a bunch of scanners and look for glass shards. I mean, you had to scan glass shards on the plains of eilodon...you'd think that would be a hint there is a RUNNING THEME IN THE QUEST ABOUT OPENING SOMETHING WITH GLASS KEYS

[Zyx]

So now the third tier of bottom feeders have latched onto my post with "git gud" posts. Nothing original, just rehashing other people's posts. Going to be a time suck to keep up with. I did get some original, well-thought posts--and I thank the community for them. Have to say the most intelligent posts were from the first responder, who has a history of helpful and thoughtful responses. That guy knows who he is. Thanks, everyone! New guys, save a scan for the end of the Hek's Galleon mission.

[Fang]

Doesn't Saya's Vigil take place on the plains of Eidolon? I am pretty sure you can return to Cetus even while doing a quest to at least have taken your loot with you - even if it didn't complete the quest.

[Nibbie]

Zyx původně napsal:

Nibbie původně napsal:

Also, I'm quite confident "a lot of people" were not caught in this "trap" because randomly scanning everything in sight in a quest mission is not a common occurance, probably because it doesn't make much sense.

Not a bad post, N.i.b.b.i.e., but this has all been hashed out already. Scanning stuff gets you affinity. Getting affinity makes sense. On balance, Pakaku has the "loyal opposition" covered, and is going to be a tough act to follow. Steam is blocking your name for some arcane reason. Probably a bad word in another language. It's nothing terrible in good ole English: Definition of nibbie in English: nibbie (also knibbie) Pronunciation /ˈnɪbi/ noun Scottish, New Zealand . A staff with a hooked end; a crook; a walking stick.

Yes, getting affinity makes perfect sense, which is exactly why scanning everything in sight doesn't. It is an extremely poor way of getting affinity. Even stealth scanning only gives as much xp as the enemy is worth, which while effectively doubling their value, takes *way* longer to do. Simply killing every enemy as soon as you see them would be a vastly faster way to get affinity, and is also something most players do anyway, again meaning this 'problem' is pretty unique to you.

Ultimately, your goal was for them to mention that you needed to scan something before you got to the end of the mission. They already do that in at least two ways. You were the one who missed the voiced dialogue in your orbiter and the objective text permanently on your screen.

[AlphaVictorKilo]

Zyx původně napsal:

So now the third tier of bottom feeders have latched onto my post with "git gud" posts. Nothing original, just rehashing other people's posts. Going to be a time suck to keep up with. I did get some original, well-thought posts--and I thank the community for them. Have to say the most intelligent posts were from the first responder, who has a history of helpful and thoughtful responses. That guy knows who he is. Thanks, everyone! New guys, save a scan for the end of the Hek's Galleon mission.

Which is says at the very beginning of the mission...as mentioned "find the glass shards" just like it was on Eilodon, again, noticing a theme...in a quest chain? Makes perfect sense to me

Not "scan everything in sight" or "ignore mission parameters" or "throw out everything I learned in the last mission and start this new one fresh"

[Zyx]

Fang původně napsal:

Doesn't Saya's Vigil take place on the plains of Eidolon? I am pretty sure you can return to Cetus even while doing a quest to at least have taken your loot with you - even if it didn't complete the quest.

@Fang - I think you're right. But I was on Hek's Galleon, in normal space so all I could do was fail the mission. Thanks for the idea, and for caring enough to share your idea.

[Zyx]

AlphaVictorKilo původně napsal:

Zyx původně napsal:

save a scan for the end of the Hek's Galleon mission.

Which is says at the very beginning of the mission...as mentioned "find the glass shards" just like it was on Eilodon, again, noticing a theme...in a quest chain? Makes perfect sense to me

Not "scan everything in sight" or "ignore mission parameters" or "throw out everything I learned in the last mission and start this new one fresh"

Okay now Alpha is thinking for himself, and making a lot of sense. Going to have to take him seriously.

Drat, Alpha is also absolutely in the right, here. The Hek's Galleon phase of Saya's Vigil does make a lot more sense with a scan than it used to with a hack at the end.

What can I say, you're making sense.

[Zyx]

Nibbie původně napsal:

Yes, getting affinity makes perfect sense, which is exactly why scanning everything in sight doesn't. It is an extremely poor way of getting affinity. Even stealth scanning only gives as much xp as the enemy is worth, which while effectively doubling their value, takes *way* longer to do. Simply killing every enemy as soon as you see them would be a vastly faster way to get affinity, and is also something most players do anyway, again meaning this 'problem' is pretty unique to you.

Ultimately, your goal was for them to mention that you needed to scan something before you got to the end of the mission. They already do that in at least two ways. You were the one who missed the voiced dialogue in your orbiter and the objective text permanently on your screen.

So when I catch someone posting intelligently, I go back and read all of their posts. This guy is for real, and is a major asset to the community.

I guess I better take him seriously and go back and review all the dialog. Hard for me to believe I missed something like that - and I don't believe it - but because Knibbie is a rockstar I'm going to check it out.

Sorry for the gratuitous K, Knibbie, but the row of hearts Steam puts over your name is even worse.