Saya's Vigil Disrespects Players

[Zyx]

I completed the aggravating bug hunt for glass shards on the Plains of Eidos (the last shard is in the wall of the supply wagon, in the back). Got my codex scanner, went to the next mission in the questline, Hek's Galleon. I started the mission with 100 scanner charges, and I scanned everything until I ran out of scans. Got to the end, and guess what?

THE ONLY WAY TO FINISH THE MISSION IS TO CODEX SCAN A GLASS SHARD

That would have been nice to know, don't you think? So now I have to abort the mission, leaving my first and only amber shard (basically a battery for a mobile sculpture), and half a dozen precious mods. Which took me 2 hours to farm. I had 100 charges, it would have been no bother to save one, but I did not know.

WOULD IT KILL THEM TO MENTION I HAVE TO SCAN SOMETHING

On the contrary, only an insensitive person (notice I edited out the word "jerk") would withhold that crucial information.

Well that's it. Now you can avoid that particular annoyance. Or play something else.

[Pakaku]

Warframe does do a bad job about explaining things, but I'm pretty sure it tells you to keep looking for shards even on that part of the mission. And considering the entire quest involves scanning things up to that point, you probably should have expected to scan more things

[Fake]

I blame the Lotus for training young Tennos to blindly follow mission markers.

[Zyx]

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Originally posted by Pakaku:

Warframe does do a bad job about explaining things, but I'm pretty sure it tells you to keep looking for shards even on that part of the mission. And considering the entire quest involves scanning things up to that point, you probably should have expected to scan more things

@Pakaku - your heart is in the right place, I'm attesting there was no clue that the mission required a scanner to complete, and I strongly recall this exact mission used to end with hacking, not scanning.

Still, thanks for replying. Truth is, I feel a little better knowing you cared enough to post.

[Zyx]

Originally posted by Fake:

I blame the Lotus for training young Tennos to blindly follow mission markers.

@Fake I'm not even a real Tenno, just a half-baked backup for the real Tenno. I woke up with a completely blank mind and a little muscle memory. Back to the topic, though--Lotus provided a bad mission briefing.

Anyway, thank you for inviting me into your madness. Kind of fun here.

[Fake]

Originally posted by Zyx:

Originally posted by Fake:

I blame the Lotus for training young Tennos to blindly follow mission markers.

@Fake I'm not even a real Tenno, just a half-baked backup for the real Tenno. I woke up with a completely blank mind and a little muscle memory. Back to the topic, though--Lotus provided a bad mission briefing.

Anyway, thank you for inviting me into your madness. Kind of fun here.

Oh, once you are far enough into the story, it makes sense why the Lotus would want unthinking killing machines. (not sure if you are that far or already there)

[Zyx]

Originally posted by Fake:

quote=Oh, once you are far enough into the story, it makes sense why the Lotus would want unthinking killing machines. (not sure if you are that far or already there)

This is my second play through, Fake. I started a new account because why not.

[Me [~]]

Originally posted by Zyx:

I completed the aggravating bug hunt for glass shards on the Plains of Eidos (the last shard is in the wall of the supply wagon, in the back). Got my codex scanner, went to the next mission in the questline, Hek's Galleon. I started the mission with 100 scanner charges, and I scanned everything until I ran out of scans. Got to the end, and guess what?

THE ONLY WAY TO FINISH THE MISSION IS TO CODEX SCAN A GLASS SHARD

That would have been nice to know, don't you think? So now I have to abort the mission, leaving my first and only amber shard (basically a battery for a mobile sculpture), and half a dozen precious mods. Which took me 2 hours to farm. I had 100 charges, it would have been no bother to save one, but I did not know.

WOULD IT KILL THEM TO MENTION I HAVE TO SCAN SOMETHING

On the contrary, only an insensitive person (notice I edited out the word "jerk") would withhold that crucial information.

Well that's it. Now you can avoid that particular annoyance. Or play something else.

troll bait?

[Pakaku]

Originally posted by Zyx:

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Originally posted by Pakaku:

Warframe does do a bad job about explaining things, but I'm pretty sure it tells you to keep looking for shards even on that part of the mission. And considering the entire quest involves scanning things up to that point, you probably should have expected to scan more things

@Pakaku - your heart is in the right place, I'm attesting there was no clue that the mission required a scanner to complete, and I strongly recall this exact mission used to end with hacking, not scanning.

Still, thanks for replying. Truth is, I feel a little better knowing you cared enough to post.

But the clue in the entire mission structure. You scan glass shards to progress, and you go to that ship to find more shards to scan. Nothing was hiding that fact from you. The problem is you went ahead and used up all 100 of your scanners. There wasn't really any fault with the mission itself, only something you caused for yourself.

[Zyx]

@Me [~] - It bothered me, I posted it. Figured I could spare others the hassle. Did not figure on getting a response. Anyway, not so many trolls in Warframe. Well, unless you count me.

[Zyx]

Originally posted by Pakaku:

But the clue in the entire mission structure. You scan glass shards to progress, and you go to that ship to find more shards to scan. Nothing was hiding that fact from you. The problem is you went ahead and used up all 100 of your scanners. There wasn't really any fault with the mission itself, only something you caused for yourself.

A "normal" person would actually not have 100 scans, that is the max scans you can carry into a mission. Most new players will have 22 scans going into Hek's Galleon: the 25 they give you, less the three previous glass shards. A diligent but not creative player would probably be fine. "Not creative" would not describe you, Pakaku.

If the new player is fairly sharp, they will figure out or will have read somewhere that the provided scanner is really the main codex scanner. This better-than-average player will probably get messed up by this mission on the first go around, because they will scan random stuff for the extra affinity.

Not right. Should be some kind of clue. You're obviously not a newby, Pakaku. I'm guessing you did the Hek's Galleon mission back when the last task was hacking. But you're smart enough that today you would probably get messed over the same as me. Or maybe you'd have predicted the scanning of the glass fragment. Fine.

But a lot of people will get caught in this little trap. So they should tell all players that there is a scan required at the end of the Hek's Galleon mission of Saya's Vigil.

[Nibbie]

Originally posted by Zyx:

THE ONLY WAY TO FINISH THE MISSION IS TO CODEX SCAN A GLASS SHARD

That would have been nice to know, don't you think?

"Tenno, you need to find the remaining shards."
"I've tracked some off-world shipments to a galleon in orbit. Hek may be guarding any key shards he's found up there." -Pre mission dialogue

"Scan the Glass Shard" -Objective marker as of about a minute into the mission.

Perhaps you just weren't paying attention?

Also, I'm quite confident "a lot of people" were not caught in this "trap" because randomly scanning everything in sight in a quest mission is not a common occurance, probably because it doesn't make much sense.

[Pakaku]

Originally posted by Zyx:

Originally posted by Pakaku:

But the clue in the entire mission structure. You scan glass shards to progress, and you go to that ship to find more shards to scan. Nothing was hiding that fact from you. The problem is you went ahead and used up all 100 of your scanners. There wasn't really any fault with the mission itself, only something you caused for yourself.

A "normal" person would actually not have 100 scans, that is the max scans you can carry into a mission.
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But a lot of people will get caught in this little trap. So they should tell all players that there is a scan required at the end of the Hek's Galleon mission of Saya's Vigil.

Here's what you said:

Originally posted by Zyx:

Got my codex scanner, went to the next mission in the questline, Hek's Galleon. I started the mission with 100 scanner charges, and I scanned everything until I ran out of scans.

There was no trap, you are just blaming the game for a mistake that you went out of your way for, one that likely wouldn't have been anticipated for because it's so unlikely for most players to use up all of their scanners on these particular missions. The game told you repeatedly that scanning would be involved, so you should have caught on to the idea that maybe saving your scanners for the objective is a smart idea.

And honestly speaking, you didn't lose anything special. You likely did not find any mods that you won't happen to find again, and Amber stars aren't that rare either.

[Zyx]

Originally posted by Pakaku:

There was no trap, you are just blaming the game for a mistake that you went out of your way for, one that likely wouldn't have been anticipated for because it's so unlikely for most players to use up all of their scanners on these particular missions. The game told you repeatedly that scanning would be involved, so you should have caught on to the idea that maybe saving your scanners for the objective is a smart idea.

And honestly speaking, you didn't lose anything special. You likely did not find any mods that you won't happen to find again, and Amber stars aren't that rare either.

@Pakaku: All of what you say here is true. Sensible, if we're being honest. The lost junk did get replaced. The couple hours of time wasted re-doing a mission was already being wasted on playing video games, to take your point a step further.

That does not make it right. Most people will only have 22 scans. 22 scans is nothing when a new player gets to scanning. Which is the case on Hek's Galleon, the mission immediately after you get access to the scanner.

Knowing what the scanner is for, buying a bunch of extra scanners, and doing a lot of scanning is no crime. A couple hours of grinding is admittedly not too severe a penalty. But it IS a penalty, and it's disrespectful of player's time.

Just take the note covering the control panel that used to be hacked and put it at the entrance, and it will be good. Or put a note in the quest.

Anyway Pakaku, I actually read all your posts and there is nothing at all wrong with you. Let's not argue. People that run into this thread will be warned. That's all we can do for now.

[Zyx]

Originally posted by Nibbie:

Also, I'm quite confident "a lot of people" were not caught in this "trap" because randomly scanning everything in sight in a quest mission is not a common occurance, probably because it doesn't make much sense.

Not a bad post, N.i.b.b.i.e., but this has all been hashed out already. Scanning stuff gets you affinity. Getting affinity makes sense. On balance, Pakaku has the "loyal opposition" covered, and is going to be a tough act to follow. Steam is blocking your name for some arcane reason. Probably a bad word in another language. It's nothing terrible in good ole English: Definition of nibbie in English: nibbie (also knibbie) Pronunciation /ˈnɪbi/ noun Scottish, New Zealand . A staff with a hooked end; a crook; a walking stick.

[Zuhan]

Get a Simaris Scanner and a Sol Battery upgrade I think it is. You get infinite scans.