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JAIRO (已封禁) 2020 年 11 月 15 日 上午 7:33
Warframe system is still broken! Innocent people getting BANNED!!!
After a long hiatus I came back to this game.
I joined a random pub Railjack team and before I was able to do anything I was bombarded with hate messages from the other players.
Seems they had pretty bad runs before and wanted to release their anger on me, behavior of stupid children.
I wouldn't care and just put them on ignore but they got so toxic they told me repeatedly to "kill myself" also that they would "kill my mother" and for some reason "kill my dog?" I don't have dogs lel?!?
So I reported all 3 of them and put them on ignore.

Couple of days later I receive 4 messages from DE telling me that action has been taken against these 3 toxic players BUT ALSO AGAINST ME?????
Wait what????

DE banned them but also SUSPENDED my in-game chat for excessive profanity use?

I called them out during the game saying things like:
"Are you STUPID? I just joined the game, I had no time to grief the game for us!"
and
"IDIOTS, you will get banned for telling people to kill themselves and sending death threats!"

Guess what, just because these 3 toxic players reported me at the same time, DE and their pathetic system decides that saying words such as "stupid" and "idiots" is Excessive Profanity!!!?!?!!

Since the last time, I understood the game is trash, DE don't care about the community, their system is broken and people are banned left and right for using chat. Moderators are corrupt little homophobic racists that ban people for saying they come from Nigeria because the country's name Nigeria has "supposedly" the N-word in it. That is beyond racist.
A friendly discussion between players ends with a girl admitting she is lesbian and getting banned from chat for "homophobia"??? Are you serious?
She said "lesbian" in the context of herself not as an insult slur against someone else.

THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN BEYOND BELIEF!
IT IS A LITERAL MINEFIELD!

Want to trade? Never use trade chat, just go to the warframe.market website.
Want to talk to people? Forget about in-game chat and ONLY talk through Discord.
Meet toxic players? Don't even report them, just put them on ignore otherwise you will end up like me, an innocent victim swept under the generalizing brush of DE's broken fkng system!!!
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JAIRO (已封禁) 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 1:21 
引用自 WhamyKaBlamy
引用自 Avatar of Justice
Quippy one liners don't make you look any smarter.
only pathetic if there is no context behind them.

The difference between you and me is that I'm not trying to come across smarter. Nor do I need to resort to toxic flame posts and try to link one bad incident in a game to a broader political issue.

If someone is being a toxic edgelord they deserve all the disdain they get.

See? You simply do not get it.
You think we talk politics now? No, I used real live example as a context for the current problem we are facing.
Using knowledge does not mean I try to come across smarter, I couldn't care less right now with you.
It is you who is trying to "gain the high ground" with your supposedly "witty" one-liner remarks.
Don't throw shade on me because you can't understand simple discussions.
Did the quarantine dry your brain up so much that you can't even participate in a standard conversation without getting offended by everything.

If you do not understand, fine, go read up if you want to continue arguing or just ask me, I'll explain if you did not get it.

You are deserving of the disdain you speak about. Instead of talking like a human you generalize like that other dude, call people toxic by being toxic yourself.
How can you not understand that?

You are a lost cause, honestly.

From my comment and replies you can see, no ill-intent or toxic hate has been projected by me, only reasonable discussion. Only when people throw baseless accusations I call them out on that.

Sure in the game I got suspended but Steam is not that low, here I will call you out if you are wrong.

As I said before you are a waste of time.
Explaining to you now is like talking to a child who refuses to comprehend.

You are ignored.
WhamyKaBlamy 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 1:28 
That's the second time I've been ignored. I wonder when you'll actually start ignoring me. So far you've insinuated things about me and tried to insult me what? Three? Four times?

You notice how I'm not rising to the same level of aggression or insult? What I am demonstrating here is how you COULD have replied without once using insulting or aggressive language.

But I'm sure it's about the SJW dictator regime or something and not that you were baited into being aggressive and offensive at the slightest provocation.
JAIRO (已封禁) 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 1:32 
引用自 Pakaku
引用自 Avatar of Justice


yeah go on pretending you have the moral high ground if that is what makes you sleep at night.
You have nothing in response because you have no clue who Johnson is or what the "war on crime era" was, you don't know about the legality of drugs in various countries because such topics do not interest you.
You only play games, so go on play them.
Why are you even attempting to participate in this discussion if you can't stand your point without running away?

You are a waste of time.
ignored.
You're over-reacting in a major way, this is why you're encountering problems

I seriously suggest taking some time away from the game and this forum, cool down, and come back once you're more relaxed, because taking a forum or a game this seriously is not healthy

Overreacting?
Don't you know that discussions can get heated without starting a fight?
Do you know that it is not always rainbow and sunshine?
Even the smartest people in their fields get into arguments but never stoop so low as to start a physical brawl or start throwing insults like monkeys.
People can have different opinions and stand by them, have facts and assumptions they believe in and debate using logic and common sense.
That's it! Debate. What is this whole thread if not a debate?

This is not a friendly coffee bar chat between relaxed strangers that only talk about the weather and show nothing but smiles and positivity.
This is a discussion/debate between gamers. You are gamers right?
At least gamers of the game Warframe. I believe we all here are experienced at least in this field of knowledge of the game. Thus we are debating these issues, thus everyone, you and I, spent time here talking with each other.

Sure things get heated but did any of us throw insults yet? No.
Yet some people have behaved unreasonable and instead of participating in the conversation, decide to throw quippy one-liners like some high school hallway.
Hence why I put them on ignore.

What truly is not healthy is bottling up your emotions and thoughts and forgetting about them, that is how passion dies.
We all are passionate for this game and from my comment and responses you can clearly distinguish how frustrated I am with the issue at hand.
But instead of helping me, these white knight sjw d-riders are piling up on me as if a giant corporation needs their protection.
As if this real issue of a broken moderating system deserves them defending it.
How am I in the wrong here? Maybe because I assumed I can politely and smartly discuss issues with fellow gamers, hell what did I even think..Gamers are the worst: trolls, griefers, dota and csgo players.
Especially in today's climate of dead free speech, what did I even think.
Pakaku 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 1:34 
引用自 Avatar of Justice
引用自 Pakaku
You're over-reacting in a major way, this is why you're encountering problems

I seriously suggest taking some time away from the game and this forum, cool down, and come back once you're more relaxed, because taking a forum or a game this seriously is not healthy

Overreacting?
Don't you know that discussions can get heated without starting a fight?
Do you know that it is not always rainbow and sunshine?
Even the smartest people in their fields get into arguments but never stoop so low as to start a physical brawl or start throwing insults like monkeys.
People can have different opinions and stand by them, have facts and assumptions they believe in and debate using logic and common sense.
That's it! Debate. What is this whole thread if not a debate?

This is not a friendly coffee bar chat between relaxed strangers that only talk about the weather and show nothing but smiles and positivity.
This is a discussion/debate between gamers. You are gamers right?
At least gamers of the game Warframe. I believe we all here are experienced at least in this field of knowledge of the game. Thus we are debating these issues, thus everyone, you and I, spent time here talking with each other.

Sure things get heated but did any of us throw insults yet? No.
Yet some people have behaved unreasonable and instead of participating in the conversation, decide to throw quippy one-liners like some high school hallway.
Hence why I put them on ignore.

What truly is not healthy is bottling up your emotions and thoughts and forgetting about them, that is how passion dies.
We all are passionate for this game and from my comment and responses you can clearly distinguish how frustrated I am with the issue at hand.
But instead of helping me, these white knight sjw d-riders are piling up on me as if a giant corporation needs their protection.
As if this real issue of a broken moderating system deserves them defending it.
How am I in the wrong here? Maybe because I assumed I can politely and smartly discuss issues with fellow gamers, hell what did I even think..Gamers are the worst: trolls, griefers, dota and csgo players.
Especially in today's climate of dead free speech, what did I even think.
It's not healthy to bottle up your emotions, but taking them out on a game chat or on us in a public forum is not a responsible way of going about it

Like I said, if you're taking a forum or a game so seriously that it results in paragraphs of ranting, then I do think it's time to take a break. Not saying this to be snarky or anything, just speaking from some personal experience that I'm glad I learned from
最后由 Pakaku 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 1:35
JAIRO (已封禁) 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 1:42 
Not really paragraphs to me if I can type em so fast.
Just thoughts that you may chose to read or not to.

I do not resort to pretentious one-liners. I don't use twitter.
Maybe that's why I do not prefer short and useless throw away lines of not saying anything pretty much like some do.

also you forget that that I talked not only about bottling emotions but also thoughts.
If I lost to emotions and went full berserk we'd have insults thrown everywhere.
I am frustrated with the problem and yes it is getting heated with people who instead of helping the case play the captain obvious or captain hindsight cards.

As I said, what was I thinking debating with gamers, especially from this game.
you might be right about taking a break, I said my piece, I don't have to debate or convince these birds.

Pakaku you have a nice evening.
No_Quarter (已封禁) 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 1:55 
引用自 Avatar of Justice
引用自 No_Quarter
this may be outlandish, but sometimes, you may be in the wrong....

stfu bird
I don't speak twitter
引用自 Avatar of Justice
How am I in the wrong here? Maybe because I assumed I can politely and smartly discuss issues with fellow gamers
JAIRO (已封禁) 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 1:56 
"Freedom of speech is often used to justify discrimination against minority groups".

"Accusations of discrimination against minority groups are often used to try to silence legitimate debate."



Two very interesting quotes on different positions I found that summarize this whole debate and what it turned into.
Half the world believes the former, while the other half believes the latter.

Real issues should be addressed, everyone agrees on that but the excessive policing means the sacrifice of too much freedom that would hurt both world views as past precedents have proven oh so many times before.
The former does not understand that and in their mad dash for blind and absolute justice are willing to burn freedom to the ground by silencing those who disagree.

Very interesting positions to think about. I tend to belong to the latter.
WhamyKaBlamy 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 2:35 
They're either trolling, delusional or just looking for an excuse to spout exposition about their rather toxic political leanings. No point pushing it further and getting yourself in hot water too.
Rhudda 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 3:07 
引用自 Avatar of Justice
I called them out during the game saying things like:
"Are you STUPID? I just joined the game, I had no time to grief the game for us!"
and
"IDIOTS, you will get banned for telling people to kill themselves and sending death threats!"

Guess what, just because these 3 toxic players reported me at the same time, DE and their pathetic system decides that saying words such as "stupid" and "idiots" is Excessive Profanity!!!?!?!!

Meet toxic players? Don't even report them, just put them on ignore otherwise you will end up like me, an innocent victim swept under the generalizing brush of DE's broken ♥♥♥♥ system!!!

By your own account you weren't banned for reporting them, you were banned for insulting them. Sure, your insults weren't the worst out there (though personally I find that line pretty arbitrary), but they were insults.

Sure I was not banned as they were, only my in-game chat was suspended (for a week or so?) but still words such as "idiot" and "stupid" are not insults in the English dictionary.

If you're not calling people stupid and idiots to insult them, what exactly are you using those words for? They're not matter-of-fact statements. They have a clearly negative connotation, and I'm sure you realise that.

Moderators are corrupt little homophobic racists that ban people for saying they come from Nigeria because the country's name Nigeria has "supposedly" the N-word in it. That is beyond racist.
A friendly discussion between players ends with a girl admitting she is lesbian and getting banned from chat for "homophobia"??? Are you serious?
She said "lesbian" in the context of herself not as an insult slur against someone else.

Those aren't mods, that's a bot working off of a list of words. That list doesn't care where you put a space, if a word contains the letters N, I, G, E, and R in that order in a row, the bots will react. Yes, the list is on the harsh side, definitely, but to keep people from using racist and homophobic language even through indirect means is not itself racist and homophobic. My guess on why the filter is so harsh is that people tend to try and circumvent these filters (thus including misspellings like the n-word with just one G), and they're very creative. So DE err on the side of caution, and the list grows because people can't behave like grown-ups.
(Side note: "admitting" is an interesting choice of words, cause one can only admit to wrongdoing. Do you think there's something wrong with being a lesbian?)

From my comment and replies you can see, no ill-intent or toxic hate has been projected by me, only reasonable discussion.

Your replies come across as pretty aggressive. That is not part of a reasonable discussion, and neither is calling an entire group of people "corrupt little homophobic racists" without any evidence to back up that statement. In fact, that's pretty toxic, and I don't quite see how your intentions weren't ill when you typed that. If you'd just wanted to talk about how you perceive the system, you could have done so without an all-out attack on the entire mod team.

Frankly, I do not and will never understand how a written discussion can become heated, because writing takes more time and thought than talking. If you find yourself blowing up in forums, I suggest reading your posts once before you send it out into the ether. I've written many a response that I ultimately deleted before hitting post.
最后由 Rhudda 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 3:12
Yaltiaj 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 4:52 
This would make sense if what you described happened in Region Chat back when the dumpster licking "community" moderators were around, but something is clearly missing here. I know when it comes to "suspicious account activity" DE employs a guilty till proven innocent policy, but I find it hard to believe that this all happened over the two examples you described. There's either something being left out, or this didn't transpire as is described in the original post. I've seen a lot worse in chat, and nothing happened about it. At the end of the day it's all just naughty words on the internet. I can't blame DE for not caring that much over such a non-issue.
最后由 Yaltiaj 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 4:53
GladiusMalus 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 6:51 
I got 2.7k hours on steam (doesnt represent time played ik) and I came across some toxic ppl but never to that extent.....Also I never used global chat really.
If I come across someone bothering me, I just mute the person. Problem solved.
Though in your case you prob did the right thing and I mean you prob just got suspended for what ? A week ? I have no idea how long suspension is, but i'd say it was worth it.
considering that de bans people for saying "nezha", "anticipation" and "trinity prime", i am not surprised
76561199026222494 2020 年 11 月 16 日 上午 3:48 
in all my time of playing this game (2000+ hours) i've never come across such toxic people as you described, either railjack is a toxic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ or you just got terribly unlucky and met the 0.1% of toxic players. Most people i meet ingame are decent and friendly, this is rather shocking tbh
Security Cam #7 (已封禁) 2020 年 11 月 16 日 上午 6:31 
So this is the peak of humanity they were talking about
76561199026222494 2020 年 11 月 16 日 上午 10:30 
引用自 Avatar of Justice
引用自 Curious Pickle
in all my time of playing this game (2000+ hours) i've never come across such toxic people as you described, either railjack is a toxic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ or you just got terribly unlucky and met the 0.1% of toxic players. Most people i meet ingame are decent and friendly, this is rather shocking tbh

that is exactly what surprised me so much too!
I've met toxic people but at least they had some delusional reason to be angry.

You know how in Railjack you use up ammo in side turrets or forward cannon? Seems this group of 3 friends encountered some noobs or griefers that wasted all the ammo and got salty over it.

So when I just joined the game, not being able to move yet or even type because the game was still buffering a couple of seconds, I get barraged by toxicity from all 3 of them.
Sure they could say something like "pls don't grief or use up ammo, we don't have enough mats and this ship is bad for veil content"
but they decided to start their messages with "♥♥♥ don't use cannons" and "Stop wasting ammo! or I swear I will kill your dog!"
These are their exact words. The other trash they sent I didn't bother remembering or reading.

So yeah, go pretty unlucky with such a toxic cesspool of a team.

I too met most people in the game that are friendly and help out, I also help out people for free and give away things that we farm together.

Shame these low mr14 players decided to ruin the mission and DE decided to ruin my day.
Also shame there are so many sjw simps here who instead of offering help, support or at least constructive criticism behave no better than those toxic players.

Curious Pickle, you have a nice day.

Yeah railjack has many issues, this ammo sharing is one of them and very easy to grief, i avoided railjack for the most part after getting intrinsics from scarlet spear event i had no reason to ever return to railjack. DE has plans for railjack with adding corpus liches to it and maybe fixing some issues too, would be worth a revist then, But as it stands its a content island you can ignore and enjoy the rest of the game.
Good luck to you
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