They killed my poor Ember Prime!

[just_a_deadly_zinja]

I loved my Ember Prime, but it feels like I must let go and let her rest in peace.
Do I rant in a nice way? Just adding my opinion and points? Or freak out and facemash the keyboard.
I can't be the only one who feels the WoF change is a purely insane nerf that pretty much destroys Ember, yes, you can make an accelerant build with the right weapon setup, but I like WoF'lls in the morning, afternoon, evening and night, damn it! "It does damage against high level opponents now, but you have to get in close! But I won't stop there! The longer WoF is on, the faster it burns energy!" Seriously? What F(!@&$ing moron dev smoked crack and came up with that line? I am going to make a guess that someone using an Ember ruined his/her day, they threw a tantrum, proceeded to abuse their position as a dev to ruin Ember for the rest of us, printed out a picture of Ember, placed it on his/her chair when no one was looking, teabagged it and yelled profanities at the poor, helpless image of Ember.
To me? This is a horrid nerf, its destroyed my Firequake/Duration build which let my casual/solo playstyle actually be fun.
I want my WoF'lls back, damn it! Not some pathetic ripoff of Hysteria.
I need some waffles now...

[Bluemenkranz]

Originally posted by just_a_deadly_zinja:

I loved my Ember Prime, but it feels like I must let go and let her rest in peace.
Do I rant in a nice way? Just adding my opinion and points? Or freak out and facemash the keyboard.
I can't be the only one who feels the WoF change is a purely insane nerf that pretty much destroys Ember, yes, you can make an accelerant build with the right weapon setup, but I like WoF'lls in the morning, afternoon, evening and night, damn it! "It does damage against high level opponents now, but you have to get in close! But I won't stop there! The longer WoF is on, the faster it burns energy!" Seriously? What F(!@&$ing moron dev smoked crack and came up with that line? I am going to make a guess that someone using an Ember ruined his/her day, they threw a tantrum, proceeded to abuse their position as a dev to ruin Ember for the rest of us, printed out a picture of Ember, placed it on his/her chair when no one was looking, teabagged it and yelled profanities at the poor, helpless image of Ember.
To me? This is a horrid nerf, its destroyed my Firequake/Duration build which let my casual/solo playstyle actually be fun.
I want my WoF'lls back, damn it! Not some pathetic ripoff of Hysteria.
I need some waffles now...

That duration= +consumption was already on Valkyr and that never hampered her use

[Sheoji]

That's why i'm striking and not playing this game anymore, just taking daily bonuses, and sitting on my ass on the relays.

They want force players to move? F.U. DE.

[Bluemenkranz]

Originally posted by A Big Butt Cat:

That's why i'm striking and not playing this game anymore, just taking daily bonuses, and sitting on my ass on the relays.

They want force players to move? F.U. DE.

Are you mad you cant afk anymore? BEcause you still can

[Walrus-Sama]

Equinox was already a better Ember. And they buffed Equinox and nerfed Ember. lol.

[Sheoji]

I think its a player choce, go easy mode or try hard and be rewarded for it.
My old Ember playsyles:
Example:
3 man party, mid lvl defence/survival fissure. Ember on radius, Nidus Equi buffers
Ember gets a void buff, get STR from buffers, and turn WoF on.
The whole team can relax now cos they tired of ducets farming, but they need it.
2nd Example: Full STR ember solo, high lvl.
Using pure fire build i move fast enough to survive and cast 2,3,4, burning my nrg, but i can deal enough damage to even deal with sorties.

Now i have only 2nd option, and it now less comfortable, because i lose energy like hell, and i need to get to close range and get Ember,s butt pwned.

[Daketey]

She deals insane damage just range is reduced. They removed the part where amber afks and everyone dies. The changes are good stop complaining

[Sheoji]

Originally posted by Daketey:

She deals insane damage just range is reduced. They removed the part where amber afks and everyone dies. The changes are good stop complaining

Do i have repeat myself with a "player choice" thing.
Besides Nerf is a nerf if at least one player think so.
Lets compare:
+DMG buff
-range reduction
-ENG draining higher.

2 vs 1

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by A Big Butt Cat:

Originally posted by Daketey:

She deals insane damage just range is reduced. They removed the part where amber afks and everyone dies. The changes are good stop complaining

Do i have repeat myself with a "player choice" thing.
Besides Nerf is a nerf if at least one player thing so.
Lets compare:
+DMG buff
-range reduction
-ENG draining higher.

2 vs 1

1.5 eps is hard to maintain? If that's not the energy drain you have, then you have a problem with modding. Titania has a lower energy pool than Ember, is also a spells spammer at higher levels, and her Razorwing costs 1.25 eps. I never had issues with Titania and I don't have issues with Ember now.

"Oh me, DE forces us to move a little instead of just press 4 and go watch Netflix on the 2nd monitor while just moving a little not to get the AFK penalty"

I lost 6 meters on my WoF build after I remodded it, but I deal a lot more damage, and the energy drain....I don't even feel it. So......I just have to move in a 6 meter radius and I have the same range as before, just with more damage. I guess me and the others who like this chance are dumb because we never liked to afk.

[Sheoji]

Ok, i WILL quote myself.
It have to be a player choice. Someone want to go challage high lvl enemies, someone just want to run low lvl alerts and get over it. I'm not so mad cause nerf (but still i am), i'm mad because they forceing only one play style - run n gun. Titania can go carnage with ner 4 aug, but lost energy in process, Valkir can be immortal, but still she can up her DPS using Warcry.

"The end game is about limit breaking. If you want just keep fashion framing it's you choice. But if we keep our head in the sand we will end with handicapped pink suits, so keep telling people they whining because they are subjective... while they are not" (random reddit poster)

[Bluemenkranz]

Originally posted by A Big Butt Cat:

I think its a player choce, go easy mode or try hard and be rewarded for it.
My old Ember playsyles:
Example:
3 man party, mid lvl defence/survival fissure. Ember on radius, Nidus Equi buffers
Ember gets a void buff, get STR from buffers, and turn WoF on.
The whole team can relax now cos they tired of ducets farming, but they need it.
2nd Example: Full STR ember solo, high lvl.
Using pure fire build i move fast enough to survive and cast 2,3,4, burning my nrg, but i can deal enough damage to even deal with sorties.

Now i have only 2nd option, and it now less comfortable, because i lose energy like hell, and i need to get to close range and get Ember,s butt pwned.

You could try mesa, same thing, stand in one place, press 4 then M1 and turn, stop, drop energy pizza, repeat. Scales better and makes it always high noon.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by A Big Butt Cat:

Ok, i WILL quote myself.
It have to be a player choice. Someone want to go challage high lvl enemies, someone just want to run low lvl alerts and get over it. I'm not so mad cause nerf (but still i am), i'm mad because they forceing only one play style - run n gun. Titania can go carnage with ner 4 aug, but lost energy in process, Valkir can be immortal, but still she can up her DPS using Warcry.

"The end game is about limit breaking. If you want just keep fashion framing it's you choice. But if we keep our head in the sand we will end with handicapped pink suits, so keep telling people they whining because they are subjective... while they are not" (random reddit poster)

You don't get it. If 6 meters means your frame is done, then that's your problem. I still have the choice to go WoF on low levels and AFK because I have enough range and the dmg amp makes up for the loss of Intensify, but I can also build her for endurance runs and all.

1.5 Energy cost means nothing, and oh my, now team mates can kill stuff as well, what a problem....

[just_a_deadly_zinja]

Immortal Inaros, sure, he's not invincible, but its hard to actually get "killed" with him. He honestly feels cheaper then my pre nerf EmberP, thought not as fun as my Chaos build, Nyx. I still love my Ember P, I liked my duration WoF'llequake build, sure, I can mess around and get close, but its still not the same. This literally feels like "streamlining" the game, dumbing the game down, so no one gets left out of not feeling 'leet. Reminds me a great deal of how World of Warcraft went straight down the toilet.
Best fix I felt? Found it on Reddit's warframe thingy. Instead of nerfslaughtering frames, leave them the hell alone unless something IS truly broken. Instead? Add MR based grouping, 1-9. 10-15. 16-25, whatever, hell, even add the option of open MR grouping, all MR's allowed.
For the record? I rarely ever did public, pretty much entirely Solo. Hell, I often got asked just to run around and roast low level stuff, by low MR/new players.

[Sheoji]

I'm teaming up with frends most of a time, and they are ok with it. I was talking about that you could do the same ember like now only with mods, and you still had max RAD option if you dont need it.
Some players just dond see difference between revorks and nerfs. Now we dealing with the second one.

[Daketey]

Originally posted by A Big Butt Cat:

Originally posted by Daketey:

She deals insane damage just range is reduced. They removed the part where amber afks and everyone dies. The changes are good stop complaining

Do i have repeat myself with a "player choice" thing.
Besides Nerf is a nerf if at least one player think so.
Lets compare:
+DMG buff
-range reduction
-ENG draining higher.

2 vs 1

Energy draining higher? Build more efficiency .. range reduction ? Build more range.. dmg buff so u wont need as much strength in your build They want more player engagement thats why they nerfed the range not because they are denying u your "player choice".

You are saying like "oh man I actually press keys while using ember now".

Its not 2 v1 situation for nerf. Nerfs dont work that way its not done as a game. They gave u more power but took some range. Energy drain for allowing u to recast the ability every once in a while.
Which will also promote the need to unlock the energy node and farming stuff for energy pads. They want you to actually play when u load into a mission.

Originally posted by A Big Butt Cat:

I think its a player choce, go easy mode or try hard and be rewarded for it.
My old Ember playsyles:
Example:
3 man party, mid lvl defence/survival fissure. Ember on radius, Nidus Equi buffers
Ember gets a void buff, get STR from buffers, and turn WoF on.
The whole team can relax now cos they tired of ducets farming, but they need it.
2nd Example: Full STR ember solo, high lvl.
Using pure fire build i move fast enough to survive and cast 2,3,4, burning my nrg, but i can deal enough damage to even deal with sorties.

Now i have only 2nd option, and it now less comfortable, because i lose energy like hell, and i need to get to close range and get Ember,s butt pwned.

You literally mentioned the reason why they nerfed her range and energy cost . They dont want people to afk through missions they want people to actually play the game. It might surprise u a bit but games are meant to be played.

[just_a_deadly_zinja]

Don't nerf the frame, change the damned game.

Last I checked? No one wants to be stuck in some low level trash run, or forced to play boring crap, boring equals players leaving for more exciting stuff. Poor Ember is just an excuse, the poor girl tied to the stake to be burnt to appease a bunch of ignorant villagers.