Blood rush and True steel question

[Towik]

Hey there
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1135224415
do I need True steel when I am using Blood Rush ,i have never used Blood rush before ,even when i had it for so long

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Organ Shatter would probably be a better option, in this case.

[AnonumusSoldier]

No, you would be better off with a combo duration mod as they feed off each other. The whole point of the blood rush combo is to negate the need for the usual crit mods and get a better result. You will get a lower initial strike damage but a much higher DPS in the long run.

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

No, you would be better off with a combo duration mod as they feed off each other. The whole point of the blood rush combo is to negate the need for the usual crit mods and get a better result. You will get a lower initial strike damage but a much higher DPS in the long run.

The build shown already has Drifting Contact, though.

[AnonumusSoldier]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

No, you would be better off with a combo duration mod as they feed off each other. The whole point of the blood rush combo is to negate the need for the usual crit mods and get a better result. You will get a lower initial strike damage but a much higher DPS in the long run.

The build shown already has Drifting Contact, though.

My point was that blood rush is used to negate the need standard crit mods. If you have a mod space left use another utility mod like relentless combination

[Towik]

It feels really pathetic ,without Primed Reach

[Zahkriin]

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

The build shown already has Drifting Contact, though.

My point was that blood rush is used to negate the need standard crit mods. If you have a mod space left use another utility mod like relentless combination

you still want organ shatter in those builds, basicly you just exchange true still for blood rush to have a smaller initinal bonus but a insane bonus on the long run and keep in mind so higher the crit DMG multiplier so better the red crit scaling.

little side note to OP: blood rush does scales with flat crit chance boni like maiming strike, arcane avenger and cat's eye, wich allows you to get like 800% + crit chance on slide attacks (even higher is possible but unlickely).

[Towik]

The thing is my Riven is crap
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1135241836
at least thats my opinion

[AnonumusSoldier]

Originally posted by ID Zahkriin:

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

My point was that blood rush is used to negate the need standard crit mods. If you have a mod space left use another utility mod like relentless combination

you still want organ shatter in those builds, basicly you just exchange true still for blood rush to have a smaller initinal bonus but a insane bonus on the long run and keep in mind so higher the crit DMG multiplier so better the red crit scaling.

little side note to OP: blood rush does scales with flat crit chance boni like maiming strike, arcane avenger and cat's eye, wich allows you to get like 800% + crit chance on slide attacks (even higher is possible but unlickely).

Im guessing you havent tried/heard of Body Count combo + Relentless Weeping combo on slash based weapons. Plus his riven is basically half of a standard crit mod set, hes wasting even more space if he uses both the riven and the standard crit mod

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

The build shown already has Drifting Contact, though.

My point was that blood rush is used to negate the need standard crit mods. If you have a mod space left use another utility mod like relentless combination

The standard crit CHANCE mods. You miss out on a whole lot of DPS by not using any crit DAMAGE mods to take full advantage of all the extra chance provided by Blood Rush.

[Zahkriin]

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

Im guessing you havent tried/heard of Body Count combo + Relentless Weeping combo on slash based weapons.

what do you think?

Plus his riven is basically half of a standard crit mod set, hes wasting even more space if he uses both the riven and the standard crit mod

Originally posted by FeC Towik:

The thing is my Riven is crap
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1135241836
at least thats my opinion

some how that's a problem all high tier weapons have in common.. for instance i have a twin basolk riven with +140% crit chance on slide attack pretty damn good with blood rush and a CO based build. Just my opinion: it's not worth to get rivens for already extremly strong weapons.

@AnonumusSoldier you do relize how combo scaling works? and how much higher you combo multiplier had to be to make for the much lower crit multiplier espacily when it comes to red crits?

[AnonumusSoldier]

Originally posted by ID Zahkriin:

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

Im guessing you havent tried/heard of Body Count combo + Relentless Weeping combo on slash based weapons.

what do you think?

Plus his riven is basically half of a standard crit mod set, hes wasting even more space if he uses both the riven and the standard crit mod

Originally posted by FeC Towik:

The thing is my Riven is crap
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1135241836
at least thats my opinion

some how that's a problem all high tier weapons have in common.. for instance i have a twin basolk riven with +140% crit chance on slide attack pretty damn good with blood rush and a CO based build. Just my opinion: it's not worth to get rivens for already extremly strong weapons.

@AnonumusSoldier you do relize how combo scaling works? and how much higher you combo multiplier had to be to make for the much lower crit multiplier espacily when it comes to red crits?

still not using weeping wounds/relentless combo...
and yes i do know exactly how combo scaling works, i just feel that youi are missing out on alot of potential by doubling up on mods that do the exact same thing. The whole point of all these utility mods that DE has added to the game is to break the box on the meta way of modding. instead people just stack them on top of the old way and completly ignore all other possibilities.

[Zahkriin]

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

still not using weeping wounds/relentless combo...
and yes i do know exactly how combo scaling works, i just feel that youi are missing out on alot of potential by doubling up on mods that do the exact same thing. The whole point of all these utility mods that DE has added to the game is to break the box on the meta way of modding. instead people just stack them on top of the old way and completly ignore all other possibilities.

ineed i still see no use for weeaping wounds since there's no point in having over 100% status chance.. and still blood rush and organ shatter do diffrent things but support the same...
and it's not about "breaking" out of the meta......
and i'm aware of all the possibilities..

[AnonumusSoldier]

Originally posted by ID Zahkriin:

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

still not using weeping wounds/relentless combo...
and yes i do know exactly how combo scaling works, i just feel that youi are missing out on alot of potential by doubling up on mods that do the exact same thing. The whole point of all these utility mods that DE has added to the game is to break the box on the meta way of modding. instead people just stack them on top of the old way and completly ignore all other possibilities.

ineed i still see no use for weeaping wounds since there's no point in having over 100% status chance..

the status chance feeds the slash procs which feeds the relentless combination.

Originally posted by ID Zahkriin:

it's not about "breaking" out of the meta......

yes it very much is

Originally posted by ID Zahkriin:

and still blood rush and organ shatter do diffrent things but support the same...

you do realize that means the same thing right? you can travel two roads to get to a city but the city is the same city when you arrive.....

Originally posted by ID Zahkriin:

and i'm aware of all the possibilities.. .

You may be aware of the possibilities but you havent tried them to see thier potential. Ill demonstrate.
if you take this build
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1135286708
spawn 20 level 145 corrupted gunners and kill them under valks warcry

it will take you 2 min and 40 seconds (varried by your FPS)

and you will achieve a 3x450 multiplier, seeing around 35k red crit strikes

However, if you take the same build but replace the standard crit mods with Weeping Wounds and relentless combination you will shave 30 seconds off your time and achieve a 4x 1654 multiplier seeing around 80k red crit strikes.


Case and Point Closed

[Zahkriin]

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

Case and Point Closed

yeah because a simulacrum test is a actual mission. and still i never said use true steel, i'm just saying that you should use organ shatter on top you did use corrosion, mabye use radiation(or whatever else) to keep the results a bit more consitent because we're talking about the influence of crit not the power of status in general.