Bullet sponge =/= difficulty: Not so hard mode.

[Radioactive Grass]

I feel like the core problem with

[Jaynoble55]

Nothing sub 200th level Grinnies are a bullet sponge. As I said earlier. Its trivial content. A proper veteran or "endgame" level player has access to mods and weapons that can kill sub 200 heavies in one to two seconds. Hardly a bullet sponge.

If you are taking longer than 4 seconds to kill a heavy at this level range the following below will be true.

A) You are not a veteran. Get to farming.

B) You are intentionally taking a weak weapon and or mods.

C) If you have the gear and still are taking 4+ seconds to drop a sub 200 heavy then you have to evaluate if you a competent player.


I play solo 95% of the time. I have ZERO problems with killing even lvl 300 heavies in under 4 seconds. But I have every gun and a every mod (literally) maxed. I know how to load out a weapon for the content im playing. Nothing makes me any different from the average player except what I have mentioned above.

That means if this content is giving you a problem....

A) You are not a veteran and this mode isnt for you. Get farming.

B) You are not very good at this game. ( I say this without malice and e-peen.)

[Cylixx]

Wow Jaynoble. I can happily say I would turn and run at the sight of you. No one wants anything to do with that, lol.

[Mr_Faorry]

Originally posted by Jaynoble55:

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I'd hardly say that not being able to instantly nuke the end 1% of content makes someone a bad player.

[Just Life]

Level 100+ enemy should not be a issue to anyone with the current equipment we have. If you can do Arbitration, the new hard mode should start around those levels and it just plays out like a normal mission type. Kinda expecting people to steam roll it day 1.

[Yuki]

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

Originally posted by Jaynoble55:

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I'd hardly say that not being able to instantly nuke the end 1% of content makes someone a bad player.

4 seconds isnt instant. Jaynoble is not a veteran but rather slow :P


I agree with the OP, bullet sponging isnt difficulty.
We once had actual difficulty, but know what?
People cried about. Cried that "only a few people with no life now hold the monopoly of arcanes".
And those oh so tiny few that succeeded, well at some point and if you did that often enough "difficult" was kind of subjective...
But if people are too dump to succeed in such, its not them being bad, its always the game that is to blame. Thats why high difficulty MMO's fail- and why DE had to put an end to slightly difficult content.

[Jaynoble55]

Originally posted by Yuki:

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

I'd hardly say that not being able to instantly nuke the end 1% of content makes someone a bad player.

4 seconds isnt instant. Jaynoble is not a veteran but rather slow :P


I agree with the OP, bullet sponging isnt difficulty.
We once had actual difficulty, but know what?
People cried about. Cried that "only a few people with no life now hold the monopoly of arcanes".
And those oh so tiny few that succeeded, well at some point and if you did that often enough "difficult" was kind of subjective...
But if people are too dump to succeed in such, its not them being bad, its always the game that is to blame. Thats why high difficulty MMO's fail- and why DE had to put an end to slightly difficult content.

4 seconds is being VERY nice. Im shooting at the lowest common denom here.

[Jaynoble55]

Originally posted by Mr_Faorry:

Originally posted by Jaynoble55:

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I'd hardly say that not being able to instantly nuke the end 1% of content makes someone a bad player.

Yes, but it is one potential factor. As ive stated.

[Jaynoble55]

Originally posted by Cylixx:

Wow Jaynoble. I can happily say I would turn and run at the sight of you. No one wants anything to do with that, lol.

But yet that does not refute anything I have posted. Perhaps you need to be less emotional and farm a little more ;)

[Cylixx]

Originally posted by Jaynoble55:

Originally posted by Cylixx:

Wow Jaynoble. I can happily say I would turn and run at the sight of you. No one wants anything to do with that, lol.

But yet that does not refute anything I have posted. Perhaps you need to be less emotional and farm a little more ;)

Bloke, hiding your emotions behind snide remarks is easily recognized. If no one ever pulls you up on gross you sound, you'll keep doing it.

Better for you to learn this lesson from a polite person on forums rather than get your ass handed to you in public by Chad.

[Flamboyant]

Then dont fkin play it dammit, i would like to see these sortie modifiers on starchart with 140+ lvls, i might be a meta ♥♥♥♥ ( like 90% of ppl who play the game more than twice a week, right ) but trust me when there are 20 mobs who dont die from 5 bramma arrows it adds a bit of difficulty u will have to use ur magus lockdown, u will have to cast more than 2 times per minute with ur saryn.

Remeber scarlet spear, u had to get decent weapons and cheesy tactics to last the whole run, ur meta now finally has some purpose (tho it still will be trivial if u have like zaws with god roll rivens and such) why the heck should i dislike it

Edit: i had to agree with Jay, every time anything tougher than a charger appears in game some ppl instantly start bichin, when railjack was released ppl cried so damn much about boarding parties being nearly immortal like okay i gotchu u love ur braton but at least max out ur serration if u put fair amount of hours into the game

[Kawalorn]

Originally posted by Jaynoble55:

Nothing sub 200th level Grinnies are a bullet sponge. As I said earlier. Its trivial content. A proper veteran or "endgame" level player has access to mods and weapons that can kill sub 200 heavies in one to two seconds. Hardly a bullet sponge.

If you are taking longer than 4 seconds to kill a heavy at this level range the following below will be true.

A) You are not a veteran. Get to farming.

B) You are intentionally taking a weak weapon and or mods.

C) If you have the gear and still are taking 4+ seconds to drop a sub 200 heavy then you have to evaluate if you a competent player.


I play solo 95% of the time. I have ZERO problems with killing even lvl 300 heavies in under 4 seconds. But I have every gun and a every mod (literally) maxed. I know how to load out a weapon for the content im playing. Nothing makes me any different from the average player except what I have mentioned above.

That means if this content is giving you a problem....

A) You are not a veteran and this mode isnt for you. Get farming.

B) You are not very good at this game. ( I say this without malice and e-peen.)

Just FYI, Steel Path enemies have double the HP of what they are supposed to have on their level, and also Sortie Armor and Shield modifiers.

From what I saw it gets pretty ridiculous on some heavies.

[Flamboyant]

Originally posted by Kawalorn:

Originally posted by Jaynoble55:

Nothing sub 200th level Grinnies are a bullet sponge. As I said earlier. Its trivial content. A proper veteran or "endgame" level player has access to mods and weapons that can kill sub 200 heavies in one to two seconds. Hardly a bullet sponge.

If you are taking longer than 4 seconds to kill a heavy at this level range the following below will be true.

A) You are not a veteran. Get to farming.

B) You are intentionally taking a weak weapon and or mods.

C) If you have the gear and still are taking 4+ seconds to drop a sub 200 heavy then you have to evaluate if you a competent player.


I play solo 95% of the time. I have ZERO problems with killing even lvl 300 heavies in under 4 seconds. But I have every gun and a every mod (literally) maxed. I know how to load out a weapon for the content im playing. Nothing makes me any different from the average player except what I have mentioned above.

That means if this content is giving you a problem....

A) You are not a veteran and this mode isnt for you. Get farming.

B) You are not very good at this game. ( I say this without malice and e-peen.)

Just FYI, Steel Path enemies have double the HP of what they are supposed to have on their level, and also Sortie Armor and Shield modifiers.

From what I saw it gets pretty ridiculous on some heavies.

Like our weapons dealing billions of damage is not ridiculous at all :D

[Yuki]

Originally posted by Flamboyant:

Like our weapons dealing billions of damage is not ridiculous at all :D

No. Its called inflation. Currencies have it, and so do games.
And we are still on inlfation levels, not hyperinflation. Because yes thats also a possibility, has happened before and wasnt any good.
Whoever is found at high inflation levels though always has to fear the risk of hyperinflation, and WF is in this danger zone.

[76561198184280354]

True with good enough mods and knowledge about how to use them youCAN nuke Lvl 300 like they were a fly, but i do think this games engame shouldnt be accessible to only +1000 hr vets

[agentkido]

When's steel path even releasing!?