Warframe not an MMO???

[Of Flesh & Bone]

****UPDATE*****

Thank you to everyone who has shared their opinions. So far I have seen that the majority of people believe that Warframe is not an MMO despite it having similar mechanics as one, and that alot of games on steam have been mislabeled as MMO's. So I wonder how would be the shortest and best way to describe Warframe to someone. What labels can we all agree with? I wouldn't call it a coop shooter because Warframe seems to have so much more than what you generally find it a coop shooter. Would you guys call Warframe an MMO-lite? MMO-lite shooter or MMO-lite coop shooter? (this will be the last update and then I will let this post die. Again thank you everyone for your time)

****ORIGINAL POST****

Why is it that Warframe lacks the category "MMO" on it's steam store page? You have games such as Neverwinter and Dungeon & Dragons online that feature the majority of their gameplay in instances, just like Warframe, yet they have the category "MMO" featured on their store page while Warframe does not. Through the region chat, relays, and game events you can feel the weight of other players always there. I never feel truly alone when I play Warframe and I believe it deserves the category "MMO" on it's steam store page. But that is just me, let me know what you guys think. Do you agree or disagree? I'd love to hear what other people think.

****IMPORTANT****
Ok so alot more people are coming in and sharing there opinions which is great. I originally felt that Warframe not having the category "MMO" on the store page meant that some people may miss out on finding this game when they are looking for a new MMO to play, that and I believe it deserved the category more rather than not. However, now the discussion seems to be turning into what we the people define the term MMO to be. Which is fine, I have nothing against the way the discussion is turning but ℛaveÐƵ in post #18 mentioned something important. They remember a long running forum thread from Vindictus where players heatedly argued about this similar topic for that game. WE ARE NOT THEM! Everyone in here is in love with Warframe and we will not stoop down to petty bickering and heated arguments. It is beneath us Tenno. If you are here it is to share your opinions and expand your knowledge/reasoning. Whether you disagree or agree.

[Grey Star, The Rival Defender]

4 people at once = not an MMO, even if the game has all the backend systems of one.

[Of Flesh & Bone]

Originally posted by Grey Star, the Rival Defender:

4 people at once = not an MMO, even if the game has all the backend systems of one.

Again, so the games I mentioned above; Neverwinter and DDO they mainly feature gameplay of 4 or 6 people at once. They have the category MMO but not Warframe. Why?

[Walrus-Sama]

MMO as a term seems to have lost it's meaning.

[Of Flesh & Bone]

Originally posted by Walrus-Sama:

MMO as a term seems to have lost it's meaning.

How so?

[Grey Star, The Rival Defender]

Originally posted by J_wolfpawn:

Originally posted by Grey Star, the Rival Defender:

4 people at once = not an MMO, even if the game has all the backend systems of one.

Again, so the games I mentioned above; Neverwinter and DDO they mainly feature gameplay of 4 or 6 people at once. They have the category MMO but not Warframe. Why?

Don’t ask me why those are MMOs, all I can explain the reasoning why Warframe isn’t.

[Walrus-Sama]

Originally posted by J_wolfpawn:

Originally posted by Walrus-Sama:

MMO as a term seems to have lost it's meaning.

How so?

I dunno. I guess Warframe kinda falls under that to some extent, but it doesn't really play or feel like an MMO.

[Ci]

what´s your problem

[^3Tinkles]

Originally posted by J_wolfpawn:

Originally posted by Walrus-Sama:

MMO as a term seems to have lost it's meaning.

How so?

MMO is, WoW level. Where you can crash because 50+ people (more lik 200+) are all at the auction house or mailbox. Whereas with Warframe (and the other games you mentioned) where in the actual game it's only up to 4 people. That isn't massive, just multiplayer. So those other games you mentioned are MIS-LABELED, and aren't true MMO's.

Thus this comment.

Originally posted by Walrus-Sama:

MMO as a term seems to have lost it's meaning.

Because none of those games are MMOs. :)

[Of Flesh & Bone]

Originally posted by RUISEÑOR NOSE NOOOO NO TE CREO:

what´s your problem

No problem. Just genuinely curious. If someone where to search under the category "MMO" on steam that they wouldn't come across it. They would find Path of Exile, Vindictus, Neverwinter, Dungeons & Dragons and so on and so on. Plenty of games that share the similar 4 people at once or 6 people at once yet Warframe that does the same is not found under there. And it would suck if someone were to miss out on such an amazing game when they were looking up MMOs on steam. (I know I know, someone in 2018 who hasn't heard of Warframe? I'm just saying). I love Warframe and if someone were to ask me which MMO they should give a try, I would say Warframe. Honestly I just got bored and was browsing Steam and noticed this and it got me curious.

[Of Flesh & Bone]

Originally posted by ^3Tinkles:

Originally posted by J_wolfpawn:

How so?

MMO is, WoW level. Where you can crash because 50+ people (more lik 200+) are all at the auction house or mailbox. Whereas with Warframe (and the other games you mentioned) where in the actual game it's only up to 4 people. That isn't massive, just multiplayer. So those other games you mentioned are MIS-LABELED, and aren't true MMO's.

Thus this comment.

Originally posted by Walrus-Sama:

MMO as a term seems to have lost it's meaning.

Because none of those games are MMOs. :)

Ah ok. I see what you and Walrus-Sama are saying. So those games I mentioned, and I'm guessing a few others, are mislabled and Warframe did it right. So how would I explain Warframe to a friend or stranger that is insterested in trying someone new? If they asked for an MMO could I still suggest Warframe?

[Grey Star, The Rival Defender]

Originally posted by J_wolfpawn:

Originally posted by ^3Tinkles:

MMO is, WoW level. Where you can crash because 50+ people (more lik 200+) are all at the auction house or mailbox. Whereas with Warframe (and the other games you mentioned) where in the actual game it's only up to 4 people. That isn't massive, just multiplayer. So those other games you mentioned are MIS-LABELED, and aren't true MMO's.

Thus this comment.


Because none of those games are MMOs. :)

Ah ok. I see what you and Walrus-Sama are saying. So those games I mentioned, and I'm guessing a few others, are mislabled and Warframe did it right. So how would I explain to a friend or stranger that is insterested in trying someone new? If they asked for an MMO could I still suggest Warframe?

When people say MMO they want a game where they can play with a massive amount of people on one side, not just overall, in a single instance and not just in the game world. If they want a game with MMO like elements, suggest Warframe.

[Of Flesh & Bone]

Originally posted by Grey Star, the Rival Defender:

Originally posted by J_wolfpawn:

Ah ok. I see what you and Walrus-Sama are saying. So those games I mentioned, and I'm guessing a few others, are mislabled and Warframe did it right. So how would I explain to a friend or stranger that is insterested in trying someone new? If they asked for an MMO could I still suggest Warframe?

When people say MMO they want a game where they can play with a massive amount of people on one side, not just overall, in a single instance and not just in the game world. If they want a game with MMO like elements, suggest Warframe.

Thank you Grey Star. Ok I think I got it. Where I thought Warframe was being left out of a category that I thought it deserved others believe labling it as an MMO would be mislabling it. Sure the term MMO has sort of deteriorated, evolved, or just lost its essence throughout the years with so many games now only being online always and having such a large number of players online at the same time. It appears its not the large number of players, but how you interact with such players. There is a difference between World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, Everquest, Destiney 2, Arch Age, ESO (games that feature interaction with large numbers of players, usually in an "overworld") and games like Neverwinter, Dungeons & Dragons, Path of Exile, Vindictus (games that feaure interacting with smaller numbers of 4 or 6 players in instances, and lack an "overworld").

Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts. This has been a learning experience.

[[R] Nerva]

Steam categories and tags do not define a game.

[Of Flesh & Bone]

Originally posted by R Nerva:

Steam categories and tags do not define a game.

True!

[TheLightningYu | Mike]

Originally posted by ^3Tinkles:

Originally posted by J_wolfpawn:

How so?

MMO is, WoW level. Where you can crash because 50+ people (more lik 200+) are all at the auction house or mailbox. Whereas with Warframe (and the other games you mentioned) where in the actual game it's only up to 4 people. That isn't massive, just multiplayer. So those other games you mentioned are MIS-LABELED, and aren't true MMO's.

I have to disagree with you, because there is an difference between meaning of Words and Definition / Tag / Terms. And even by Meaning also you would most likely lost, because massively multiplayer online don't claim / suggest if it meant to played in one instance or played overall... but even if that would be the case, it would still differ from Terms / Definition / Tag.

Most People consider MMO in terms / tag as Online-Games which offers MMO-Typical Features, like Playertrading, the way how content / updates delivered, the way how people act together (Guilds, Guilds Features [like houses] Global Chat, also as above mentioned the playeramount overall... and not how many in one instance) encouraging of Group-play due Dungeons / Instances, the way how Crafting works, the way how Quests and Story works and such, the way how Grinding works, Progression and so on, and so on.) - that's also (and funny some people misunderstand the question as well) the reason why people sometimes ask (you can google it) for an Offline-MMORPG due classical singleplayer RPG simply feels way different....

Warframe would fit the MMO Term, and i would argue that most people feel like it was an MMO... that's why his Question / Point is completly valid...