Buying amps with plat

[Taddy Mason]

Is this a thing? Will it become one? Or will they always be something you have to do eidolon hunts to farm?

I thought I had another amp besides the basic mote on this account but apparently I don’t. I would much rather pay money than do the necessary amount of hunts to boost my standing and then buy the parts and then craft the parts for something that I don’t need and often won’t use.

[Pakaku]

The rank 1 prism got a strong buff a while back, so you could always do the minimum amount of farming and still get something pretty good for it.

[Yuki]

Many people also use the fortuna parts exclusively. No Eidolon Hunting required. Although you may want to do so anyways for eidolon shards and hence your focus tree. Maybe with the Fortuna Amp? ;)
Imho that one is also the most viable for "non Eidolon uses". Plus the arcanes!
Operator mode is an integral part of the game nowadays, so your mileage on "never use" is quite likely to last way less than you may think now.
From every mission over Lua Ascension and cheesing Ayatan hunts to simply dashing over canyons and traversing a level safely at high speeds, OP mode got you covered.

You will need the Fortuna grind for other things anyways.

[Taddy Mason]

Originally posted by in:

They should reduce amount of stuff sold for plat, not increase..

if plat wasn't tradeable, i'd totally agree, but it is. so why not?

[Taddy Mason]

Originally posted by Yuki:

Many people also use the fortuna parts exclusively. No Eidolon Hunting required. Although you may want to do so anyways for eidolon shards and hence your focus tree. Maybe with the Fortuna Amp? ;)
Imho that one is also the most viable for "non Eidolon uses". Plus the arcanes!
Operator mode is an integral part of the game nowadays, so your mileage on "never use" is quite likely to last way less than you may think now.
From every mission over Lua Ascension and cheesing Ayatan hunts to simply dashing over canyons and traversing a level safely at high speeds, OP mode got you covered.

You will need the Fortuna grind for other things anyways.

i didn't say never use. i said i often won't use it.

do I have to have max standing with Fortuna? cause i'm rank 3 in both I think. I rarely do stuff in the open worlds. and i main Gauss so all of that stuff mentioned is unnecessary if you're playing him.

[Taddy Mason]

Originally posted by Pakaku:

The rank 1 prism got a strong buff a while back, so you could always do the minimum amount of farming and still get something pretty good for it.

i'm rank 2 now with the quills. that's not the issue. the issue is I can buy Zaws, kitguns, and all the resources to make zaws and kitguns with plat-but i can't with the amps. it seems out of place. is there a reason for it? if not, why not just let us buy them?

[Zake]

Originally posted by in:

They should reduce amount of stuff sold for plat, not increase..

Eh, options aren't bad. Some people are happy to pay plat prices for things if it gets them what they want.

I honestly don't mind as long as there is a way to get the stuff without paying (if it impacts gameplay). You also can trade for plat, which is nice.

Originally posted by Taddy Mason:

Originally posted by Yuki:

Many people also use the fortuna parts exclusively. No Eidolon Hunting required. Although you may want to do so anyways for eidolon shards and hence your focus tree. Maybe with the Fortuna Amp? ;)
Imho that one is also the most viable for "non Eidolon uses". Plus the arcanes!
Operator mode is an integral part of the game nowadays, so your mileage on "never use" is quite likely to last way less than you may think now.
From every mission over Lua Ascension and cheesing Ayatan hunts to simply dashing over canyons and traversing a level safely at high speeds, OP mode got you covered.

You will need the Fortuna grind for other things anyways.

i didn't say never use. i said i often won't use it.

do I have to have max standing with Fortuna? cause i'm rank 3 in both I think. I rarely do stuff in the open worlds. and i main Gauss so all of that stuff mentioned is unnecessary if you're playing him.

I haven't played Gauss yet, and while I'm sure he is a fast boi, I did see someone with a highly upgraded (maxed maybe?) void dash, increasing speed of the dash, range, maybe total energy. They just teleported across the plains.

Couldn't keep up with an old Archwing (when they were faster?).

It was quite the sight, but the farm seems horrendous (for all those focus points).

[Taddy Mason]

Originally posted by Zake:

Originally posted by in:

They should reduce amount of stuff sold for plat, not increase..

Eh, options aren't bad. Some people are happy to pay plat prices for things if it gets them what they want.

I honestly don't mind as long as there is a way to get the stuff without paying (if it impacts gameplay). You also can trade for plat, which is nice.

Originally posted by Taddy Mason:

i didn't say never use. i said i often won't use it.

do I have to have max standing with Fortuna? cause i'm rank 3 in both I think. I rarely do stuff in the open worlds. and i main Gauss so all of that stuff mentioned is unnecessary if you're playing him.

I haven't played Gauss yet, and while I'm sure he is a fast boi, I did see someone with a highly upgraded (maxed maybe?) void dash, increasing speed of the dash, range, maybe total energy. They just teleported across the plains.

Couldn't keep up with an old Archwing (when they were faster?).

It was quite the sight, but the farm seems horrendous (for all those focus points).

fair enough, but i'm a vazarin main and the amount of time it would take to fill out a whole new tree is not worth it. plus i don't play the open worlds unless there's a nightwave challenge asking me to and often not even then. they kinda suck and were a bad design. why we couldn't get a massive city where we could parkour our way from one side to the other is beyond me. 2 fairly flat empty maps where you have to fly for 30 seconds or so from destination to destination bores the ♥♥♥♥ out of me. maybe i'd be more inclined to play them if i didn't have to leave the hubs outside them every time i wanted to craft something because DE couldn't be bothered to give us a foundry there.

[Yuki]

Originally posted by Taddy Mason:

Originally posted by Pakaku:

The rank 1 prism got a strong buff a while back, so you could always do the minimum amount of farming and still get something pretty good for it.

i'm rank 2 now with the quills. that's not the issue. the issue is I can buy Zaws, kitguns, and all the resources to make zaws and kitguns with plat-but i can't with the amps. it seems out of place. is there a reason for it? if not, why not just let us buy them?

DE keeps some "high end" things intentionally out of reach of plat and/or intentionally off "their" market.
You cant buy all you need, just speed up the progress in most areas. Amps are kind of end of the line. As are arcanes and primes, with the later two being intentionally put into the "second market", into players hands to make sure people spread the wealth! Thats what makes warframes system so fair.

Same goes for some of the most rare resources, see Argons and Nitain. So there is always something to work (farm) towards.
The actual choices might be, no are indeed "questionable". The actual position where they "draw the line", but imho there is kind of a visible red line here and i personally generally approve that there is. Even though right now 20 nitain are all i need to be able to say "i completed warframe" :D

Originally posted by Zake:

I haven't played Gauss yet, and while I'm sure he is a fast boi, I did see someone with a highly upgraded (maxed maybe?) void dash, increasing speed of the dash, range, maybe total energy. They just teleported across the plains.

Couldn't keep up with an old Archwing (when they were faster?).

It was quite the sight, but the farm seems horrendous (for all those focus points).

While Gauss is indeed not among the slowest, explicitly being the warframe advertised for speed he was a great disappointment.
In racing it was even considered to classify him as "B Tier", (D-C-B-A-S, so kinda middle class) putting him behind a huge bunch of frames already known to be fast.
People, especially old racers like me naturally would have expected him to be the third contribution to the S-Class (so fast they are banned from racing, Nova and Titania), or at least "upper A". After some discussion and also some changes he is now largely considered "lower A".

With some tricks he could be made faster than an old Itzal (without the Itzal using its blink), thats likely what you have seen?
However that included: Doing so in captura mode so you can have 8 people in the group of which 7 where only there to buff Gauss.
Honestly- thats a meme, because with that many buffs nearly every frame can outrun an Itzal.

Point is there are several frames which can do so on their very own, even put against blinking Itzals with max mods. One frame can even do so in a "standard mission build" that isnt directly aimed at racing (Titania). So while not being slow, Gauss sadly also isnt really "the embodiment of speed".

At most his match run just adds some neat visual effects (blurr, changed field of view) which let most people THINK they are fast. When- in fact- the speed increase does not only lack freedom of move but also isnt that fast. Actually fast frames will often "outrun" him during his match run with a simple bullet jump. Especially in a mission build. Thats also something to keep in mind:
What he has going for him is mainly the highest base speed of all frames which means he can do better without any mods contributed to movement. While other frames simply either have the space to do so and still stay 100% "mission viable" (Gauss cant without sacrificing efficiency) or have other buffs that go into that direction, may it be passive movement enhancers or even more potent "dash" abilities.

So yes, he's a fast boy, but sadly kinda the last in that leading group.

And yes, a fully skilled void dash is also way faster than any Gauss can dream of, than ANY frame can dream of-let alone it can be used into every direction, including up! Thats how you cheese many things like Lua Ascension or Ayatan hunts. The only downside is that if you aint the host chances are switching into operator mode makes you loose more time than you gain from dashing, unless dashing is used to reach otherwise not so easy to reach places. Like dashing up those large multi story staircases on Jupiter or traverse some of those grineer cluttered open area junkyard rooms in the blink of an eye.

There is indeed a lot of grind put to it, mainly Eidolons. Just get started. Its usually not the last thing to be completed in the focus tree and it becomes a neat tool way before you have it "maxed".

[Montiblanc]

they should random sell amps the way the npcs sell modular weapons

[Taddy Mason]

Originally posted by Montiblanc:

they should random sell amps the way the npcs sell modular weapons

right? it just seems like an oversight more than an intentional choice not to.