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Radioactive Grass 2020 年 6 月 13 日 下午 1:31
Protea hate?
I've been seeing a lot of people say that protea is a disappointing warframe and talk about how her abilities are useless, but I dont quite understand why.

She seems to be a jack of all trades and master of none. Her abilities are great no matter the mission so I dont really understand why theres been a lot of dislike for her.
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CaptainPOCK 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 4:47 
引用自 CooWhip360
Can’t please everyone. Some people are gonna be picky no matter what. I personally enjoy her for most missions.
Give it some time. It will subside. The usage of her, that is.
最後修改者:CaptainPOCK; 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 4:48
Kaom 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 5:11 
So, in fact the main problem of this Warframe is that there are no links between the abilities, unlike Gauss, Grendel (and also Wisp)?
The only "link" is the passive.

Another problem being the fact that each of her abilities are weaker than what can do other warframes?
最後修改者:Kaom; 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 7:02
CaptainPOCK 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 5:18 
Wisp is the embodiement of synergy. Literally all of her abilities are in one way or another linked. Same goes for Octavia. Or Volt... Or Mag... Or Ivara... Or Baruuk... Or...
RogueVoxel 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 5:49 
I think its a mixture of annoying to get, and that her 4 just doesnt work well in this game
A Bonafide Skeleton 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 6:31 
引用自 Mhblis
If its not a single button screen nuke you see the complaints everytime. I mean there are still people who say Wisp is awful.

And yet the people who dont need that get on and play the game. Others take there time and actually play the frame for a bit trying builds.. most are still farming her.

In the end there will be actual constructive critism, a few likely tweaks and the world will complain about Nezha Prime. You see it rvery frame over the last few years.
That's not why people are complaining about her though.
The problem isn't that she's not a one button nuke frame, the problem is that she's a badly designed fodder frame.
Even if you were to replace her 4 with a giant bomb that clears floors she would still be a bunch of leftover Vauban ideas crammed together with little synergy that doesn't actually bring anything to the table.
Yuki 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 7:49 
引用自 Antho31
So, in fact the main problem of this Warframe is that there are no links between the abilities, unlike Gauss, Grendel (and also Wisp)?
The only "link" is the passive.

Another problem being the fact that each of her abilities are weaker than what can do other warframes?
Pretty much nailed it. And not only warframes.

To give you an example: Even with maximized stats and making use of her passive her 3, the "team support", is at most comparable if not weaker than someone bringing a Dethcube with Synth Deconstruct and a decent sentinel gun. Which is a standard issue for many skill spamming frames just for themselves already, though the team often profits just as much.
It depends a bit on the tileset which of them both would get the upper hand with Protea taking the lead in static extremely open environments with low enemy count like the corpus outdoor defenses. Which are...rather rare situations.
While the Sentinel gets the upper hand especially in more frequently encountered mobile missions or static but crowded close quarter situations like Kuva Survival.
And thats not even funny, its a shame to be put to shame by a single sentinel.
Let alone the health, shield and energy frames like Harrow or Trinity can supply, thats immediately worlds above and beyond. Even Mag and Hyldrin, which most people wont immediately think of as support, can do much much better. But its Protea having this "dedicated support skill". Among other skills that...yea, see above.

That said its about Protea, not the patch in general. The new Helstrum for example classifies as a decent Sentinel weapon, if not even possibly the best for Energy Generator and Synth Deconstruct. Mine still needs a few more forma though before i can properly compare it, but its very promising so far.
The Stahlta looks very decent too. The new primary kitguns have their use as well, without being massively overpowered. Although the Tombfinger at least touches cringe worthy territory.
Or the new Moa who now can actually survive some!
Overall there where a lot of neat things. Just Protea...isnt really one of them unless for the new animations and other fancy stuff.
Tom Cruise 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 8:08 
She's mainly a support so people who are more used to damage dealing or tanking frames are obviously disappointed
Yuki 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 8:20 
引用自 Tom Cruise
She's mainly a support so people who are more used to damage dealing or tanking frames are obviously disappointed
You mean she is supposed to be supported by her team? For what?
A Bonafide Skeleton 2020 年 6 月 14 日 下午 9:50 
引用自 Tom Cruise
She's mainly a support so people who are more used to damage dealing or tanking frames are obviously disappointed
Even for a support frame she's underwhelming, everything she does can be done better and with greater efficiency than her.
She just needs a total rework, scrap the weird engineer focus and instead expand on her time abilities.
fmalfeas 2020 年 6 月 15 日 上午 2:24 
引用自 A Bonafide Skeleton
引用自 Tom Cruise
She's mainly a support so people who are more used to damage dealing or tanking frames are obviously disappointed
Even for a support frame she's underwhelming, everything she does can be done better and with greater efficiency than her.
She just needs a total rework, scrap the weird engineer focus and instead expand on her time abilities.

I'd say to focus on the 'Protean' thing. Have her just /change the rules of the fights/.

Instead of a dispenser, let her have some kind of emitter that either tunes the party's shields to resist the damage type they're being hit by the most, or that disrupts enemy weapon systems, changing their damage type. Sure, you may not want to use that second mode all the time, but if the enemy is spamming out Heat or Toxic or Magnetic procs, changing them to literally /anything else/ would probably be helpful.

Instead of the turret, give her the ability to warp the time of a 'minor' thing in the area. Namely, status effects, resolving the entire stack *now*. This would (dangerously) clear out toxic, gas, viral, and heat procs on the squad, it would clear out the other debuffs without resolving all their damage. And for the enemies, all the damage lurking in their statuses would suddenly be piled on. Like Saryn and Ignis really needed that extra boost...
[88th] ColPresumptuous 2020 年 6 月 16 日 上午 12:44 
引用自 NostallgiaK
It's annoying to see anyone defend her 2. no one is saying it has to be the next coming of saryn ffs.

So because some people like it or can work with it it annoys you?.. If I or others like her and use her 2 regularly whats that doing to your game play or how you play the game?.. how is that in any way shape or form annoying?

If she isnt your thing, then she isnt your thing...
EXTRA THICC 2020 年 6 月 16 日 上午 5:29 
She is the type of frame that does things to help out her team, but everything she does, others do it better.
Also, that ultimate ability is really not getting used at all. I even used forma to try to make her useful, but with no real success. She really is, as most of you call it, useless in her own way.
A true disappointment.
DLOZanma 2020 年 6 月 18 日 上午 3:15 
引用自 Antho31
Another problem being the fact that each of her abilities are weaker than what can do other warframes?
Dumb argument. If that is the case then you should sell all of your frames but Saryn, Mesa, Trinity, and maybe 2 other more. They do stuff much better than any other, why bother keeping the other 30+ frames in your inventory?
CaptainPOCK 2020 年 6 月 18 日 上午 3:21 
If you love her so much, why don't you marry her then? It's statements like these that cause things to never be fixed. Unfortunately for the Warframe or weapon in question.

Her kit isn't anything special, her abilities lack duration and usability, her 4th ability doesn't fit into the pace of Warframe 90% of the time and her only somewhat good ability is her shield restoration.
Katzh 2020 年 6 月 18 日 上午 5:54 
she's great.
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