Why should I continue..... (A question to DE)

[BOONAKER]

Seems to me anything a person works hard on in this game they nerf it.... So here is my question what is the point or even the motivation to get anything new in the game this includes warframes and all weapons? Whats the point of even spending plat in the game... Oh yeah you got that new warframe that's real nice.... Ah wait here comes DE lets nerf it till its absolute junk... Whats the point of getting rivens? Ah yeah you rolled that riven 50x..... but were gonna nerf it till its junk have a nice day... My advice I give to people who are new to the game now... Don't spend plat on rivens EVER why? Because if you get a nice riven give it time DE will nerf it... So what's the point of spending plat on rivens???? I wonder has DE even thought of putting this into there model of the game because it seems to me you SHOULDN'T spend plat on anything... because if you do DE will hit it with the nerf hammer till its nothing at all...

So if any DE person is reading here is my question to you, what motivation should I even have to play your game anymore because it seems like you have taken that away.... The only reason I even play your game anymore is because my son plays... What I am gonna say to him if he wants plat... Find a way to get yourself because I am not buying plat EVER....

[BOONAKER]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mhblis:

So all the things you listed are Play the game. If you are considering them wasted then why are you playing the game.

You brought up 2k plat for Rivens.

Now anyone who buys Plat and pays that much for a temporary increase in power made that decision for themselves. They have no legs to stand on and complain later.

They have been clear from the very start that Rivens will be reviewed and changed. So again your choice to invest there.

Thats nice.... I have never spent 2k on plat on rivens.... or 2k on anything in warframe I was just giving an example....

Does DE really think that after they keep nerfing something somebody has paid for do they really expect them to continue to pay money for it... I wouldn't...

[BOONAKER]

[quote=Big Poppa Pump}

Because this is a MULTI-PLAYER GAME. You play with 3 other people. Some weapons and abilities make others play time less enjoyable. They get fixed for the greater good. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few..ect. [/quote]

When I play this game it seems like the noobs complain the most... They cry because they didn't get as much kills as someone else... What they don't realize is that if a person is getting 2x as much kills as they are. The person getting the most kills gets the least amount of xp per kill... While the noobs who get maybe 50 kills for 5 rounds gets the most amount of xp per kill...

DE did this because of the whinners I can see the reasoning in it too... This is why you get people in Elite Sanctuary that get maybe 150 kills for 8 waves sometimes get a crap ton of focus for doing nothing....

My reasoning for this post... is why should ANY person work hard to make anything good in this game... Doesn't matter what it is, DE will eventually whack it with the nerf hammer like they are playing whack a mole....

[BOONAKER]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Curious Fox:

Considering it was to the extent that "if you don't use this weapon, you objectively lose DPS". It deserved it.

Like it's been said here. I've been in a game with 2 people using that. Fair it was arbitration, but all I could do was just sit in a corner and just press 'next wave' because the explosions from 2 of these things just murdered my frame rate. Am I supposed to be having 'fun' that 2 people do 99% of the work and I can't even reach 1% even if I tried because I'm using a non-meta gun and frame?

How is it my fault you got your video card out of ceral box.... My fps never drops below 60 NEVER

[BOONAKER]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von No_Quarter:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ark:

*DE counts on people like you to rush and buy riven for any new power creep - that is how they make huge chunks of money. Then they nerf it so they can introduce new power creep.

Fixed it for ya, you're welcome :retro_beer:

Traders earn nothing from it, it's an imaginary currency and only way to monetize it is to sell your account and that's a terrible trade - Mr28 accounts are like 1000$ and considering how much time you need to invest to get there it's less than a dollar per hour.

Only way to stop it is to NOT pay for this and tell DE with our wallets that stronger version of Lenz is not content. But not everyone can see that far.

I have never spent money on rivens... I was giving an example... but even those that don't spend money on plat how long does it take them to work up there to buy whatever that is... Then it gets nerfed time wasted in the game....

Seems to me DE doesn't care about the efforts a person makes in the game....

[BOONAKER]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sceles:

Disposition changes =/= nerfs

Disposition is determined by player usage statics. Popular weapons have lower disposition and less used weapons have higher.

And regarding actual nerfs, they nerfed Catchmoon last year and recently they nerfed Bramma. They nerf maybe one or two things each year and it's always for a good reason. Warframe doesn't really get nerfs or balance changes all that often compared to other online games. If some weapon becomes bad in this game it's usually because of power creep and not because the weapon itself has become any worse.

One or two things a year.... Wow I guess you don't read much on those updates they do all the time....

[BOONAKER]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von aK!ra:

1. as this is an constantly developing world affected by a powercreep you have to be clear that there will never be a BEST IN SLOT for long, changes are always imminent. is it nerfs, buffs or new added stuff - shifting interests is the only way to keep the playerbase engaged = making money --> paying dev's --> developing new content

2. you are complaing about the very foundation of a grind heavy game like WF is. all the gameplay this game has to offer is revolving about farming - "investing time to build smth" there is no such goal on the end of the road where you can sit on a throne. the goal is being on a journey and doing stuff

if you can't understand #1 i hope you will by now since this keeps the game alive
if you consider #2 as a burden / waste of time this type of game is not made for you and you should feel free to step on

1. Developing the new content they nerf all the old stuff... that is what it sounds like what your saying... Which yes I do see DE do this... So the player who spent all that time getting that riven, rolling it should be stepped on um okay... Maybe we should tell that to everyone...

2. All other grind heavy games I have played some of them never nerfed anything.... what they did do is as you lvled up you got better weapons... but DE doesn't even do that get those better weapons with the higher mr along with that riven for the mr and it gets nerfed... So whats the point of getting up to that higher mr and putting in the hours...

Shouldn't a game reward the player for playing their game and the hours they put in it so they continue to play....

Seems to me like a lot of warframe players don't see that...

[BOONAKER]

Oh yeah I still have yet to see somebody from DE to even try responding to this...

[TheTracker]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von aK!ra:

1. as this is an constantly developing world affected by a powercreep you have to be clear that there will never be a BEST IN SLOT for long, changes are always imminent. is it nerfs, buffs or new added stuff - shifting interests is the only way to keep the playerbase engaged = making money --> paying dev's --> developing new content

2. you are complaing about the very foundation of a grind heavy game like WF is. all the gameplay this game has to offer is revolving about farming - "investing time to build smth" there is no such goal on the end of the road where you can sit on a throne. the goal is being on a journey and doing stuff

if you can't understand #1 i hope you will by now since this keeps the game alive
if you consider #2 as a burden / waste of time this type of game is not made for you and you should feel free to step on

Hello, to me that's the main problem with DE : they don't make their game evolved to something better, just make "cosmetics improvments and new toys
a) they have build a rich and complex universe
b) they have plenty of different missions
c) they have a lot of maners to build some "RAID" or long quests using all that, even if you spend a month (for example) to finish it, you can still play 5-15mn missions to progress in the quest

I still love this game : the nervous action, the rich universe, the gameplay => but it lacks of something "LINKING" all that to a better game experience .. to me of course.
PS : yes I know, if i'm bored of the game i don't have to play it...in fact it's what i do, stopping from time to time, and coming back...but the new additions are 2 weapons, 1 ephemera ? etc... I feel that they missed something, and something close to them to make this fame even far better !

[JebKerman]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BOONAKER:

Oh yeah I still have yet to see somebody from DE to even try responding to this...

Because they wont. They generally don't interact with the steam forums too often.
If you actually want to potentially get a dev response you'd go to the official forums.

As many of us have established this is mostly a 'you' issue anyway. Most of us find find improving our gear to be enjoyable. Most of us are also aware that balance is necessary and this is a game that is actively being worked on, this can lead to buffs or nerfs to some items (anyone dealing with Rivens is/should be especially aware of that).

Knowing this, some will powerlevel stuff powerful stuff up fast just to have it while it lasts, even if they know or suspect it will be ultimately temporary. Others can be more conservative, wait for stuff to settle before overinvesting in something they suspect might be nerfed later down the line.

To put it bluntly: Stuff can be nerfed, plan accordingly.
And to provide a response: Maybe you shouldn't, you don't seem to want to.

[No_Quarter]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BOONAKER:

I have never spent money on rivens... I was giving an example... but even those that don't spend money on plat how long does it take them to work up there to buy whatever that is... Then it gets nerfed time wasted in the game....

Seems to me DE doesn't care about the efforts a person makes in the game....

you have not spent it so it does not exist :) Someone paid for all the plat that's in the game, just saying.

also you know it's a power creep game, instead of whining about nerfs why not ask for balanced weapons to begin with? Why farm for overpriced meta, ignore it....

You can't have both really, if you want broken overpowered then enjoy nerfs and buffs every 2 months, if not then put money into solid stuff. Or your time, same thing as time is money.

[Khanwolf]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BOONAKER:

Oh yeah I still have yet to see somebody from DE to even try responding to this...

why should they respond to such an uninformed person?

open your profile so we can see your ingame stats. you are stating a lot of wrong arguments here.

most uninformed high mastery player i ever read on this forum.... so the simplest answer is, you are no high MR player at all as it seems. i got curious after you said you never spent money on rivens. Because every high MR player has an extreme riven collection and is therefore also trading them like hell.

there is not a single weapon or frame ingame that was ruined by a nerf. name one...

also riven dispositions are no nerfs. if you have problem understanding simple games and their changes, tell your son to stop playing already.

and if you are not able to differentiate between nerfs and riven dispo changes, you should not touch forums or video games in general.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von JebKerman:

As many of us have established this is mostly a 'you' issue anyway.

i am playing since the beta without any break at all. I am also a riven trader. The above problems of OP dont even exist at all ingame.

name one thing that became useless after your so called nerfs. just one item.

your arguments are an insult to high MR players. it is like you are playing a different game than others here. open your profile. you are not MR 29.

your arguments gave you away.

[Sceles]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BOONAKER:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sceles:

Disposition changes =/= nerfs

Disposition is determined by player usage statics. Popular weapons have lower disposition and less used weapons have higher.

And regarding actual nerfs, they nerfed Catchmoon last year and recently they nerfed Bramma. They nerf maybe one or two things each year and it's always for a good reason. Warframe doesn't really get nerfs or balance changes all that often compared to other online games. If some weapon becomes bad in this game it's usually because of power creep and not because the weapon itself has become any worse.

One or two things a year.... Wow I guess you don't read much on those updates they do all the time....

I always read the patch notes first before doing anything in-game. All patch notes, every single time. Have done so for years.

You talked about nerfs and gave 2k plat riven as an example(which you apparently have not even bought). I said that disposition changes are not nerfs, and it's true. Everyone knows that weapon dispositions may change. It's still not like a weapon with 5/5 disposition can suddenly become 1/5. Disposition changes are always very subtle. Plat values can also go down even without any nerfs, and most often do. e.g. if the weapon in question is no longer new or has been outclassed by some other similar weapon.

DE nerfs enemies more often than players. Release railjack for example was much harder than the current iteration of it. Veil Proxima is currently equal to what Saturn Proxima was at release, and release Veil Proxima was much harder. Every time they touch something player related it's always a buff and they're constantly power creeping new weapons which is indirectly buffing players.

[Derva2010]

that why i never care for rivens, i play the game for fun, not for getting the best weapon ;)

[Jaynoble55]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von BOONAKER:

[quote=Big Poppa Pump}

Because this is a MULTI-PLAYER GAME. You play with 3 other people. Some weapons and abilities make others play time less enjoyable. They get fixed for the greater good. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few..ect.

When I play this game it seems like the noobs complain the most... They cry because they didn't get as much kills as someone else... What they don't realize is that if a person is getting 2x as much kills as they are. The person getting the most kills gets the least amount of xp per kill... While the noobs who get maybe 50 kills for 5 rounds gets the most amount of xp per kill...

DE did this because of the whinners I can see the reasoning in it too... This is why you get people in Elite Sanctuary that get maybe 150 kills for 8 waves sometimes get a crap ton of focus for doing nothing....

My reasoning for this post... is why should ANY person work hard to make anything good in this game... Doesn't matter what it is, DE will eventually whack it with the nerf hammer like they are playing whack a mole.... [/quote]

You should know that I have 7k hours ingame over 7 years and closed beta. Im hardly a "noob" and the people I see complaining the most are "tryhards" like yourself.

Its a video game. Nothing is permanent. Everything is in flux. Its all pixels. Nerfing is a needed component of ALL progression based games. Because mistakes are made in balance. DE however is guilty of the meta shifting and I wont defend them or that practice.

My point is this. Keep playing because you enjoy the game. This isnt work. This isnt real. You earn nothing except enjoyment. Get over it.

[BOONAKER]

I think I know the best way to fix my problem.... Just stand there and not shoot anything that way none of the noobs cry their tears because they will get more kills than me...