New jackal

[fiziologus]

I test this guy (common, not sortie variant) and little worried about beating it in solo with start frame (new players with almost no mods and weak weapons) or newby players squad. From one side jackal battle is good parason introduce (some players even no know what this). From other. Relativety high damage (e.g. same), no cover almost from start, hazard environment and dansing on laser phase (OK, laser melee blockable, may just stand).
Of course, may buy other frame (say almost imortal limbo) but it mean WF became 'pay2play' instead 'free2play'. Or other, dead-end way. Find high level player and pass batle with him.

[Pakaku]

His attacks are strong, but are also very slow and easily telegraphed. I'd say it's just challenging enough to be more of a wake-up call, because if you haven't prepared enough to deal with him, would you be prepared for the content after him?

[fiziologus]

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His attacks are strong, but are also very slow and easily telegraphed. I'd say it's just challenging enough to be more of a wake-up call, because if you haven't prepared enough to deal with him, would you be prepared for the content after him?

I been prepared no only for jackal and deal with horsy about one minute (from blind run). But I remember my experience with first jackal battle and move to new one. And I worried. Same attack with same auto-target and AoE but no covet from break breath and recover shield. Plus hazard (I even die, catch lightning after column destroy on second arena).

[Curious Fox]

Each legs aren't difficult to break even with an Mk1 Braton with a damaged Serration mod. Newbies will also really likely to have at least 1 of Redirection, Vitality, and Steel Fiber which all sort of help.

Understanding the electricity areas can be challenging at first, but once you understood that there are few areas in the map you are 100% immune to it that you can reach via Bullet Jump + Double Jump, the fight just becomes cakewalk.

[fiziologus]

Curious Fox の投稿を引用：

Each legs aren't difficult to break even with an Mk1 Braton with a damaged Serration mod. Newbies will also really likely to have at least 1 of Redirection, Vitality, and Steel Fiber which all sort of help.

Understanding the electricity areas can be challenging at first, but once you understood that there are few areas in the map you are 100% immune to it that you can reach via Bullet Jump + Double Jump, the fight just becomes cakewalk.

I hope you right. Anyway for inner calm need test with nude frame (have Mag and Volt but Volt no need cover) and weapon (have Burston). Plus check one tactic for melee only combat.

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[Curious Fox]

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I'll be concerned how bad you can be if you can't even get up here. It's just a straight up bullet jump + double jump and Jackal can't even touch you while you can shoot at its legs.

There are straight up near-invincible vantage points in the Jackal arena.

Also why should I ever bother thinking about melee-only-ing this boss? If someone wants to shoot themselves in their feet, I'm not going to stop them, but when it's not even deliberately using a cheese frame and just using a primary. I see no reason to even think about melee-only Jackal.

Even if you have to, just get up and slash his legs while taking care of his shockwaves. If you can't do that and it's for a melee-only sortie take a frame that has an Exalted.

[Dubstep_Samurai]

This boss is not hard at all. His attacks are pretty plain and straight.

As long as you good with bullet jump you can solo the fight with any frame or any weapon, with no mods installed whatsoever.

It couldn't be further from "pay-to-play" than this, huh.

[TheSuit]

I used an Unmodded Baza and just destroyed his legs in seconds.
Simply using the correct status against each leg is more than enough - which is the basics of learning to play the game.

[fiziologus]

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I'll be concerned how bad you can be if you can't even get up here. It's just a straight up bullet jump + double jump and Jackal can't even touch you while you can shoot at its legs.

O-O, pure newby fight. What about nude starting frame with starting (MR 1-2, or from Vor's Prize) weapons and without arcane? I say already, with my current frame I deal with horsy about one minute (include cutscene) without any arcobatic and from blind start (first try). Only I not newby.

OK. I little test it with newby only content (post above, Burston, Mag and Glaive (no other) as melee), and result is bad (even reach boss area as newby, without bullet-jump rush, no easy, any alarm mean quick death from 'wall of fire' (high DPS via high rate of fire), new enemy more suitable for no-newby players). Gun shot is knockback frame (possibly bug, on forum on guy discover some 'new' weapon have hide 'blast' (with AoE) damage). But this not probleme. Most death is

• Jackal execute ufo attack near shock wall or just wall (or death from laser wall (it even hit Limbo in rift!) or from touch shock field).
  
• Jackal throw frame in shock wall.

In both case touching shock wall remove shield then electric status from wall drain heal.

In other side melee-only tactics perhaps work. Key is simple, if no cover use 'horsy' body as cover. Keep frame right under jackal and just hit with melee (it sometime work even with old jackal). You may hit any/all leg and in safe area because Jackal may reach you only with leg attack (no high damage, only knockback). Ufo attack possibly survive (exept case above) with any frame, just danse.

The | Suit の投稿を引用：

I used an Unmodded Baza and just destroyed his legs in seconds.
Simply using the correct status against each leg is more than enough - which is the basics of learning to play the game.

Baza? Clan MR7 weapon (or buy but also need at last MR7)? And farming elemental mods? Good choise for Venus boss battle. Only... only it very simulate current DE strategy, keep player on start planet (and two open world location) as may long.

quote=Dubstep_Samurai;2440336345847169653]This boss is not hard at all. His attacks are pretty plain and straight.

As long as you good with bullet jump you can solo the fight with any frame or any weapon, with no mods installed whatsoever.[/quote]If I see as newby player with newby equpment (MR1-2 weapons without mods (except unrancked Seration as simulation flawed), starting frame also without mods, no arcane and no focus) defeate Jackal in solo I trust it is possible. Now I'm not sure that this is possible without deep explore arena (with many death) or other 'walkthrough'.

[Franss the Coffee Addict]

Good god Im having a deja vu telling someone how to avoid Kela's rockets yet refuses to aknowledge them

[Curious Fox]

You're literally proving you're unwilling to learn or actually have 1700 hour experience when you write like this.

You can get up to that location with just a single bullet jump and double jumping at the very end. I DON'T HAVE ARCANES EITHER YOU IDIOT. DON'T ASSUME EVERYONE HAS AN ARCANE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO.

Just take Excalibur, Skana, Braton, and Lato. Unless a newbie is tricked into getting them, no newbie is going to have a Mag, nor a Burstron, nor a Glave. Especially a glave because that's a nightwave melee.

You don't even have to go on top of a pillar. You can even get on to a ledge in the wall and still not get hit by the laser walls and is away from all of the electricity walls. If you think you can only stay in the center of the map, that just proves you're stupid.

An unmodded Baza has 16 damage while Braton has 25. He literally picked a weaker gun than the one you can get at MR0 and you, who is ignorant and in delusions, think it's stronger just because it's higher MR.

[JebKerman]

If you use your head it's really not that hard, this is also a boss fight remember, you aren't necessarily supposed to beat it first time, this is not just another Exterminate.


Since I don't have all that old equipment anymore I grabbed the Prime versions of Mag, Braton, Lex, and Bo. Stripped them of all their mods (Effectively Rank 0, and considerably worse than even lightly modded versions of their regular counterparts), didn't bring a companion and didn't use my operator. Come to think of it I didn't use any abilities either, though I'm not sure how much use they'd be.

The fight actually felt really good with this de-powered equipment:

Somewhat frantically dodging it's attacks while tracking and focusing down single leg.
Staying in the same quadrant while he does his Grid Wall attack, then jumping when I thought the attack would end so I avoid the shockwave of it landing so I didn't get blasted back. Then repeating the above as the difficulty escalated.

I did go down once, while destroying the last leg, I think finally succumbing to turret fire. Fortunately, we get 5 revives so it was easy to finish off from there.


While you certainly can completely trivialise the gridwall sections by exploiting the level geometry it is surplus to requirements, you can stay on the ground and just not touch the walls, they aren't difficult to track, they're easier to keep pace with if you are closer to the centre.

The electric fields were surprisingly non-threatening too they didn't hurt as much as I was being led to believe, barely tickling my shields, though I did roll through them. I think the key thing is to learn to jump the shockwaves so you don't get knocked through the fields.


All in all, I'd say the Jakal is a very good boss, maybe a bit too good, considering new players will have to face The Sergeant at some point after this. The fight seems well balanced for the gear you should be able to bring to it.

[fiziologus]

Curious Fox の投稿を引用：

You can get up to that location with just a single bullet jump and double jumping at the very end.

For this need good explore boss area, and make good skill. Newby no have both.

An unmodded Baza has 16 damage while Braton has 25. He literally picked a weaker gun than the one you can get at MR0 and you, who is ignorant and in delusions, think it's stronger just because it's higher MR.

Baza: DPS about 267, about each four hit is 3x damage, high aim, short reload.
Braton: DPS 210, about only each six hit is 1.6x damage, low aim, long reload.

Base damage is nothing smart chines man.

Just take Excalibur, Skana, Braton, and Lato. Unless a newbie is tricked into getting them, no newbie is going to have a Mag, nor a Burstron, nor a Glave. Especially a glave because that's a nightwave melee.

I use what I have. I say this at last twise.
....
What?! Newby cannot have Mag! Started frame alongside with Volt and Excal.

And

I DON'T HAVE ARCANES EITHER YOU IDIOT.

Close your hole, smart chines man, OK. Or I turn on censoring.

@JebKerman, Prime variants little more stronger (not very big). And as I say most death from shock wall (electric proc), not from boss, and from unlucky boss possition for ufo attack (near wall). If avoid both jackal killable. Without acrobatic with very good chance land near shock wall or lightning.

Melee-only tactics work. If avoid leg tramp (may throw on wall) battle is simple (kill Jackal with melee attack glaive (unrank Presure Point only), with skana or bo it even more easy).

Sergant battle is not boss battle. It is crowd of enemy with one strong unit (even possibly perform mercy ). After Vor Sergant is just baby. Volt's 2 with melee (invisibly not mean invulnerability), Excal's 2 and attack, Mag's 2 with shoting, Rhino's 4 (pin Serg).

[JebKerman]

fiziologus の投稿を引用：

@JebKerman, Prime variants little more stronger (not very big). And as I say most death from shock wall (electric proc), not from boss, and from unlucky boss possition for ufo attack (near wall). If avoid both jackal killable. Without acrobatic with very good chance land near shock wall or lightning.

Look, at this point it's clear you are beyond reason but:

1. A new player will, or at least should have applied some mods to their weapons, pretty much any single mod makes the regular versions better than a modless prime.

If they haven't and they struggle, the fight serves as a wake up, which is a good thing. It suggests to them that they should make sure their weapons and frame are ranked up and prompt them invest in their mods. This is a lesson any player should have to learn as it is core to increasing your equipment's potential.

2. If you need to move through the electric fields and can't simply go around, for many will be instinct to roll/dash through them. This deals 20 damage to shields and maybe 20 more over time, which is negligible, even for a stock frame.

The only time anyone should be hit by the electric fields otherwise is they didn't catch or haven't learned the telegraph for a shockwave and got knocked through the field. Again, this is a boss fight it is a lesson and a test. If you get hit by the shockwave often enough to be downed 5 times, you weren't paying enough attention and have failed the test, and will have to retake it as a result.

The telegraph for the shockwave-creating attack has a long visual and audio cue, the Jackal also stops everything else it was doing. It's very hard to miss if you're paying any modicum of attention and all you need to do to avoid it is not be on the ground as the wave it passes under you. Technically the shockwave lesson should have been learned long before they face The Jackal anyway, since they would have had to encounter several Moas with the same ability, with a very similar telegraph, prior to even reaching Fossa.

3. I think you far too little faith in new players.

His attacks are mostly relatively simple area denial that does not require advanced map knowledge or any advanced skill to avoid really, all you have to do is stay in the quadrant and avoid the electric fields as it spins, if you are somehow running out of space in your current quadrant move to a new quadrant when the wall is inactive/blue. Otherwise it just has the aforementioned shockwave attack and some guns.

BONUS:
4. Why are you concerned about the 'Melee-Only'-ability of a boss while talking in the context of new players? They simply don't have that restriction and they wont for a long while.

The only place that limitation exists is in Sorties, which is only accessible to Players who have completed The War Within which they'd have to have reached Sedna. By then they have access to far more toys to play with, including stuff that completely bypasses that restriction like Titania's Dex Pixia or frames who don't really care, Like Excalibur with his Exalted Blade, or the now various Gunblades, or simply a frame durable enough to not really care about being at such close range, or...

[Donitsi]

Gauss
Dex Sybaris
Akzani
Pangolin Sword

I removed all mods from them and I was able to kill Jackal without big issues. I died once during the fight because he was doing 4 wall damage spin win electric wall until I had an idea to Bullet Jump above the walls.

New players should learn its attack pattern very fast. Normally I play with a group so it took me off guard a lot. Normally when it has stopped its spinning I jump just before it lands to avoid being knocked away. This time it was very akward for experienced player like myself.