How long should I wait before spending platinum?

[Cemetery Man]

I just made my first trade for platinum in the game, how long should I wait before spending them?
At least a week? I want to be sure that the platinum is legit.

[Livia]

Dw, you are fine.

[Rhudda]

If you're worried and want to be really, really sure, wait two months. Platinum bought with stolen credit cards is only ever discovered if the holder of the card issues a chargeback, and most people check their cards when the bill comes in, i.e. at the end of the month. It might then take the issuer of the card several days to go through with the actual chargeback.

[peppermint hollows]

What did you trade exactly and how much platinum did you receive? Every single one of those stories about people getting negative plat because they received dirty plat that I've read involved large amounts of plat. After all, it would make sense people who are buying dirty or fraudulent plat would buy large amounts.

Same deal with people who think they can get away with buying plat and then do a chargeback. Why would you only buy 170plat if you're buying dirty? After all, the whole draw of it is that plat resellers tend to sell in large bundles at a much lower price than what you would have to pay for directly from DE.

So, with that in mind, it explains why those stories usually involve extremely valuable rivens or something similar to that, such as when Primed Chamber was extremely rare and cost tens of thousands of plat. If you did a really small trade (which I assume it probably was considering it was your first trade), you honestly don't need to worry. I have been playing for 2 years and have never gotten banned or negative plat throughout all of my trades, and the most I've traded for at once is like 300-400 plat.

Aaaand on top of all that...I've heard that many of these stories actually turned out to be dubious, and it's often been later found that the person who was banned had actually knowingly been part of shady deals after all. So take all that as you will.

[Cemetery Man]

Originally posted by peppermint hollows:

What did you trade exactly and how much platinum did you receive? Every single one of those stories about people getting negative plat because they received dirty plat that I've read involved large amounts of plat.

I trade a Wukong Prime Set for 70 platinum, so I'm probably in the safe after all. Thank you for your answer.

[Yuki]

Originally posted by peppermint hollows:

Aaaand on top of all that...I've heard that many of these stories actually turned out to be dubious, and it's often been later found that the person who was banned had actually knowingly been part of shady deals after all. So take all that as you will.

This!
Ive got more than just my two years, and looking at warframe market usually several thousand plat a month even nowadays where prices are low.
From high priced Rivens all the way down to fish. No problems ever.

That said i probably still wouldnt sell a Riven to IllllIlllII the 2345th.

[Rhudda]

Originally posted by in:

There was a guy who got ban for negative plat when DE removed it from trades made 4 years ago. So technically there is no "safe".

Is that story really true, though? Cause I'm not sure credit card companies allow chargebacks from that far back. I've seen the story referenced, but I've never seen a source for it.

[Mirai]

Originally posted by Hagrid Glodson:

If you're worried and want to be really, really sure, wait two months. Platinum bought with stolen credit cards is only ever discovered if the holder of the card issues a chargeback, and most people check their cards when the bill comes in, i.e. at the end of the month. It might then take the issuer of the card several days to go through with the actual chargeback.

Actually, it's more like .. *if* they're going to discover something is wrong, they will at the end of the month. But .. you might be surprised how many people do not check their balances or bills and just blindly pay them.

Before anyone assumes .. I've had friends who were hackers who engaged in this kind of thing many, many years ago - and even recently, you can find stories of victims of theft not even noticing if the charges were small. The primary reason someone notices is if there are huge or outlandish charges, small ones tend to fly under the radar.

If someone is mass buying Plat and spending hundreds of dollars on a stolen card, then yeah it will likely be caught right away at the end of their payment cycle. But if someone were being careful or subtle about it, it might take much longer for the actual owner of the card to notice. And being careful doesn't mean buying small, they may just be making smaller charges to several cards for a combine total of a larger purchase -- which works in many cases but I'd think D.E. would catch on to this one relatively quickly with how transactions work with them.

[No_Quarter]

Generally you can cancel the payment within 7-15 days depending on a bank.

Vast majority of people do not get into black market cause they ain't stupid.
I've never had any platinum taken away from me.

Things to keep an eye on:
1) very low mr player offering crazy platinum for something that's regarded as high level - that is very likely a burnout account someone uses to transfer goods to their main account.
2) generally too high of an offer for something - if something is 100 and guy offers 300 for "fast trade" it it's best not to do it.

Basically use common sense, check the account, it is unlikely people will offer bad platinum at mr16.

I believe a lot of those "I traded and my platinum is not in red" posts are lies, I believe those people are ones who bought the platinum off of black market. Because if you cheat you lie too, if you want to cheat DE of their money you are likely to lie about it too. Especially on public forums, why not trash talk against company that got you banned?
Again, not all of the people but I believe a lot are just salty they got caugt.

If you have predictable trades - lots of small trades which is how almost everyone trades in Warframe you are fine. You trade with any people, chances are small that everyone will be a scammer.

There are true ones for sure,

Originally posted by in:

There was a guy who got ban for negative plat when DE removed it from trades made 4 years ago. So technically there is no "safe".

guy posted so it must be true

[Rhudda]

Originally posted by in:

Originally posted by Hagrid Glodson:

Is that story really true, though? Cause I'm not sure credit card companies allow chargebacks from that far back. I've seen the story referenced, but I've never seen a source for it.

Well they remove not only plat made via chargebacks. A lot more of it can fall under bad plat term. In his ticket de said it was some known resellers. I assume they caught them only recently and purged all historical platinum even from years ago.

Still, if you have a source, I'd like to read it for myself. And if you don't you should not believe the story.

[No_Quarter]

Originally posted by in:

Originally posted by Hagrid Glodson:

Still, if you have a source, I'd like to read it for myself. And if you don't you should not believe the story.

Well this is that topic
https://steamcommunity.com/app/230410/discussions/0/1862741679096717853/?ctp=2#c1862741826500034658
If you want more solid proof I guess contact that guy. But I don't really see logical reasoning in his responses to edit those dates like that or jus make whole thing up

even if he has no reason we have no reason to trust him too.
Post he made on 3-rd page directly contradicts to his original post even if you take it for granted.

So he either confirms he lied or he lied twice and confirmed it, which one is it?
(related to the statement he never used a credit card, then confirmed buying platinum from the black market which can only be done with a credit card).

Either way, WE KNOW laws around banks, you cannot ask for refund on purchase you did for more than 2 weeks ago.
Steam obeys those rules, 2 weeks for refund.

And we do not know circumstanced that OP described. It may have happened that DE got his case forgotten somehow and issued the ban late, that can happen.
But refunding the money 3 years after you made a purchase - no, that is not happening.

And for those who do not know, way you make fake platinum is you buy it from DE, you use it fast, you go to your bank and tell them to refund that purchase with excuses like your kid or your dog took your credit card and bought some ♥♥♥♥ in a video game.
You get your money back in a day or so, when DE gets their report they see what went wrong and they remove that platinum from the game.

Only way to prevent it is to prevent people from trading the platinum for a week after the initial purchase. That would deter scammers but it would hurt DE's income from trading.
And problem with black market is not big enough to be relevant so they are dealing with it this way.

Reason why it still exists is because people can keep items they purchase with fake platinum - if any item involved in fake platinum trades was removed and just deleted people would not go for it.

[Leoscar]

I've been doing smaller trades for a while now. Mostly prime parts/sets to buy potatoes/slots etc... Never had any issue so far.
What I usually try to do is keep a small stock of plat so that even if some was to be removed from my account I'd still have a positive balance.