the war within good?bad? or meh?

[life is a simulation]

well for me its was a good quest but it did have a few bugs but overoll it was a fun quest for me what do you guys think?

[Apocalypse_Later]

Until I heard this update was coming out, I hadn't played Warframe in months. I reinstalled it to see what the AMAZING NEW CONTENT would be.

The writing was half-assed at best (let's not even talk about the dialogue itself), and the entire quest felt like a tutorial for fighting ONE enemy type. That being said, it's a crappy tutorial because NOTHING IS EXPLAINED. You have to use trial and error to get through it, which isn't good, bad, or even stupid. It's just AGGRAVATING. A game is not supposed to be aggravating, it's supposed to offer a challenge to overcome. Those are two VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. The whole game has shades of this, switching gears from a blood-spattered cakewalk to any one of an annoying mess of a mechanics that deliberately knock you on your ass without warning to add the illusion of difficulty (READ: NULLIFIERS, SENTIENTS, KUVA GUARDIANS).

The Grineer Queens were a major wasted opportunity, as were their Kuva Guardians. Instead of an enigmatic pair of leaders, we got an annoying shrill witch in a stupid hat with an unhealthy obsession with children's bodies, and a monkey-lizard with two lines of atrocious dialog. Their guardians are morbidly obese bulldykes with stupid voices and annoying attacks, who can only be killed with the shoehorned-in mechanic.

The game already has a problem with WAY too many different resources, so adding ANOTHER resource was an absolutely asinine decision. The new mods are just another way for RNG to waste your limited time in life, being restricted to specific weapons and having random stats. Also powercreep, etc. The new weapons are just like every other: more junk to be added to an ever-growing heap that nobody cares about because there are already weapons that to their jobs far better. At this point they could shift to alternate weapon skins/muzzleflashes/projectiles/whatever, and it would probably amount to more interesting content.

The new cosmetics are pretty good (imo obviously), but only because I can put them on the community's excellent Grineer-themed Warframe skins. More of that, please and thank you.

I really like Warframe, and it really has come a long way and gone in a mostly positive direction, but every time I play it I see something that makes me wonder: "WHAT were they THINKING?!"

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quest itself is amazing , other stuff added in the update > meh

[AnonumusSoldier]

I found it funny how everyone has been demanding new content for months, DE gives them content and everyone flips thier lids complaining that its not good enough. Think you can do better? GO make your own game from the ground up and become Warframes competitor. See how well you do. We will except you apology later.

[bertysk]

For me its good i like it.

[AnonumusSoldier]

TWW feelings> DE started its hype train waaaay too early. I thouroughly enjoyed the quest, it was not as emotional as Second Dream, but it was way more interactive, and had more functionality, feeling more like an actual quest instead of regular missions with some special dialoge. I was on the edge of my seat at times, and the lore reveals were great, but at the end i felt like it was unfinished. On the cliffs i thought of The Force Awakens ending, how when the credits rolled i coudlnt believe it was over, that there had to be more. Maybe that was DE's intention, i dont know, if it was it was done effectivly.

I enjoy the new system, it adds a new dynamic to warframe, one that i feel will be totally undervalued, underapreciated and underused. I look forward to its expansion, Transedence only sortie missions (scaled appropriately) Transedence loadouts, mods, and weapons.

I like the new tileset, a bit confusing at times but its expanding the universe which is a good thing. I was a bit dissapointed that the hyped ground>archwing combat is greatly underdeveloped. I look forward to its expansion, being able to step off any exterior surface and activate archwing and fly around, more archwing to ground combat ect.

I have not gotten my hands on the new weapons yet, but i look forward to it. My biggest problem so far is the new resource. For the quantities it is required to craft the new items (while they are few atm, this could easily change in the future) it is much too rare. I hope that this comes to DE's attention and they change it or lower the crafting levels. I have no problem with the aquisition, its a unique mechanic, but the spawn rate has faar to much RNG behind it. Over warframes past, resources as they are added increase in rarity/difficulty to obtain, yes. But this pure rng is absolute insantity. Even Nitan is gaurenteed at least once a day.

Endless Fissure missions ,while i have not tried it yet, looks very interesting, and is possibly even better then old key system. But i know it wil lagain, be underused, underapreciated and bashed.

The sortie/invasion rework is still a little bit fuzzy for me, but the way it was presented in patch notes i am very excited about it.

All i nall, it was as usual, a very good update, a great quest and expansion on the universe, weaponry, and mechanics.

[niko]

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

I found it funny how everyone has been demanding new content for months, DE gives them content and everyone flips thier lids complaining that its not good enough. Think you can do better? GO make your own game from the ground up and become Warframes competitor. See how well you do. We will except you apology later.

That's such a flawed argument. Just because people can't do better doesn't mean they can't express their opinion about not liking it. Bad or good, all of these opinions matter if they're not joke / trolls. This is criticism and DE are not immune to it. DE aren't children, you don't need to defend them.

I feel like the quest is good, but it was disappointingly short for all the hype. I expected far more than we were shown, and DE really ruined the surprise with Teshin, it should've stayed a secret that he was with the Queens until we found it out on the quest itself. Also the new Operator mode is really just bad at the moment, Steve said they have plans to improve and I really hope they do, it's been months since they promised focus changes and they haven't done it, I hope these changes will mix and improve both focus and operator mode.

I do get that all the previous updates were supposed to come all on War Within at once of course, the amount of content we've been give is good, but the quest itself was disappointingly short in my opinion, but fairly good. DE ruining Teshin's role in it really hurt it for me and probably many other people, they pushed it way too hard even on the teaser, so it had no impact to figure it out. Really hope they stay away from spoiling these things to build hype for future quests.

Also Riven system needs work. It can be stupidly overpowered or straight up useless. You can literally have it make you deal NEGATIVE damage. What's the point?

[AnonumusSoldier]

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

I liked this quest and the lore it introduced. However, I had some problems with it. Here they are:

1. I wasn't expecting to outright get rid of one of the Queens. I hoped for both of them to encounter us, but not in direct combat, instead manipulating from the shadows and escaping at the last possible moment, like Dr. Claw. I was also expecting Queens to not be this outright evil and gloating about being evil, but instead be all shades of grey, making others suffer for the accomplishement of some "higher good" goal (like, gathering massive amounts of resources because they know that they have to repell Sentients, which would just kill everybody on sight).

2. I was kinda expecting some sort of really hard direct end-game that would be very concise and well... very hard with good, continuous rewards. Something like Fractal Dungeons in GW2, I love those. A procedurally generated infinite dungeon of some sorts, where you could get out at certain points, with skins as rewards, for example.

3. I liked the new reworked Focus system, but I feel like it introduced an element, that kinda borked the system mechanicall and as a result it has to be now reworked, otherwise it's just a bit of a mess. That said - I see a lot of potential for future Tenno-only missions, where the real stealth could be introduced, like in Thief or Splinter Cell. The gameplay of you in your actual body really feels like something that was created for precisely that reason, and not regular direct engagements with our ultra-mega-battlemechs called Warframes. Or we need to get an alternate equipment/skill tree for ourselves, which would make us more valuable when out of the body.

1) Well , did you choose the option to not kill them and teshin did anyway? thats been making me curious ever since i did the quest. i chose to kill her because shes evil and needed consequenses, but didnt want Teshin ot be stained with the act From what we have been seeing from other lore about how evil and corrupt the orokin council was im not that surprised the twin queens were all evil nut jobs.
2)I was hoping that the new tileset / mode would be that too, but i had a feeling from my other forumn convos about such a mode that it wasnt anywhere near on DEs raddar to do something like that. I still hold hope for the future. maybee when Tau comes out.
3)Eh, didnt really have any trouble with it myself, i took to it easily, although alot of people i know/see on forumns didnt. My biggest problem with it is there is restricted areas like evac platforms where you cant use it

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Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

I found it funny how everyone has been demanding new content for months, DE gives them content and everyone flips thier lids complaining that its not good enough. Think you can do better? GO make your own game from the ground up and become Warframes competitor. See how well you do. We will except you apology later.

Man the game is great it's masterpiece but after you done everything and have everything don't you want something to challenge ur skills , something that you can't spam your way through like the nightmare raid , and they keep ignoring the real end game we just keep collecting new gear for fun but no real use for it

[AnonumusSoldier]

Originally posted by Dio:

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

I found it funny how everyone has been demanding new content for months, DE gives them content and everyone flips thier lids complaining that its not good enough. Think you can do better? GO make your own game from the ground up and become Warframes competitor. See how well you do. We will except you apology later.

That's such a flawed argument. Just because people can't do better doesn't mean they can't express their opinion about not liking it. Bad or good, all of these opinions matter if they're not joke / trolls. This is criticism and DE are not immune to it. DE aren't children, you don't need to defend them.

Constructive Critism is one thing, like what Vulbjorn said. But tearing apart the entire game or making gmae bashing DE and game sucks threads is not. Your right, DE arent children, but when you attack a game, you attack the playerbase too, not just the devs. The devs pour their hearts and souls into creating the game (at least the good ones like DE do) and the gamers behind them put in thier valuable time, money and appreciation. I will not let game bashing go by without countering it.

Originally posted by Dio:

I feel like the quest is good, but it was disappointingly short for all the hype. I expected far more than we were shown, and DE really ruined the surprise with Teshin, it should've stayed a secret that he was with the Queens until we found it out on the quest itself. Also the new Operator mode is really just bad at the moment, Steve said they have plans to improve and I really hope they do, it's been months since they promised focus changes and they haven't done it, I hope these changes will mix and improve both focus and operator mode.

. Really hope they stay away from spoiling these things to build hype for future quests.

See that is constructive critism, and i agree with all if it (excpet that its Operator mode is bad. needs work, but bad to me is unusable/dont like it, which to me its not.) DE hyped that it took 4 hours just to read the script, when i sat down to do the quest i strapped in for a 6 hour quest. When i looked up from finishing it and saw only 2 1/2 hours had passed i was like, dafaq?

[Sovereign Star]

It's kind of meh... to be honest. Why bring horror game into Space Ninja game?

Old queen died, but young one remained, we pretty did nothing but just learned how to get out Tin Suit and hop around to annoying enemies with E hotkey.

[niko]

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

Originally posted by Dio:

I feel like the quest is good, but it was disappointingly short for all the hype. I expected far more than we were shown, and DE really ruined the surprise with Teshin, it should've stayed a secret that he was with the Queens until we found it out on the quest itself. Also the new Operator mode is really just bad at the moment, Steve said they have plans to improve and I really hope they do, it's been months since they promised focus changes and they haven't done it, I hope these changes will mix and improve both focus and operator mode.

. Really hope they stay away from spoiling these things to build hype for future quests.

See that is constructive critism, and i agree with all if it (excpet that its Operator mode is bad. needs work, but bad to me is unusable/dont like it, which to me its not.) DE hyped that it took 4 hours just to read the script, when i sat down to do the quest i strapped in for a 6 hour quest. When i looked up from finishing it and saw only 2 1/2 hours had passed i was like, dafaq?

Operator mode is fairly... Buggy on one side I would say. For example, going into it removes all of the buffs you've had on your Warframe before going into it, and extracting on it used to make the mission give no affinity although I believe they recently fixed the affinity bug. Although I feel like the powers cost too much right now to bother using too much, and our damage on it is pitiful at anything past mid level, and having only a maximum of 100 HP means you just, well, die. It's also not seamless to use in combat and interrupts the flow a bit, and we are slow and can't use parkour (although we do have the dash at least, but without energy left then we just have bad mobility), I say it's bad because it's really just barebones at the moment and it's just another gimmick. I still find it fun to mess around with and loved just running around randomly on missions as my operator and love the idea, but right now it's very lackluster, and I really hope they bother improving it, because Focus right now for example seems forgotten, I hope they mix the two together in a way so that they can expand both of them upon in a way that works and makes them all a lot better. I want more of our operators being used in actual combat and improving the flow of going in and out during combat would make it a lot better too, the delays like I've said kinda interrupt it but at least they're not painfully long.

Really excited to see DE expand on it, if they do of course, and I highly doubt they'd add something this big and not improve it throughly, then again I thought the same about Focus and they've barely worked on it other than mostly nerfing focus gains. I hope this is the opportunity for them to both improve Focus and the operator mode that they just added now.

[Sovereign Star]

Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:

Originally posted by Sovereign Star:

It's kind of meh... to be honest. Why bring horror game into Space Ninja game?

Old queen died, but young one remained, we pretty did nothing but just learned how to get out Tin Suit and hop around to annoying enemies with E hotkey.

I actually really liked that element. I love horrors, but I guess it's up to personal prefference.

But your second phrase is actually problematic to the current lore. My Queen didn't die, she's currently alive and well, which means - our lore from this point is split. Oh, the humanity!

But... but it's not Dead Space! Dx Just feels wrong.

[AnonumusSoldier]

Originally posted by Undisputed owner of gibus:

Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

I found it funny how everyone has been demanding new content for months, DE gives them content and everyone flips thier lids complaining that its not good enough. Think you can do better? GO make your own game from the ground up and become Warframes competitor. See how well you do. We will except you apology later.

Man the game is great it's masterpiece but after you done everything and have everything don't you want something to challenge ur skills , something that you can't spam your way through like the nightmare raid , and they keep ignoring the real end game we just keep collecting new gear for fun but no real use for it

Thats not the question here. Game bashing, non constructive critism and people that are never satisfied with anything DE does and acts like they can do better is the question here.

I have been asking for some form of endgame for over a year, and proposed multiple ways to do it. I want a dungeon clearing mode similar to SAO's Aincrad so bad it hurts, but i dont rant about it or bash the game over it, i instead enjoy what i have, cross my fingers for the next update and keep constructive idea threads/discussions going. Old t4 survival sort of fulfilled that feeling for me, and is what drove me to work hard for 6 months building my god mode arcane ice tank chroma, but the old void system made me feel very trapped, being REQUIRED to run it every day in the high hopes of eventually gettign what i needed from it to sell/build. When the relic systme hit, it changed all that, and i was elated. I could get what i wanted when i wanted and play whatever i wnated insteado f ONLY t4 void survival.

[HiTmAn]

we wait almost 1 year.... for that period companies realese 20 games lol

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Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:

Originally posted by Undisputed owner of gibus:

Man the game is great it's masterpiece but after you done everything and have everything don't you want something to challenge ur skills , something that you can't spam your way through like the nightmare raid , and they keep ignoring the real end game we just keep collecting new gear for fun but no real use for it

Thats not the question here. Game bashing, non constructive critism and people that are never satisfied with anything DE does and acts like they can do better is the question here.

I have been asking for some form of endgame for over a year, and proposed multiple ways to do it. I want a dungeon clearing mode similar to SAO's Aincrad so bad it hurts, but i dont rant about it or bash the game over it, i instead enjoy what i have, cross my fingers for the next update and keep constructive idea threads/discussions going. Old t4 survival sort of fulfilled that feeling for me, and is what drove me to work hard for 6 months building my god mode arcane ice tank chroma, but the old void system made me feel very trapped, being REQUIRED to run it every day in the high hopes of eventually gettign what i needed from it to sell/build. When the relic systme hit, it changed all that, and i was elated. I could get what i wanted when i wanted and play whatever i wnated insteado f ONLY t4 void survival.

Good points , well i don't want to rant but like you i keep waiting and waiting.Sao's aincrad aint bad idea but the game already kinda feels like it i mean the further you stay in a mission harder it gets.Unless they do it 10 waves of enemies + unique boss [checkpoint] 10/20>>100 and some unique items to get in there other than prime stuff we all have been faaarming for ages xD we could use the hard farmed primed items to go in there and not feel in endless loop of farm level up trash , the possibilities are endless i just want something to keep me playing this game without pushing myself to do it