Kuva lich system should be optional...?

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The kuva lich system is quite interesting but not a fun experience to me and I shouldn't be forced to play it if I don't want it...however, I am forced to play it if I don't want my items to be stolen everytime I play on a planet where my lich has taken control of, and trust me if you p*ss him off it'll become worse.

It's constant grinding and nothing I'm interested in, all I'd farm it for would be just to get rid of the lich...oh but there's another lich that can appear after you kill your current ones...and so on...f*ck no...I don't want to be forced to kill the lich to enjoy the game the way I did before, don't want to get in the game and have to think about all of the stuff the lich is going to steal from me after I farm for resources, the lich even steals your event rewards such as riven mods or orokin reactors/catalyzers...fun right?

Fine let's say I'll give it a shot and try to beat my lich...wait I have to farm requiem relics to then farm void traces to make them radiant so I have higher chances of getting the mod drops I need to actually kill the lich...with some RNG on it.

In conclusion I think it'd be best if there was a certain place to obtain a lich and farm it for kuva weapons for example...since the weapons are the best rewards you can earn from them, but always following your own will and not being forced to do so.

[Skine]

IT is optional, just kill it and never kill a larving and you wont have one again. aint hard

[DLOZanma]

Anderson-님이 먼저 게시:

No_Quarter님이 먼저 게시:

Time you wasted on this topic vouching for optional system to be optional could be the time you took to take care of your Lich.

Cause if you want to avoid a system you should be informed on how to do it, getting into it clueless and then calling out the game for consequences of your own actions is pretty bad on your part.

Game shows Kuva Lich cinematic where Grineer say they pray all their life that they will be chosen for Queen's Blood and once you get a comm from thicc kuva boys saying they've found a sukjekt - I do not really know what more do you really need to tell you that THAT is a part of Kuva Lich process.

If game has info and arrows for everything that was so obvious then we would be drowning in info, DE sometimes relies people can think of their actions and be responsible for them.

That's the problem man, I don't want to spend time grinding to defeat my lich, I find it stressful, not fun and a terrible experience, I'm not a high end fully OP player with heavily modded weapons or frames who can basically just pick reliable weapons and go kill him.
The fact they introduced the lich system with a cutscene doesn't give me any idea of what was about to happen or what I was supposed to do, I'd rather that being an quest, then the fact the optional method is by not killing an enemy who shows up in the middle of plenty of other enemies.
I don't feel I'm wasting time by posting this, I think I'd be wasting more time if I got to play something I'm not having fun with because I don't have an option, I'm sure the system could be better and not this "do it once, don't like it don't do it the second time" without being able to quit it.

Then don't grind anything? I've left a lich alone for 2 months at lv1, the amount of resource they steal are negligible. "Not being prepared or not having OP weapons or end game gear" isn't a good excuse because as soon as you finish the War Within you gain access to Revenant. Not having a proper tutorial for it is bad yes, so you are justified because how could you know? But the amount and kind of dumb excuses people find to their """"""""mistakes""""" creating liches in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ OPT-IN system, and the amount of whining about their consequences(read: there are none. Liches are completely non threathening outside missions) is astonishing.

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DLOZanma님이 먼저 게시:

Anderson-님이 먼저 게시:

That's the problem man, I don't want to spend time grinding to defeat my lich, I find it stressful, not fun and a terrible experience, I'm not a high end fully OP player with heavily modded weapons or frames who can basically just pick reliable weapons and go kill him.
The fact they introduced the lich system with a cutscene doesn't give me any idea of what was about to happen or what I was supposed to do, I'd rather that being an quest, then the fact the optional method is by not killing an enemy who shows up in the middle of plenty of other enemies.
I don't feel I'm wasting time by posting this, I think I'd be wasting more time if I got to play something I'm not having fun with because I don't have an option, I'm sure the system could be better and not this "do it once, don't like it don't do it the second time" without being able to quit it.

Then don't grind anything? I've left a lich alone for 2 months at lv1, the amount of resource they steal are negligible. "Not being prepared or not having OP weapons or end game gear" isn't a good excuse because as soon as you finish the War Within you gain access to Revenant. Not having a proper tutorial for it is bad yes, so you are justified because how could you know? But the amount and kind of dumb excuses people find to their """"""""mistakes""""" creating liches in a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ OPT-IN system, and the amount of whining about their consequences(read: there are none. Liches are completely non threathening outside missions) is astonishing.

What's the point of me playing if the lich is gonna steal plenty of my stuff by now, stole a catalyzer i got on a daily mission, stole relics, sculptures, mods...what's the point of me farming for stuff if he's gonna take them off me?, that ruins my farming experience, but hey, i can ignore the fact that he's making my experience way harder now and the only option i have, is going after him...i refuse to do so.

By the way, it's easy to say it's ''optional'' the second time you try it, i doubt anyone didn't try the first time they saw a larva with a ''execute me'' symbol on top, everyone would be curious about what could happen, expecting a reward but instead getting a curse.

Again, throwing the enemy there in the middle of mobs you're willing to just kill by spamming abilities or attacks is not a good way to put this system, take the railjack for example, i'm not forced to do missions outside the railjack, i'm forced to build the railjack if i wanna go to space missions, but there isn't that ''if you ignore me i'll just steal your stuff'' bs, or i don't need it to progress the main story quests, i want to ignore that system the same way i can ignore warframe quests such as Titania's, Inaros's, Atlas, etc.

[No_Quarter]

You sound so ignorant, it's not just not reading posts people reply it it rather seems like that you have no idea how did you trigger the Lich in the first place.

Reliable source for rant.

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No_Quarter님이 먼저 게시:

You sound so ignorant, it's not just not reading posts people reply it it rather seems like that you have no idea how did you trigger the Lich in the first place.

Reliable source for rant.

Sorry to sound ignorant, if i had 5 thousand hours in the game as you do, i may call this lich system a piece of cake, but i'm not 5 thousand hours, i'm not a high end veteran...
And no, i didn't even remember how i triggered the lich the same way i don't remember plenty of stuff that happened in the main quests...doesn't change the fact the system is bad and should be changed the way you trigger it at least

[No_Quarter]

Anderson-님이 먼저 게시:

No_Quarter님이 먼저 게시:

You sound so ignorant, it's not just not reading posts people reply it it rather seems like that you have no idea how did you trigger the Lich in the first place.

Reliable source for rant.

Sorry to sound ignorant, if i had 5 thousand hours in the game as you do, i may call this lich system a piece of cake, but i'm not 5 thousand hours, i'm not a high end veteran...
And no, i didn't even remember how i triggered the lich the same way i don't remember plenty of stuff that happened in the main quests...doesn't change the fact the system is bad and should be changed the way you trigger it at least

You are required to click an action button to trigger it.

You are not forced to click it, mere choice.

Just because you skipped the Lich Cinematic and you ignored the signs that tell it's the Lich - does not mean system is bad. "I do not remember" is a bad argument as game would be boring if it would remind you each and every mission that WASD is to move, CTRL+SPACE is for bullet jump.
Because it is PLAIN OBVIOUS when you trigger it, all I described PLUT they added a Kuva Weapon icon on top of larving - does not a take a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sherlock to figure that one out now come one.

You failed, made a mistake, take it and learn from it, play in public to get rid of your Lich and hope this teaches you to pay SOME attention and not miss 10 signs.
Nothing suggests it's a game problem, it's so unique - unique sound cue, announcement, downing, downed animation, icon of a weapon, different prompt for action - that anyone would wonder and take a moment before clicking action button willingly.
Even with skipping the cinematic which you obviously did.

[Darth Burger]

"You are required to click an action button to trigger it."
Looks like No_Quarter also explained this by stating "...it rather seems like that you have no idea how did you trigger the Lich in the first place." I'll agree to that because it happened to me. And I can see how it'd happen quickly in capture or mobile defense or excavation - anything where you're expecting to click an action button as part of the mission BUT you get a lich.

"Reliable source for rant"
Probably not me or any player who had something similar happen. After all, we can simply be labeled as ignorant for not knowing about something that's not explained until AFTER it happens.

Alternate solution to your problem:
Read about liches on wiki fandom or some other source, since DE won't tell you everything in game. You might be able to sell your lich, if it has a weapon attribute others want. Look for the % damage type on lich screen.

[DLOZanma]

Anderson-님이 먼저 게시:

Again, throwing the enemy there in the middle of mobs you're willing to just kill by spamming abilities or attacks is not a good way to put this system

And they do not do that. Lich larvas always spawn at 200-300 meters away from you, have dialogue playing, have a CLEAR MARK ON THEIR HEAD THAT NOBODY ELSE IN THE GAME HAS, and have a window popping up when you go near them. That they can spawn in the middle of an enemy group is irrelevant as they don't spawn "out of the blue on you" like Assassins type enemies do, they spawn far and give you time to prepare.
Look i already admitted that not having a tutorial for them is super dumb and "first time error" is completely justifiable, but let's not say stuff that doesn't make sense. Afterwise following a damn marker into despair and doing anything to it is nothing but user error. Except for new players that weren't there when they were introduced, like you, activating a lich after they made them opt-in is entirely their fault. Saryn cleaning zones and making a lich by just existing was idiotic, and thank god they fixed that.
But more idiotic would be someone spending 4 hours searching a particular kuva weapon with Ember and then switching to Gauss for god knows what reason, stabbing a larva and complain he has to waste hours because the lich didn't have an Heat weapon. Or some genius with a cupid Ivara avatar thinking that landing near a tumbling larva and pressing the button that spawns it to reload(he had to reload right at that moment, specifically with that button and on the ground for some reason?) complaining he has to waste hours on that. Or that one guy dropping his Volt's shield specifically over a tumbling larva(????????) and trying to pick it up. Oh and don't even get me started on the "muscle memory" idiots, those are undefensible.

Your stealing of a catalyst is a sad occurance, but lv1 liches are honestly not an issue ever. You might even want to keep it since some Nightwave missions require it.

Also i can't recommend it enough: grab Revenant and go make yourself a sandwich while your lich tries to kill you.

[FAArscape]

I got my effing Lich DAY 1!!
Back then, there was NO mercy killing to get it...
Back then, if the larvaling died, you had a Lich , I still have mine...and are basically cut off from Lua beacuse of it...

It took DE about a week to change the system to what it is now...with the Mercy Killing of the lavalling...
DE also said that they should add a way to get rid of Liches, without having to go through all the crap....
But DE backaed away from that, by some reason (probably because of all them 'Git Gud'-morons out there, thinking that everyone likes/can do everything they can.

The, at least for the first week, FORCED Lich was a huge misstake...
Probably destroyed the game for far more ppl than just me...at least the nuber of threads like this one points to that...

And I really hope DE adds a way to get rid of the crap...
I mean, the ppl that wants to do it, can just keep on doing it...and get the stuffs locked behind it...

I, and apparently, a bunch of other ppl don't give a f**k about that stuffs...so I don't know why it should be so hard to implement an 'opt out' system...

And I definately dom't see how such a system could harm the 'git gus-squad'..

[Spookymancer]

See this thread, DE? See this?
This is why you need tutorials and explanations in your game. This is why you can't just rely on a fan-made wiki.

DLOZanma님이 먼저 게시:

Oh and don't even get me started on the "muscle memory" idiots, those are undefensible.

Having killed thousands of Thralls personally, this is the only excuse that is defensible. Thralls can only be killed by the context button, so you learn to kill them as quickly as possible to avoid delay. Before they finish the kneeling animation, if possible.
At this point, I'm like a trained dog. Anything that kneels gets stabbed, period.

[peppermint hollows]

Spookymancer님이 먼저 게시:

See this thread, DE? See this?
This is why you need tutorials and explanations in your game. This is why you can't just rely on a fan-made wiki.

No, they don't see this thread, they don't really read the Steam discussions.

[Rhudda]

Teaspoon님이 먼저 게시:

Anderson-님이 먼저 게시:

That's the problem man, I don't want to spend time grinding to defeat my lich, I find it stressful, not fun and a terrible experience, I'm not a high end fully OP player with heavily modded weapons or frames who can basically just pick reliable weapons and go kill him.

Lich missions are public missions, so even if you aren't powerful enough to bring the lich down by yourself your teammates probably are.

What typically happens when a lich spawns in a mission is that everyone in the group makes a mad dash for the Lich & because there's 4 people wailing on the lich it can go down pretty quick.

If it's your lich that spawns in the mission you just need to make sure to parazon it when it goes down. That's all you're really responsible for.

If you don't have the right requiem mods equipped or have them in the right order the lich will disappear & you'll have to try again.

You being under powered isn't a problem if you're trying to take down your lich unless you're trying to do it solo but like I said earlier lich missions are public missions & they automatically group people together like all other public missions.

Now, I don't know about Anderson, but what annoyed me the most about the whole lich thing was that it relied entirely on the relic system. Do you know what the drop chance of any given requiem is? If you refine them to radiant: 2,5 % if you're doing kuva syphon missions, 5 % in kuva floods - and you only get one flood mission per set, plus they're level 80-100. You need to do this three times. I don't have a problem with running a few mission to collect murmurs, but grinding for requiems is absolutely mind-numbing. The only thing that taints my enjoyment of Warframe is the relic system, whether it's for primes or the lich. I don't often bother collecting primes, but the lich taunting me every time I logged on or selected her planet got on my nerves, and I didn't want to fight the ropalolyst more times than necessary to get the wisp parts and I wasn't sure whether she could steal those too. So I decided to kill her. And now that she's dead I'm never doing it again.

If you're wondering how I arrived at those drop rates, that's a 50 % chance to get a relic on a syphon mission, then a 25 % chance to get the relic you actually need, and another 20 % that it contains the requiem you want, so that's 0.5*0.25*0.2=0.025. For flood missions the first 50 % doesn't apply which gives us 0.05 instead. Correct my calculation if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I needed to calculate probabilities.