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123veceu Jul 17, 2017 @ 12:20pm
Why is Ember Prime so expensive?
I know she's vaulted but still, i think it is still a lot or...
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Zombiesbum Aug 11, 2017 @ 10:39pm 
What's stupid is that emberP is "worth more" than NovaP, VoltP, AshP, and MagP combined. Explain that.

Scammers driving the prices up. That's all.
Last edited by Zombiesbum; Aug 11, 2017 @ 10:44pm
Dexious Emera Aug 11, 2017 @ 10:48pm 
because she thicc
Walrus-Sama Aug 11, 2017 @ 10:49pm 
Originally posted by Zombiesbum:
What's stupid is that emberP is "worth more" than NovaP, VoltP, AshP, and MagP combined. Explain that.

Scammers driving the prices up. That's all.

Originally posted by Walrus-Sama:
Waifus ain't cheap, Fam. :vanilla:

:sohandsome:
Vubes Aug 12, 2017 @ 12:06am 
Originally posted by Zombiesbum:
What's stupid is that emberP is "worth more" than NovaP, VoltP, AshP, and MagP combined. Explain that.

Scammers driving the prices up. That's all.

and i would take Nova everytime over this overpriced stupid looking frame wich is useless in late PogChamp.
robruckus65 Aug 12, 2017 @ 6:55am 
Originally posted by Zombiesbum:
What's stupid is that emberP is "worth more" than NovaP, VoltP, AshP, and MagP combined. Explain that.

Scammers driving the prices up. That's all.
It has nothign to do wiht how good she is it has to do solely with teh rarity of her blueprint. ash adn volt were just recently vaulted and both were incredibly easy to obtain. I have obtained 3 full volt prime sets since he was vaulted not even using my own relics since they were just uncommon drops. I doubt volt prime will ever be worth more than 200p just because he is was that common. Ember prime on the other hand was first vaulted before the relic system so teh only relics for here we released for 1 month and the one with her blueprint which is a rare drop was a rare hard to obtain relic. I have like 3 each of ember primes neuero, system, and chasis which are all worth next to nothing its all about that blueprint.
Indal Aug 12, 2017 @ 6:56am 
Originally posted by 123bomba:
I know she's vaulted but still, i think it is still a lot or...
Because the prices in the game are stupid and its a free market
Zombiesbum Aug 12, 2017 @ 10:27am 
Originally posted by robruckus65:
Originally posted by Zombiesbum:
What's stupid is that emberP is "worth more" than NovaP, VoltP, AshP, and MagP combined. Explain that.

Scammers driving the prices up. That's all.
It has nothign to do wiht how good she is it has to do solely with teh rarity of her blueprint. ash adn volt were just recently vaulted and both were incredibly easy to obtain. I have obtained 3 full volt prime sets since he was vaulted not even using my own relics since they were just uncommon drops. I doubt volt prime will ever be worth more than 200p just because he is was that common. Ember prime on the other hand was first vaulted before the relic system so teh only relics for here we released for 1 month and the one with her blueprint which is a rare drop was a rare hard to obtain relic. I have like 3 each of ember primes neuero, system, and chasis which are all worth next to nothing its all about that blueprint.

So you are saying if it was nyxP then everyone would be seling it for 700+ plat? I think not. A rare turd is still a turd. Rarity does not drive a price that high. Why is RhinoP now selling for between 200 and 300 plat when it was easy to get and just recently revaulted? Rarity only plays so much of a role. Any idiot can spam Heircon.

Hell I still had relics left from before RhinoP was vaulted the first time. And stil worth more than NyxP which requires 2 rare peices with 10% drop chance (radiant).

An items usefulness is what matters. And EmberP is no better than many of the already vaulted warframes. Even accounting for that the price it's at is scammy.

If you stil don't think so then why don't you buy my account with Excal prime for no less than £10,000? It's ultra rare and unabtainable after all. It's a rhetorical question.
Last edited by Zombiesbum; Aug 12, 2017 @ 10:33am
Monarch Aug 12, 2017 @ 10:34am 
Originally posted by Vulbjorn, the walrus rider.:
You pretty much answered your own question - she's vaulted, therefor, she's unobtainable in any way, except trading. Her prices will plummet when she's unvaulted. In the mean time, I'd sugest playing normal Ember, she's effectively the same.

While logic merits, I still think it's weird voodoo.
I've been trying to sell a Boar Prime set forever, nobody bites.
Kaiju Aug 12, 2017 @ 10:50am 
Originally posted by Zombiesbum:
What's stupid is that emberP is "worth more" than NovaP, VoltP, AshP, and MagP combined. Explain that.

Scammers driving the prices up. That's all.
It's not a scam, it's due to her rarity AND usefulness/popularity. She is perfectly capable of handling units up to lvl100, and since the vast majority of the playerbase barely ever faces units above 60 (outside of Sorties), she's considered the go-to frame for captures, exterminates and so forth (to every sane person's dislike, but that's another thing). She's not strong by any means, just good at what she does is all. Her Blueprint is "exceedingly" rare and seeing as she only has been unvaulted once, the price is pretty justified. Now, may I add that 700 (or whatever she's currently at) sounds like a lot to you, but in reality it's not that much considering how much plat you can make in a short period of time. As always, the seller dictates the price. Same with Maiming Strike, it will return at some point. Until it does, either farm the plat and buy it or...let's say patience is a virtue. I'm an advocate of keeping some items rare in order to incentivise people to put the effort in and earn it. Keeps the trade chat in check.
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AnonumusSoldier (Banned) Aug 12, 2017 @ 10:53am 
Originally posted by Zombiesbum:
An items usefulness is what matters. And EmberP is no better than many of the already vaulted warframes. Even accounting for that the price it's at is scammy.
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No, its not. Popularity is what drives prices. Yall seriously need to take some economics classes.
Supply and Demand. She is in high demand and because she is vaulted, supply is low, because the average joe cant go out and loot her. If people wherent willing to pay the price, then the price wouldnt be so high, which is why less popular sets that have the same rarity are much lower. The seller sets the price by the willingness of the buyer.
Zombiesbum Aug 12, 2017 @ 11:42am 
Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:
Originally posted by Zombiesbum:
An items usefulness is what matters. And EmberP is no better than many of the already vaulted warframes. Even accounting for that the price it's at is scammy.
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No, its not. Popularity is what drives prices. Yall seriously need to take some economics classes.
Supply and Demand. She is in high demand and because she is vaulted, supply is low, because the average joe cant go out and loot her. If people wherent willing to pay the price, then the price wouldnt be so high, which is why less popular sets that have the same rarity are much lower. The seller sets the price by the willingness of the buyer.

And you need to learn to read.


Originally posted by Kaiju:
Originally posted by Zombiesbum:
What's stupid is that emberP is "worth more" than NovaP, VoltP, AshP, and MagP combined. Explain that.

Scammers driving the prices up. That's all.
It's not a scam, it's due to her rarity AND usefulness/popularity. She is perfectly capable of handling units up to lvl100,

You talk like EmberP is the a stand alone warframe. Normal ember does the exact same. Not only that but volt is far better for capture and exterminate. Objectively so.


Can we all just remind ourselves that we are essentially pricing a "skin" at 700+ plat. You can buy another game for that price. You guys are also forgetting how easy it is to control a market when in the right possition. Look at diamonds for christ sake. An almost useless material, yet valued at absurd prices for "reasons".

A market is not all just "supply and demand". You know what a monopoly is? Warframe is riddled with them. When I look at the warframe market I don't see a healthy supply/demand trade. I see a controlled market.
Last edited by Zombiesbum; Aug 12, 2017 @ 11:54am
kknd Aug 12, 2017 @ 11:48am 
Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:
Originally posted by Zombiesbum:
An items usefulness is what matters. And EmberP is no better than many of the already vaulted warframes. Even accounting for that the price it's at is scammy.
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No, its not. Popularity is what drives prices. Yall seriously need to take some economics classes.
Supply and Demand. She is in high demand and because she is vaulted, supply is low, because the average joe cant go out and loot her. If people wherent willing to pay the price, then the price wouldnt be so high, which is why less popular sets that have the same rarity are much lower. The seller sets the price by the willingness of the buyer.
Basically this.

Ember Prime's price is a result of a tiny and long shrinking supply, combined with high demand. To put it simply, a seller of an Ember Prime set or BP can easily pass by any offer that doesn't tickle their fancy, and know their will be other people willing to buy it for as much or more.

Now, compare that to something like Bo Prime. No one want's it save as mastery fodder, so despite its rarity and the diffaculty to accquire one of it's components, their is no market for it.

A similar situation is true of many items in Warframe. Maiming Strike's supply is tiny and demand massive, so it's price is high as a result of sellers having to be convenced to sell in the first place.

Now you can contrast that to a situation where the buyer is at advantage, like with 'prime junk'. These 'worthless' parts are so common and worth so little in dukats that you can offer to buy 5 of them for 10 platinum or even less and in a pretty short amount of time get them.

Warframe's market is basically controlled by three factors:
1. Vaulting controls supply. Once something is vaulted, it can be years before more of it will enter circulation for a month or so again.

Ember Prime has been vaulted a long time.

2. Rarity controls price. Even if something is vaulted, it might be near worthless because it was a common drop on several keys/relics so everyone who wants one has one. Low demand exacerbates the problem as the supply dwindles slowly.

Ember Prime's Blue Print was scarce even when she wasn't vaulted yet.

3. Player Prefrence Controls Demand. Barring the extremely rare major statistical reworks of weapons or major changes to Warframes, the demand for a given item is going to be fairly consistant.

Ember is a popular Warframe to use.

Similar situations exist with the Soma Prime, where it is a perrenially in demand item as a popular assault rifle, and you can bet that when the Tigris Prime is vaulted their will be wailing and nashing of teeth about it. The Lex Prime might be ubiquitus, but the Aklex Prime's BP and Link only come from a relic that Barro brings occasionally, making those remarkbly expensive and diffacult to accquire.

In a free market like Warframe's trade, their is no hard regulation on prices. This is a totally free market, not one without some outside input, thanks to DE controling vaulting/unvaulting and Barro's inventory mind you.

If DE announced that, come December of this year, they would Unvault everything for the month? The effects on the market would be upheval such as we can scarcely imagine.:raven:
Zombiesbum Aug 12, 2017 @ 11:56am 
Originally posted by kknd:
Originally posted by AnonumusSoldier:
No, its not. Popularity is what drives prices. Yall seriously need to take some economics classes.
Supply and Demand. She is in high demand and because she is vaulted, supply is low, because the average joe cant go out and loot her. If people wherent willing to pay the price, then the price wouldnt be so high, which is why less popular sets that have the same rarity are much lower. The seller sets the price by the willingness of the buyer.

Basically this.

Tell That to the guy I replied to.
Last edited by Zombiesbum; Aug 12, 2017 @ 11:59am
kknd Aug 12, 2017 @ 11:59am 
Originally posted by Zombiesbum:
Originally posted by kknd:

Basically this.

Tell That to the guy I replied to.
I did. That's why I posted in the thread.:raven:
Vulbjorn Aug 12, 2017 @ 12:01pm 
I'll pop in for a second and ask everybody to remain civil, seeing as this conversation might take an unnecessary turn in the future.
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