i feel like nuke frames ruin warframe to an extent.

[Mitziete]

So i've started grinding relics again to farm the new prime stuff and i got into a game with someone playing banshee and all everyone did was sit in the middle while the banshee used her 4/3 idk which one is her nuke button.

So the entire time we're there doing literally nothing cause every 2 seconds he's pressing 4. he had like 300+ kills while everyone else had below 50.

i completely understand the power aspect of warframe and wanting to be a powerful crazy space warrior man but when your gameplay is so simplified that an end game build can just 1 shot literally everything in the map/ area around the objective that's just really bad balancing and ik balancing in warframe is a meme and all but why do the devs do absolutely nothing when it comes it?

weapons arent even the problem its the warframes being as strong as they can be.

As someone who has played for 3-4 years and has hundreds of hours i feel like this game would be way more fun if the gameplay was more involved in defense modes and not just pick the meta frame and press 1 button and go and collect energy when u have to.


Like i said, if this game had more involved gameplay, more challenging content it would be way more interesting or replayable if they gave u a reason to actually play the game like it was intended rather than just abusing meta choices because of how unbalanced they are.

[Pakaku]

but why do the devs do absolutely nothing when it comes it?

The devs want to support the idea of a power fantasy, and since nothing has really been done about nuke abilities, all I can assume is this is what the devs intended, good or bad

[Walrus-Sama]

It's not the players fault. They reason they are doing that (we can reasonably assume) is to farm a Defence mission for the brand new relics. Defence missions require you to kill a certain number of enemies per waves to progress. So obviously if you want to do this fast and not waste time the best way is to go a Nuke frame and clear waves as fast as possible. Fun is not a factor at all, they just want the relic.

I do the very same thing when farming relics for new primes (Io, Hydron, etc), just go Banshee, Mag or Saryn and clear house. I just want the new shiny toy, fun does not exist in pursuing it.

Nerfing nuke frames is not the solution, in fact doing that would make the game less fun as things like Defence missions would take longer and by extent the relic grind too.

[✨Saint✨]

End game? Where?.

Why bring it up again... It is the way the cookie crumbles in Warframe you know. https://steamcommunity.com/app/230410/discussions/0/1640916564835262946/

[Shendun]

I agree nuke frames is effective so long that there are no leecher eximus around.
And there is another problem new players and low lvl players see all these cheasy tactics, and they become copycats of thier "idols".
which create a hugh need for non-nuke powered tactics at higher diffculti lvl's.
(leecher eximus, nullifier,...)

[Mitziete]

Publicado originalmente por Saint:

End game? Where?.

Why bring it up again... It is the way the cookie crumbles in Warframe you know. https://steamcommunity.com/app/230410/discussions/0/1640916564835262946/

i forgot that i made that post lol. i just feel like warframe would be a lot better and more inviting to newer players if they balanced their game better.

[NITRO]

Publicado originalmente por Mitzieter:

Publicado originalmente por Saint:

End game? Where?.

Why bring it up again... It is the way the cookie crumbles in Warframe you know. https://steamcommunity.com/app/230410/discussions/0/1640916564835262946/

i forgot that i made that post lol. i just feel like warframe would be a lot better and more inviting to newer players if they balanced their game better.

Newer players maybe, but making the game more tedious for veterans is not the solution even if it seems to be a popular trend with DE at the moment. Nuke frames are a blessing for the endless missions especially when the goal is to get the reward for whatever new toy you are pursuing or whatever frame/weapon you are leveling at the moment.

[The Shadow]

Honestly this game is best played solo anyway, it's just as cancerous to see people spinning around with their melee weapon and killing everything, or spamming bramma and other explosive ♥♥♥♥ everywhere, especially if you're using precision weapons like snipers or bows. The problem for missions like survival is that you need cheesy tactics to keep going because the oxygen goes by too fast if you don't nuke everything as fast and as efficiently as possible, and also the fact that people always find a way to make things easy and fast, but that's just the way a shooting looter and any game where you have to farm for hours on end work, people just find a way to do make it with as little of a hassle as possible.

The reason why it's like this, is that while it may be fun for the few first runs for you do to do gun play, and I love it don't get me wrong, when you have to do this run thousands of times for one item, it ends up not being fun either. So the only way would be to reduce the grind needeed to get loots and items and at the same time to nerf nukes and aoes, including melee weapons and warframes with powers that can wipe out maps, and also nerfing how much killing you need to do in sanctuary and survival missions to keep going. But that's not going to happen, because players love too much to be OP and it's ultimately a casual coop game, even if it's grindy because of the fact that the game is free to play and they need to make incensitive to buy platinum.
Also mods would need some massive rebalancing and that's not going to happen before a while, and even if it does, it's very unlikely it will change things enough so that nukes or aoe spam of any nature is gone, so it's better to accept that it's going to happen in MP.

To be fair though, the grind IS the game too, if you could get everything easily you'd have nothing left to do in the game and leave, so you have to find a nice balance between everything, and that's extremely hard, especially with a game as big and complex as Warframe is (it's not really a hard game but it is extremely complex with how much stuff there is in it, and even moreso to balance properly). Personally I've played and gotten the vast majority of things in solo, and never trully had a problem with it, since I accepted that the grind is a big part of the game anyway. But I understand your point of view.

[[Meyo]Frakura]

Efficiently farm or you can handicap yourself and call it "skill gameplay". People see fun in that but I am not one to try it any time soon as I don't want to.

[The Shadow]

Publicado originalmente por MeyoFrakura:

Efficiently farm or you can handicap yourself and call it "skill gameplay". People see fun in that but I am not one to try it any time soon as I don't want to.

I used to be one of them but when you enventually get access to this much power it's hard to resist the temptation not to use the best method to do things, they're there for this after all. Except the calling it skill gameplay part, but I like to challenge myself from times to times even to this day.

*Shhh it's okay 6 forma kraken, they don't know our secret*

[rolypoly]

They do. Used to be Ember was, long ago, the only real nuke frame, and everyone complained. The answer was to make MORE nuke frames so that it's not only Ember and there's more choice, but clearly this has backfired because now people are complaining about nuke frames in general. And Limbo bubbles.

[PhellAsleep]

Publicado originalmente por Lumpty Dumpty:

They do. Used to be Ember was, long ago, the only real nuke frame, and everyone complained. The answer was to make MORE nuke frames so that it's not only Ember and there's more choice, but clearly this has backfired because now people are complaining about nuke frames in general. And Limbo bubbles.

No, nuke frames existed from the very beginning, all the way back to Alpha. The original nuke frames were Volt and then Excalibur. Even in Alpha, the game enable a single player to clear several rooms with the press of a single button, leaving the rest of the squad with nothing to do.

As soon as one got nerfed, another one became meta. Nuke frames have always existed. It was only with the void key system that CC frames saw more popularity in endless missions to farm prime parts.

[Mooman]

Warframe needs nuke frames to distract the players from the flaws underneath all the flashy colours. As a mostly solo player I've been able to see things that would be missed in the rush and chaos.

If you slowed down the game you would find simple A.I., bad spawns in walls and ceilings (that can still shoot out), impossible shoots (target looking in other direction or instant hit after invisibility or invun.), etc.

As much as it can be fun to clear an area with little effort, it is needed because the game engine can't compete with newer more complex game engines.

But really in any squad based game there will always be that one player who min/maxs and has played far too much to be healthy that will dominate, it's human nature after all to aim for the top spot.

[Radioactive Grass]

Publicado originalmente por Pakaku:

but why do the devs do absolutely nothing when it comes it?

The devs want to support the idea of a power fantasy, and since nothing has really been done about nuke abilities, all I can assume is this is what the devs intended, good or bad

Warframe honestly sucks at being a power fantasy. Like how am I suppose to enjoy the feeling of being powerful if all of my enemies are as weak as paper anyway?

What makes a power fantasy good is struggling to fight the enemy one minute then flawlessly wiping them away the next. It feels good to know I've easily defeated an enemy that's major threat.

Warframe dosen't scratch that itch, instead it gives me the Saitama experience of being too overpowered and underwhelmed by my enemies.

[TerraFlame]

I understand the use of nuke builds, it makes farming go a lot quicker. But when i use my nuke builds i usually go to friends only or solo. It does get boring if im playing a defense in a squad of 4 and theres a Limbo Saryn and Banshee vs my Atlas.

[wanderlust]

Publicado originalmente por Mitzieter:

if this game had more involved gameplay, more challenging content it would be way more interesting or replayable if they gave u a reason to actually play the game like it was intended rather than just abusing meta choices because of how unbalanced they are.

therein lies the problem with this game that you already knew about yet choose to blame the players instead. xd