This new melee system causes strain on hands

[Goose]

So before the update I had it set so that I could do a quick press of E to melee attack or I could hold F to switch to melee and use LMB to swing. The pro of that is with weapons like the atterax or whip weapons I use often is that I dont have to use one hand to slide and press the attack button simultaneously meaning less strain on my hands. Now for some reason they have removed this feature meaning if I want to slide attack I can now only use one hand, what kind of backwards thinking/oversight is this? Why even remove the Hold F for melee in the first place.

[Nikki]

No_Quarter eredeti hozzászólása:

well DE did talk about nerfing slide skill playz so....

Nikki eredeti hozzászólása:

If the update kept quick melee, equip melee, and auto block or manual block was a choice it would be good.

so if nothing was changed you would be good and it took you 14 seconds of testing to come to forum and whine how bad it is?

Also, "strain on hands" means that maybe your hands should work out.

I did not, do not, and I won't use the BS that is spin2win. I used combos, and when I wasn't using melee as my main source of damage I used quick melee attacks to open every container I ran across.

I don't need to test it to know that it would be better with those.

I didn't say it was a strain on anything, you sound like a troll.

No_Quarter eredeti hozzászólása:

Like holding F to swap was more strain to hands than clicking once and having it equipped so I really fail to see the exact point here apart from contradictions that lead to "why did they change stuff, I cannot be bothered to get used to it"

I see you didn't look at your keybinds. You didn't need to hold F unless you didn't bother to use the equip/switch melee key.

No_Quarter eredeti hozzászólása:

Some weapons had broken quick melee and I can see that, but why is it the problem for your hands that now same number of clicks still mean same number of attacks, just like it used to be?

It's not the same number of button presses now. Quick melee did one melee attack, and you were back using the same gun. Now at a minimum you need to press the melee attack key, and press the switch weapon or switch gun key to get back to the gun. This makes it cumbersome, and extremely unpleasant to use.

That doesn't get into the fact that for some reason I can't use melee at all. The melee attack key is bound, resetting to defaults does nothing, and clearing the saved preference files does nothing.

[No_Quarter]

Nikki eredeti hozzászólása:

No_Quarter eredeti hozzászólása:

well DE did talk about nerfing slide skill playz so....


so if nothing was changed you would be good and it took you 14 seconds of testing to come to forum and whine how bad it is?

Also, "strain on hands" means that maybe your hands should work out.

I did not, do not, and I won't use the BS that is spin2win. I used combos, and when I wasn't using melee as my main source of damage I used quick melee attacks to open every container I ran across.

I don't need to test it to know that it would be better with those.

I didn't say it was a strain on anything, you sound like a troll.

No_Quarter eredeti hozzászólása:

Like holding F to swap was more strain to hands than clicking once and having it equipped so I really fail to see the exact point here apart from contradictions that lead to "why did they change stuff, I cannot be bothered to get used to it"

I see you didn't look at your keybinds. You didn't need to hold F unless you didn't bother to use the equip/switch melee key.

surprise, you can click E and your melee is quickly out to destroy containers, with difference you you now have to click mouse buttons to have your firearm out.

Is that a problem? Entire switching system is WAY more dynamic, benefit being you cna get yoru weapons up faster.
So problem can be habits?

"I did not test it, I am here to say it is bad" is bulletproof logic. I just struggle to see the point, as chatbot said I am worried we are not playing the same game as system is way more dynamic, just few clicks different.

I do not see why not switch to melee, like combos have procs, combos have damage bonuses,, quick melee was inferior and dumb.
Also no, in 3500 hours I did not figure out how to use all 3 of my weapons

[Nikki]

@No_Quarter read the whole post. I'm done with your trolling, and trying to create drama.

[No_Quarter]

Nikki eredeti hozzászólása:

@No_Quarter read the whole post. I'm done with your trolling, and trying to create drama.

the irony being that this whining topic is made because OP decided to be drama queen because they have changed stuff a little but.

Just because you call it trolling does not mean it is, I am failing to see the problem apart from "they changed stuff" whine and no one is capable of pointing out the actual problem you guys are talking about.

You click E, you attack fast. That is fast. It can be used for anything. You click mouse and your gun is up instantly which is way faster than before. Your melee is up way faster than before.

Guess whine is because game does not automatically puts melee back and takes out gun? Is that what this quick melee is all about?

[Rapuncle]

Just a silly question, but how the hell does channeling nmow work? o.O
I still have melee on "E", when i press LMB i got the gun in my hand...
Do i have to bind another key for channeling???

SOLVED

"Channeling is now a toggle set to your alt-fire button when in melee mode."

[Alastar Wolfe]

I came back to Warframe to continue my melee-only strategy. It's a fun way to vent my emotions without having to get mad at anybody.

Now I see that the melee system has been completely wrecked. I never liked the combos Warframe had because they were super slow and didn't allow me to get out of a pinch fast enough. Quick melee allowed me to upgrade the heck out of my melee speed and have a great time killing everything quickly.

Now that melee has been nerfed like this and become a hindrance to my previously smooth gameplay, I might as well latch on to people so they can finish missions for me.

Seriously guys, please fix this.

[Spartykins]

having a mouse with thumb buttons helps

[Titan]

I just miss melee aim gliding...

[message2god]

Sounds like op's hand can't handle all wasd e f clt space for continuous slide attacks in one hand so he bind the melee attack to Lmb?

Alastar Wolfe eredeti hozzászólása:

I came back to Warframe to continue my melee-only strategy. It's a fun way to vent my emotions without having to get mad at anybody.

Now I see that the melee system has been completely wrecked. I never liked the combos Warframe had because they were super slow and didn't allow me to get out of a pinch fast enough. Quick melee allowed me to upgrade the heck out of my melee speed and have a great time killing everything quickly.

Now that melee has been nerfed like this and become a hindrance to my previously smooth gameplay, I might as well latch on to people so they can finish missions for me.

Seriously guys, please fix this.

I know what your talking, im Wu kong main and i use my condition overload zaw ploearm, use quick attack to stack as much status on emeny turns out killing much faster than using combos.
These fancy combos are actually lower dps than quick attacks because of the longer time you need to complete the animations and stacks status slower.
Also the combo animations locks your movement down making you reaching your next target slower than using quick attack.
Weapons like polearm with stances that does not proc bleed on combos has no merit in using.
But what the heck, it did cause an annoyance to me but its not that big of a deal to quit the game. Just adept to new changes constantly, as my Wu kong is gonna get a big change and many people didn't like it too.

[Nibbie]

Nikki eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not the same number of button presses now. Quick melee did one melee attack, and you were back using the same gun. Now at a minimum you need to press the melee attack key, and press the switch weapon or switch gun key to get back to the gun. This makes it cumbersome, and extremely unpleasant to use.

You are literally just wrong. If you need to melee, you press the melee key, exact same effect as quick melee, one key = one swing. It also takes less inputs to equip and use the melee weapon, as now it is just swing rather than equip melee->swing. That is the same amount of buttons for "quick melee" and less buttons to equip melee and start attacking. To equip your gun once you have your melee out, you shoot/aim, rather than press a button to swap back to guns, then shooting/aiming. Exact same buttons as quick melee as well: press melee once to attack, then shoot to fire. Again, less buttons. Honestly have no idea what you are talking about them making it more cumbersome when the entire point was to make it less cumbersome, which is exactly what it did. Also, if you can't even test it yourself because your melee doesn't work, you should not be able to give any opinions about how it feels anyway, and should focus on fixing that potential bug instead.

[SandScorpion]

I love the new system so much.
It is so much quicker and smoother to swap between melee and ranged weapons now.
It requires much less input to use melee and ranged in a single fight. No more tedious hold to swap controls. No need to hold block, which you would need keep holding the entire time anyway.

I hated the old melee so much I rarely used it appart from the occasional quick attack. Now you can go full melee without any hassle.

On topic, like others have said, turn on left click to continue melee in the options.

[No_Quarter]

Alastar Wolfe eredeti hozzászólása:

I came back to Warframe to continue my melee-only strategy.

Alastar Wolfe eredeti hozzászólása:

. I never liked the combos

how do these two statements sit in ONE person's mind and coexist there is beyond science.

Alastar Wolfe eredeti hozzászólása:

Quick melee allowed me to upgrade the heck out of my melee speed and have a great time killing everything quickly.

but when such person claims this you gotta give it to them - Quik Melee had no procs or added damage bonuses to the attack, meaning for most combos in this game it has a lower DPS than actual combos.

But melee master like your self should know that there are mods to increase the attack speed of the weapon and even arcanes and abilities that do that.
And attack speed is just part of the thing, it is attack speed times the damage of strikes and if combo has multihits and has up to x600% damage per hit - enjoying slight attack speed buff does not give you much of a benefit and your "faster killing" is a placebo.

Hope you learned something

[Nikki]

Nibbie eredeti hozzászólása:

You are literally just wrong. If you need to melee, you press the melee key, exact same effect as quick melee, one key = one swing. It also takes less inputs to equip and use the melee weapon, as now it is just swing rather than equip melee->swing. That is the same amount of buttons for "quick melee" and less buttons to equip melee and start attacking. To equip your gun once you have your melee out, you shoot/aim, rather than press a button to swap back to guns, then shooting/aiming. Exact same buttons as quick melee as well: press melee once to attack, then shoot to fire. Again, less buttons. Honestly have no idea what you are talking about them making it more cumbersome when the entire point was to make it less cumbersome, which is exactly what it did. Also, if you can't even test it yourself because your melee doesn't work, you should not be able to give any opinions about how it feels anyway, and should focus on fixing that potential bug instead.

I'm not wrong. Quick melee was equip melee, swing once, and sheath melee. To do that know you need to press melee attack, and right mouse button. I have not asked for them to force everyone to use the older style, I want it to be an option.

[Kittenpox]

Midnight eredeti hozzászólása:

Nikki eredeti hozzászólása:

Options>Controls>Melee with Fire Weapon Input. However it only applies when a melee weapon is equipped,and for some reason that got removed. Quick melee is gone, and for me at least melee attack does nothing.

You "equip" the melee weapon by attacking with it using quick melee (or just melee now). You use melee you have a melee out. You press shoot or aim or reload and now you have your gun out. It's simple.

All that toggle does is make it so once you have your melee out you can use it with LMB and get back into gun mode using the other two options (aim and reload).

And if you can't use melee at all then try rebinding your keys again. If it doesn't work after that it's a bug.

That sounds pretty useful! Thankyou for the tip!

[SandScorpion]

Nikki eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm not wrong. Quick melee was equip melee, swing once, and sheath melee. To do that know you need to press melee attack, and right mouse button. I have not asked for them to force everyone to use the older style, I want it to be an option.

No, you don't have to put your weapon away any more. So only quick slash is still just one button press. If you want to shoot after that, any input related to shooting will automatically swap to your gun.
So still one input for one quick slash.