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ShoarmaMan 4/fev./2019 às 9:27
Is Ember Prime any good?
I have what it takes to make Ember Prime but alot of people say she is really bad so should i sell it or make it?
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Escrito originalmente por 󠁳⁧⁧ShadeShot:
she is my most played frame, in lower level missions she just runs straight through everything, and even in sortie missions she can do dents in hp, its not a lot but it is still a good amount if you dont have a good riven on a weapon you will save a couple bullets or so, and with a certain augment, when something gets hit with her 4 it gets knocked down so for cc she is great, her 2 and 3 also cc, she is considered awful compared to what she was, at high levels she will get one shot randomly and her abilities dont do much dmg,

you just have to be a very fast player at higher levels jumping everywhere trying to get your 4 to proc as many enemies as possible if you have the augment

additions : get her, for mr and to just have if they ever make her good again

to sum up : just get her, if you want to play a good frame, she just isnt very good, one of the worst in the game atm :(, she is fun to look at and to run around with 4 up is just something i will never get tired of, in lower levels (if you want to sacrifice energy in your build up to like level 50 or so) she can do a good amount of dmg for running through missions, in higher level missions you can run a dmg build but its not going to do anything so just pick what augments you want, the augment for her 4 is on every build iteration i have done
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VeritasNumquamPerit 6/fev./2019 às 8:42 
Escrito originalmente por Sceles:
The people who are saying she's bad are not building her right. She needs all the range you can possibly get. Forget strength, forget duration, focus solely on range and efficiency. Build her right and she's easily one of the top frames for fissures.
How exactly are you going to kill stuff if you forget about strength?
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Sceles 6/fev./2019 às 8:46 
Escrito originalmente por VeritasNumquamPerit:
Escrito originalmente por Sceles:
For fissures she needs no survivability. If you ever need to go past 60 in endless then just spam her 2 to CC everything. And you're not better off playing almost any other frame, you need a frame like Saryn or Volt to get a comparable performance in fissures.
Why would you need CC in low level stuff? Aren't you better off just killing everything and end of story?
Because if you go above 60 that's no longer low lvl and because you need to use it anyway to increase the dmg the enemies take. Why do people ask so stupid questions these days.

Escrito originalmente por VeritasNumquamPerit:
Escrito originalmente por Sceles:
The people who are saying she's bad are not building her right. She needs all the range you can possibly get. Forget strength, forget duration, focus solely on range and efficiency. Build her right and she's easily one of the top frames for fissures.
How exactly are you going to kill stuff if you forget about strength?
By dealing damage? Ember does not need high str to deal sufficient amount of dmg to get kills. She can also snapshot corruption to double her dmg and range.
Última edição por Sceles; 6/fev./2019 às 8:51
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VeritasNumquamPerit 6/fev./2019 às 11:54 
Escrito originalmente por Sceles:
Escrito originalmente por VeritasNumquamPerit:
Why would you need CC in low level stuff? Aren't you better off just killing everything and end of story?
Because if you go above 60 that's no longer low lvl and because you need to use it anyway to increase the dmg the enemies take. Why do people ask so stupid questions these days.

Escrito originalmente por VeritasNumquamPerit:
How exactly are you going to kill stuff if you forget about strength?
By dealing damage? Ember does not need high str to deal sufficient amount of dmg to get kills. She can also snapshot corruption to double her dmg and range.

Good to know. No reason to call others stupid. Not everyone has complete knowledge of everything in the game
Última edição por VeritasNumquamPerit; 6/fev./2019 às 11:54
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dhyan 6/fev./2019 às 12:08 
great frame with many options to mod her if you gie it the forma .
just wof is a bit nerfed but she runs the charchart and all with alaugh.

if you have the right status on it on wof you basicly have everything stunned around you.
it was my first prime frame years back and still love her for it all reforma'd with 8 (before the umbra mods came out).

with the wof sydicate mod you make 1 kill builds with a dagger.
with her stun you have everything... stunned..

ah ok frame for sure i would say and sugjest. atleast a fun one if played ok
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PocketYoda 6/fev./2019 às 13:35 
Escrito originalmente por VeritasNumquamPerit:
Escrito originalmente por Sceles:
Because if you go above 60 that's no longer low lvl and because you need to use it anyway to increase the dmg the enemies take. Why do people ask so stupid questions these days.


By dealing damage? Ember does not need high str to deal sufficient amount of dmg to get kills. She can also snapshot corruption to double her dmg and range.

Good to know. No reason to call others stupid. Not everyone has complete knowledge of everything in the game
I have a few builds on Ember, but there are a few youtube builds that are pretty good.
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TheTool 6/fev./2019 às 15:22 
With this build I run lvl 200+ with Ember Prime.

Growing Power - Rank 5 = Ability Strength
Power Drift - Rank 5 = Ability Strength
Transient Fortitude - Rank 9 = Ability Strength
Intensify - Rank 5 = Ability Strength
Fleeting Expertise - Rank 5 = Efficiency
Streamline - Rank 5 = Efficiency
Continuity - Rank 5 = Duration (makeup drain for fleeting)
Redirection - Rank 10 = Shields
Vitality - Rank 10 = Health
Firequake - Rank 3 = CC
Arcane Guardian - Rank 3 = Armor
Arcane Guardian - Rank 3 = Armor

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TheTool 6/fev./2019 às 18:02 
Escrito originalmente por TheTool:
With this build I run lvl 200+ with Ember Prime.

Growing Power - Rank 5 = Ability Strength
Power Drift - Rank 5 = Ability Strength
Transient Fortitude - Rank 9 = Ability Strength
Intensify - Rank 5 = Ability Strength
Fleeting Expertise - Rank 5 = Efficiency
Streamline - Rank 5 = Efficiency
Continuity - Rank 5 = Duration (makeup drain for fleeting)
Redirection - Rank 10 = Shields
Vitality - Rank 10 = Health
Firequake - Rank 3 = CC
Arcane Guardian - Rank 3 = Armor
Arcane Guardian - Rank 3 = Armor

FYI, I just did 1 hr 20 min Arbitration with this build.
Also to mention, it was Ember 300% strength, but never the less... it was this build.
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Walrus-Sama 6/fev./2019 às 18:31 
Ember is one of the weakest frames in the game currently. Her recent nerf hit her hard, and what's worse is she was already weak before the nerf. She's a DPS but has very low none-scaling damage (that falls off around lvl 60) and next to no survivablity.

She is in desperate need of a damage buff and some form of scaling.
Última edição por Walrus-Sama; 6/fev./2019 às 18:31
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PocketYoda 6/fev./2019 às 19:03 
Escrito originalmente por Walrus-Sama:
Ember is one of the weakest frames in the game currently. Her recent nerf hit her hard, and what's worse is she was already weak before the nerf. She's a DPS but has very low none-scaling damage (that falls off around lvl 60) and next to no survivablity.

She is in desperate need of a damage buff and some form of scaling.
You could say the same about 75% of the warframes..
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TheTool 6/fev./2019 às 20:31 
Not dogging you in anyway Walrus....

Escrito originalmente por Walrus-Sama:
Ember is one of the weakest frames in the game currently. Her recent nerf hit her hard, and what's worse is she was already weak before the nerf. She's a DPS but has very low none-scaling damage (that falls off around lvl 60) and next to no survivablity.

She is in desperate need of a damage buff and some form of scaling.

No scaling here, unfortunately, but..........

Escrito originalmente por TheTool:
Escrito originalmente por TheTool:
With this build I run lvl 200+ with Ember Prime.

Growing Power - Rank 5 = Ability Strength
Power Drift - Rank 5 = Ability Strength
Transient Fortitude - Rank 9 = Ability Strength
Intensify - Rank 5 = Ability Strength
Fleeting Expertise - Rank 5 = Efficiency
Streamline - Rank 5 = Efficiency
Continuity - Rank 5 = Duration (makeup drain for fleeting)
Redirection - Rank 10 = Shields
Vitality - Rank 10 = Health
Firequake - Rank 3 = CC
Arcane Guardian - Rank 3 = Armor
Arcane Guardian - Rank 3 = Armor

FYI, I just did 1 hr 20 min Arbitration with this build.
Also to mention, it was Ember 300% strength, but never the less... it was this build.

She's is not as squishy as everyone thinks.
She can actually be pretty tuff and make it a long ways. (Especially with the R3 Arcane Guardians)
I have made it to lvl 500 enemies with her. (Due to surviveablity)
Mind you, that your weapons and their strengths still matter a great deal with her (as with many other frames) and are very important overall.
Also when using World on Fire, you have to move into range and then out of range and then back into range... over and over. (This can kill lvl 200+ easy)
WoF hits multiple times per enemy if you play her fast.
...
but that's how you have to play her.
If you expect to sit still and be a bullet sponge, then Ember is not for you.
She requires a very active alert player to use her correctly.

If you really want to get dirty, then start blasting accelerant. The great thing about it, is, that it is not a ring abitilty but a globe ability, and can be used in the air to not hinder her movements while hitting enemies below her.

She is the equivalent of a B-52 Bomber.

Did I mention that I main Ember?
Nah, I don't.
Yes, I do.
Nah, I don't.
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PocketYoda 7/fev./2019 às 5:42 
Escrito originalmente por NITRO:
people arguing that Ember isn't trash
well, lets see

> can't take any dmg or she dies
> can't deal any dmg to anything above lvl 50 because fire dmg sucks
> can't CC anymore
> very bad passive
> can't buff decently and her buff requires an augment which sucks
> no synergy between abilities

Well, the verdict is clear, she sucks :V
Your Ember must be very paper thin...
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dhyan 7/fev./2019 às 6:23 
Escrito originalmente por NITRO:
people arguing that Ember isn't trash
well, lets see

> can't take any dmg or she dies
> can't deal any dmg to anything above lvl 50 because fire dmg sucks
> can't CC anymore
> very bad passive
> can't buff decently and her buff requires an augment which sucks
> no synergy between abilities

Well, the verdict is clear, she sucks :V


lmao
what silly yt vid have you seen.

just maybe if you played it diff or modded it diff you would have notice the difference.
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V.V. 7/fev./2019 às 7:15 
Escrito originalmente por Sceles:
For fissures she needs no survivability. If you ever need to go past 60 in endless then just spam her 2 to CC everything. And you're not better off playing almost any other frame, you need a frame like Saryn or Volt to get a comparable performance in fissures.

You can't really spam her abilities too much, even tho she's a caster frame her energy pool isn't that great. I find playing her in high lvl missions more of a chore than anything. Energy management, combined with health management, combined with ability spamming for CC and lots of happy thoughts because she's only got so many tricks in her bag (fire, fire and more fire) and her energy pool can't sustain her need to survive.

Now if you get lots of energy drops it's not too bad, but you'll still be starved for more energy if you spam. Ranged enemies are her biggest weakness and that's the majority of enemy types you face. She's still in a bad place, building her for range/eff and sacrificing other stats doesn't sound like the good answer to her problems... that just shows that her rework wasn't that successful or even all that great for her.

Not everyone's play-style will be the same as yours, so what works for you wont work for others. I prefer balanced tanky builds, and that's the build I use for her. I can do high lvl bounties but its A LOT of work with Ember to keep her alive, even with using her 2nd for CC. I'd never take her to a Sortie unless I just REALLY enjoy making my job harder than it has to be.
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KIREEK 7/fev./2019 às 7:54 
Ember, like all warframes, is only as good as the player itself.
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Shazbot! (Banido(a)) 7/fev./2019 às 8:33 
Escrito originalmente por TheTool:
FYI, I just did 1 hr 20 min Arbitration with this build.
So it was infested survival, right? It's not really an achievement then.
having only one usuable ability doesn't make it even close to being decent btw
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