Normal Sanctuary Onslaught: Noob city?

[CazadorDeLobo]

Every time without fail, someone quits early(Like middle of Round 1 or 2, straight up ESC key > Quit), while my teammates just flail around with MK1-Bo and other underpowered elements. Why aren't people kitted to actually play the game mode? What is the expectation from people, that there will be a Banshee or Saryn nuking everything for them? Even when there is, people still find a reason to rage quit. Why waste your time?

About to kill this thread unless people learn to read each others comments. Just wow.

After more deliberation I can determine that the likely reason for people quitting, since I can only guess, is widespread misinformation about how affinity is rewarded in the game mode. But I digress as I want input from the community, if you yourself quit within 90 seconds. A chance to explain.

[FALLENV3GAS]

Originalmente postado por Komarimaru:

Originalmente postado por FALLENV3GAS:

"Even without a booster and not using Saryn, you can get your weapons to level 30 at round 4. The fact you are getting to round 8 at only have your weapons at level 9 isn't a problem with the gamemode but you as a player."

Was referencing ESO not SO.

SO is a worse farm then Hydron but is accessed easier then Hydron on the solar map hence the amount of low MR players flocking there.

Well, the thread is about normal SO, after all lol

Well done captain obvious.

If you care to look again, it's asking (their own biased opinion to be humoured) why people leave SO, where I mentioned it's a common issue on ESO as well.

[Komarimaru]

Originalmente postado por Gigan The Gojira:

Originalmente postado por Komarimaru:

Unfortunately, you are wrong on that regard about affinity. You barely get any affinity first two round, even with S rank. You barely get affinity for 4 rounds, nor 6, nor 8. The majority of the affinity is coming from the bonus of completing said rounds.

For example, I had three unranked weapons entering SO. Once I had completed all 8 rounds, S rank for 7 of them due to some rooms being bad for Saryn and spawns, I was only rank 9 on all three weapons.

Small edit, that is with an affinity booster as well.

Wow, I found something in your post that contradicts your arguments, either that or you're just stupid. You went in with THREE UNRANKED weapons. Considering how you make up facts, I assume you atleast know the consequence of trying to level three weapons at once.

Gonna quote this now, to make you look like a complete and total ♥♥♥♥♥♥ to others. All because you attacked me for no reason with NO FACTS!

Here I am, fresh weapon, no affinity, Unranked:
https://i.imgur.com/E0We7Kr.jpg
Here is the weapon, after completing Zone 4:
https://i.imgur.com/BfO2wCo.jpg
And finally, after completing Zone 8:
https://i.imgur.com/tOFWcVj.jpg

Now, tell me again, where my made up facts were? That was a single, uno, one, weapon.

You need to learn how affinity works in warframe, if don't know it by now.

[karthik.upadya1]

Originalmente postado por Komarimaru:

Originalmente postado por FALLENV3GAS:

Even without a booster and not using Saryn, you can get your weapons to level 30 at round 4. The fact you are getting to round 8 at only have your weapons at level 9 isn't a problem with the gamemode but you as a player.


Calm down kiddo. I didn't say the word blocking now did I? I said the word "disregarding", since you only cared to make the answer the one person who agreed with you who ironically, is super wrong.

I'd love to know how it's my problem, when have almost 4000 kills and 90% damage done in pugs with higher MR players then myself.


https://i.imgur.com/r0UlY1N.jpg
By all means, I want to hear how it is remotely possible it is something I am doing wrong. Those weapons started at Rank 9 btw. So again, what am I doing wrong as the player?

Or do you not know how affinity is spread between the frame and weapons?

If you kill enemies with warframe abilities all the affinity is going to warframe.
To effectively level up weapons you have to kill enemies with your weapons or let the other people kill the enemies for you. In that case affinity is shared between the warframe and weapons.

[Komarimaru]

Originalmente postado por karthik.upadya1:

Originalmente postado por Komarimaru:

I'd love to know how it's my problem, when have almost 4000 kills and 90% damage done in pugs with higher MR players then myself.


https://i.imgur.com/r0UlY1N.jpg
By all means, I want to hear how it is remotely possible it is something I am doing wrong. Those weapons started at Rank 9 btw. So again, what am I doing wrong as the player?

Or do you not know how affinity is spread between the frame and weapons?

If you kill enemies with warframe abilities all the affinity is going to warframe.
To effectively level up weapons you have to kill enemies with your weapons or let the other people kill the enemies for you. In that case affinity is shared between the warframe and weapons.

I know this, why I told them they were wrong. Since If I'm leveling said weapons, they won't be used due to poor damage. Others are not getting the fact on how affinity spread is, the rather poor 75% to warframe and 25% spread among three weapons.

[BurlsoL]

Originalmente postado por Komarimaru:

Originalmente postado por karthik.upadya1:

If you kill enemies with warframe abilities all the affinity is going to warframe.
To effectively level up weapons you have to kill enemies with your weapons or let the other people kill the enemies for you. In that case affinity is shared between the warframe and weapons.

I know this, why I told them they were wrong. Since If I'm leveling said weapons, they won't be used due to poor damage. Others are not getting the fact on how affinity spread is, the rather poor 75% to warframe and 25% spread among three weapons.

But somehow 2 rounds of normal sanctuary is enough to max out a weapon... Supposedly. Even if the requirement is a booster, a single weapon, and having someone else do all the killing in normal Sanctuary... You would still be looking at a minimum of 5-8 rounds depending on layout, and still probably want to remain in the mission with someone who was able to do the killing instead of bailing after the first. ESO would be less rounds, but we aren't talking about ESO here.

Regarding newer players in Sanctuary, just because it is unlocked does not mean the content is geared towards newer players. Later bounties, Eidelon hunts, and the Spiders are designed around moderately capable players but are not restricted directly to MR. Even still, if a low MR player is doing content solely to try and level equipment quickly, why wouldn't they want a high MR player carrying them? If they were looking for something that is suited for their level, there is a whole star chart filled with endless mission types that are also fairly good for affinity while being something that isn't played heavily by high MR players. More over, the same behavior happens in both SO and ESO so it is not a new player thing. It also doesn't change the fact that a low MR player with poorly modded weapons has no business going into SO and expecting to do anything other than get a free ride or be wasting their time against content which clearly is not suited to them. Enemy difficulty quickly ramps up in SO without giving you the benefit or resource drops, credits, or mods that a new player ultimately NEEDS in order to progress.

[Komarimaru]

Originalmente postado por BurlsoL:

Originalmente postado por Komarimaru:

I know this, why I told them they were wrong. Since If I'm leveling said weapons, they won't be used due to poor damage. Others are not getting the fact on how affinity spread is, the rather poor 75% to warframe and 25% spread among three weapons.

But somehow 2 rounds of normal sanctuary is enough to max out a weapon... Supposedly. Even if the requirement is a booster, a single weapon, and having someone else do all the killing in normal Sanctuary... You would still be looking at a minimum of 5-8 rounds depending on layout, and still probably want to remain in the mission with someone who was able to do the killing instead of bailing after the first. ESO would be less rounds, but we aren't talking about ESO here.

Regarding newer players in Sanctuary, just because it is unlocked does not mean the content is geared towards newer players. Later bounties, Eidelon hunts, and the Spiders are designed around moderately capable players but are not restricted directly to MR. Even still, if a low MR player is doing content solely to try and level equipment quickly, why wouldn't they want a high MR player carrying them? If they were looking for something that is suited for their level, there is a whole star chart filled with endless mission types that are also fairly good for affinity while being something that isn't played heavily by high MR players. More over, the same behavior happens in both SO and ESO so it is not a new player thing.

Exactly on your first point. In ESO I only average 2000-3500 kills, depending on the maps and if filled with nullifiers lol.

ESO is a bit faster affinity, IF... the big kicker is IF, the others are doing at least something, but most don't know what to do since if you spam a skill, it gets locked out lol

[FALLENV3GAS]

Originalmente postado por BurlsoL:

Originalmente postado por Komarimaru:

I know this, why I told them they were wrong. Since If I'm leveling said weapons, they won't be used due to poor damage. Others are not getting the fact on how affinity spread is, the rather poor 75% to warframe and 25% spread among three weapons.

But somehow 2 rounds of normal sanctuary is enough to max out a weapon... Supposedly. Even if the requirement is a booster, a single weapon, and having someone else do all the killing in normal Sanctuary... You would still be looking at a minimum of 5-8 rounds depending on layout, and still probably want to remain in the mission with someone who was able to do the killing instead of bailing after the first. ESO would be less rounds, but we aren't talking about ESO here.

Regarding newer players in Sanctuary, just because it is unlocked does not mean the content is geared towards newer players. Later bounties, Eidelon hunts, and the Spiders are designed around moderately capable players but are not restricted directly to MR. Even still, if a low MR player is doing content solely to try and level equipment quickly, why wouldn't they want a high MR player carrying them? If they were looking for something that is suited for their level, there is a whole star chart filled with endless mission types that are also fairly good for affinity while being something that isn't played heavily by high MR players. More over, the same behavior happens in both SO and ESO so it is not a new player thing. It also doesn't change the fact that a low MR player with poorly modded weapons has no business going into SO and expecting to do anything other than get a free ride or be wasting their time against content which clearly is not suited to them. Enemy difficulty quickly ramps up in SO without giving you the benefit or resource drops, credits, or mods that a new player ultimately NEEDS in order to progress.

You can quite easily just be carried by other players in SO if they know what they are doing and piggy back off their XP.

Hydron is furthur in the star map and thus, harder to obtain. If I remember correctly, you can go for SO when you reach your first relay. You can even go on ESO as long as you have a level 30 Frame, an easy feat. So the barrier of entry is far lower then going to Hydron.

With that information (lower barrier of entry and easy to be carried) another reason people leave often is they don't know how underpreapred they are for the mode and thus leave or even alot of people don't wish to go for endurance runs. Alot of people leave Survival, Defense and Interception before it even begins.

[Komarimaru]

Also, for those saying you can max a weapon in two rounds, even if it's ESO...

Hmmm...
Mind you, my score reset due to host leaving, weee! So, jut add the two scores together.

Round 4 Complete ESO:
https://i.imgur.com/6S3dUMM.jpg
Round 8 Complete ESO:
https://i.imgur.com/4uir9e9.jpg

Now, I'm not saying it's impossible. I've done it a few times with a good group. A good group being the kicker. Sadly, the average group does not excel when it comes to pugs, but I can't be picky on who I get, can I? lol

Ok, no more rushing weapons I don't need anymore, just because have the parts spare to build them.

[BurlsoL]

Originalmente postado por FALLENV3GAS:

With that information (lower barrier of entry and easy to be carried) another reason people leave often is they don't know how underpreapred they are for the mode and thus leave or even alot of people don't wish to go for endurance runs. Alot of people leave Survival, Defense and Interception before it even begins.

Except, SO and ESO isn't a planet node, you can't go into it on accident unless you are paying 0 attention to what you were doing and weren't cued into it being something long and difficult with the name of "Onslaught".

Also, at least in terms of ESO, if this was the case, you wouldn't have people abandoning after the first wave, only to see the same person do it again next time you started, presumably because they've abandoned the 2-4 other games they got into in the span of time it took to run 8 waves.

Most of the people I have seen leaving an interception or survival early is usually because they don't see a classic carry frame and don't want to spend the effort having to actually try. Not because they see a party with higher MR players who will likely handle all the heavy lifting.



I mean, I guess it really boils down to the point... Maybe we really should have some kind of option to limit low MR players from ever encountering high MR players. I have no problem waiting an extra 10-20 seconds to be matched with people of similar gearing and skill level as long as it means getting a full squad that remains full so that enemy numbers remain high enough to be worthwhile.

[FALLENV3GAS]

Originalmente postado por BurlsoL:

Originalmente postado por FALLENV3GAS:

With that information (lower barrier of entry and easy to be carried) another reason people leave often is they don't know how underpreapred they are for the mode and thus leave or even alot of people don't wish to go for endurance runs. Alot of people leave Survival, Defense and Interception before it even begins.

Except, SO and ESO isn't a planet node, you can't go into it on accident unless you are paying 0 attention to what you were doing and weren't cued into it being something long and difficult with the name of "Onslaught".

Also, at least in terms of ESO, if this was the case, you wouldn't have people abandoning after the first wave, only to see the same person do it again next time you started, presumably because they've abandoned the 2-4 other games they got into in the span of time it took to run 8 waves.

Most of the people I have seen leaving an interception or survival early is usually because they don't see a classic carry frame and don't want to spend the effort having to actually try. Not because they see a party with higher MR players who will likely handle all the heavy lifting.



I mean, I guess it really boils down to the point... Maybe we really should have some kind of option to limit low MR players from ever encountering high MR players. I have no problem waiting an extra 10-20 seconds to be matched with people of similar gearing and skill level as long as it means getting a full squad that remains full so that enemy numbers remain high enough to be worthwhile.

Don't quite know where you think I said that people might accidently click on the mission type...

"Also, at least in terms of ESO, if this was the case, you wouldn't have people abandoning after the first wave, only to see the same person do it again next time you started, presumably because they've abandoned the 2-4 other games they got into in the span of time it took to run 8 waves."

I wonder why they keep leaving... could it be that they are leveling their gear?

"Most of the people I have seen leaving an interception or survival early is usually because they don't see a classic carry frame and don't want to spend the effort having to actually try."

Same can be said for SO.

"Not because they see a party with higher MR players who will likely handle all the heavy lifting."

That's a baseless assumption.

[Winter cruise]

Originalmente postado por FALLENV3GAS:

Even on Elite SO, people still quite round wave 1 or 2 either because they are ranking up with a booster or they are just terrible at shooting things.

E/SO and a lot of other things need to be looked at again.

A lot of people are horrible at shooting things in warframe. Why do you think so many people use arca plasmor and lenz. Not knocking people who use those weapons but there seems to be a lot of players that favor spread weapons over aim weapons.

[Grey Star, The Rival Defender]

Originalmente postado por iorn:

Originalmente postado por FALLENV3GAS:

Even on Elite SO, people still quite round wave 1 or 2 either because they are ranking up with a booster or they are just terrible at shooting things.

E/SO and a lot of other things need to be looked at again.

A lot of people are horrible at shooting things in warframe. Why do you think so many people use arca plasmor and lenz. Not knocking people who use those weapons but there seems to be a lot of players that favor spread weapons over aim weapons.

Might it be there's a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ enemies in a given high level mission?

[Grey Star, The Rival Defender]

Originalmente postado por BurlsoL:

I mean, I guess it really boils down to the point... Maybe we really should have some kind of option to limit low MR players from ever encountering high MR players. I have no problem waiting an extra 10-20 seconds to be matched with people of similar gearing and skill level as long as it means getting a full squad that remains full so that enemy numbers remain high enough to be worthwhile.

Wouldn't work. Generally speaking the lower the MR the player, the less they care about MR farming. Higher MR players farmed harder, and also generally have access to more things to farm than lower MR players, even if they are running out of fodder.

[Gigan The Gojira]

Originalmente postado por Komarimaru:

Originalmente postado por Gigan The Gojira:

Wow, I found something in your post that contradicts your arguments, either that or you're just stupid. You went in with THREE UNRANKED weapons. Considering how you make up facts, I assume you atleast know the consequence of trying to level three weapons at once.

Gonna quote this now, to make you look like a complete and total ♥♥♥♥♥♥ to others. All because you attacked me for no reason with NO FACTS!

Here I am, fresh weapon, no affinity, Unranked:
https://i.imgur.com/E0We7Kr.jpg
Here is the weapon, after completing Zone 4:
https://i.imgur.com/BfO2wCo.jpg
And finally, after completing Zone 8:
https://i.imgur.com/tOFWcVj.jpg

Now, tell me again, where my made up facts were? That was a single, uno, one, weapon.

You need to learn how affinity works in warframe, if don't know it by now.

It's in your own post mate: "for example, I had three unranked weapons entering SO." thats where I got my statement from. You also said you had one, but you clearly had an amprex and an atmos. The basics of affinity is that it's shared among the weapons. Less weapons, more affinity that goes towards them. Any weapons that are maxed are wasting affinity, and your amprex has a focus lense on it, which yes gives you focus, but nobody tries to get focus and affinity on weapons then complains about the farm being ineffective.
Edit: Typos because I'm a total ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Gigan The Gojira]

Originalmente postado por iorn:

Originalmente postado por FALLENV3GAS:

Even on Elite SO, people still quite round wave 1 or 2 either because they are ranking up with a booster or they are just terrible at shooting things.

E/SO and a lot of other things need to be looked at again.

A lot of people are horrible at shooting things in warframe. Why do you think so many people use arca plasmor and lenz. Not knocking people who use those weapons but there seems to be a lot of players that favor spread weapons over aim weapons.

I always thought it was because you could kill more people with one bullet.