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Ve. Sagara 2019 年 3 月 30 日 下午 9:41
Warframe need Usage Statistics/Data for Public (Personal Opinion)
Ok, the title is weird but here what i mean. Warframe needs state usage about most used frame, weapon, most popular mission, etc. DE can add it to offical website, or in game directly.

So people will know about frame/weapon that nobody use then DE may add buff/rework or something like that. It's simple, It's like dotabuff for Dota 2. Also since we barely do PvP, DE can release PvE stats instead. Also it's can contain player record like someone ESO record, fastest Edi-Chan hunting, longest people that AFK in Cetus to show their frame design, etc. Sry for English, What do guys think?
最后由 Ve. Sagara 编辑于; 2019 年 3 月 30 日 下午 10:02
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Pakaku 2019 年 3 月 30 日 下午 9:44 
I mean, I'm pretty sure DE has all of this data already, and making it public isn't important.
Incunabulum 2019 年 3 月 30 日 下午 9:45 
The question is - why would this need to be public?

And DE already knows this info - its what informs the magnitudes of the Riven stats.
Ve. Sagara 2019 年 3 月 30 日 下午 10:00 
引用自 Incunabulum
The question is - why would this need to be public?

And DE already knows this info - its what informs the magnitudes of the Riven stats.

It's like something that people can discuss, like "What Meta Now" things. You can guess what actually happen if the data said Wukong usage is 1% meanwhile Saryn already at 70% for each mission. Sure something like this usually only avaliable for PvP game like Dota but Warframe cult almost so detail like PvP game and something may change to fill what player need. For Riven Stats, it's also can contain information about most used Riven, like In Ignis case, what people will use most, Critical Ignist or Status Ignist.
No_Quarter (已封禁) 2019 年 3 月 31 日 上午 1:00 
They show that data every once in a while on dev streams or some on prime time.

When you click on matchmaker chances are you will get at least one Saryn per match.
I really hope DE has some sense and that they won't let this go on for too long, Saryn makes every mission so boring as you almost never get to see enemies....

Her broken power level really ruins the game, Volt is also there, as well as Equinox.
All 3 can be good warframes without ruining the game....
r-kid 2019 年 3 月 31 日 上午 2:54 
They released some in August.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rxJW93u4Q_8IWqttHbr_IEvkYjkYVT-wnqCMRovwEA0/edit?usp=sharing


Though there were better representations created by the community at the time


JebKerman 2019 年 3 月 31 日 上午 3:47 
引用自 No_Quarter
They show that data every once in a while on dev streams or some on prime time.

When you click on matchmaker chances are you will get at least one Saryn per match.
I really hope DE has some sense and that they won't let this go on for too long, Saryn makes every mission so boring as you almost never get to see enemies....

Her broken power level really ruins the game, Volt is also there, as well as Equinox.
All 3 can be good warframes without ruining the game....
So, Thanos, what would you propose?

Though to input on the original topic, the public doesn't really get any benefit out of seeing these kinds of statistics, DE knows them, and can act on them, we can't.
最后由 JebKerman 编辑于; 2019 年 3 月 31 日 上午 3:49
8faiNt ı♣ı 2019 年 3 月 31 日 上午 3:56 
引用自 No_Quarter
They show that data every once in a while on dev streams or some on prime time.

When you click on matchmaker chances are you will get at least one Saryn per match.
I really hope DE has some sense and that they won't let this go on for too long, Saryn makes every mission so boring as you almost never get to see enemies....

Her broken power level really ruins the game, Volt is also there, as well as Equinox.
All 3 can be good warframes without ruining the game....
not sure how you can put volt and equinox to saryn tier but k.

neither volt or equinox strong enough by their self as saryn

not to say saryn scales and volt doesnt even have that much dmg output
as well as equinox depending on the team
so if you wanna delete every nuke warframe from game that's something. lets delete oberon, ember, ash, limbo, mag, octavia, frost, banshee, spiny boi and rhino too
maybe you could see enemy after we nerf like 20 warframe to the earth's core
from your logic
Watermelons 2019 年 3 月 31 日 上午 4:01 
引用自 Deekk
引用自 No_Quarter
They show that data every once in a while on dev streams or some on prime time.

When you click on matchmaker chances are you will get at least one Saryn per match.
I really hope DE has some sense and that they won't let this go on for too long, Saryn makes every mission so boring as you almost never get to see enemies....

Her broken power level really ruins the game, Volt is also there, as well as Equinox.
All 3 can be good warframes without ruining the game....
not sure how you can put volt and equinox to saryn tier but k.

neither volt or equinox strong enough by their self as saryn

not to say saryn scales and volt doesnt even have that much dmg output
as well as equinox depending on the team
so if you wanna delete every nuke warframe from game that's something. lets delete oberon, ember, ash, limbo, mag, octavia, frost, banshee, spiny boi and rhino too
maybe you could see enemy after we nerf like 20 warframe to the earth's core
from your logic


引用自 JebKerman
引用自 No_Quarter
They show that data every once in a while on dev streams or some on prime time.

When you click on matchmaker chances are you will get at least one Saryn per match.
I really hope DE has some sense and that they won't let this go on for too long, Saryn makes every mission so boring as you almost never get to see enemies....

Her broken power level really ruins the game, Volt is also there, as well as Equinox.
All 3 can be good warframes without ruining the game....
So, Thanos, what would you propose?

Though to input on the original topic, the public doesn't really get any benefit out of seeing these kinds of statistics, DE knows them, and can act on them, we can't.
Maybe if DE stuck to their guns on the whole "line of sight" shtick that they pushed onto many frames, then ♥♥♥♥♥♥' d r o p p e d with Saryn's rework, there'd be a slight semblence of balance. And reverting some of the nerfs they did to other frames, like killing Radial Javelin's damage.

Saryn's spores could at the very ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ least use enemy line of sight to connect to each other.
JebKerman 2019 年 3 月 31 日 上午 4:03 
引用自 JebKerman
So, Thanos, what would you propose?

Though to input on the original topic, the public doesn't really get any benefit out of seeing these kinds of statistics, DE knows them, and can act on them, we can't.
Maybe if DE stuck to their guns on the whole "line of sight" shtick that they pushed onto many frames, then ♥♥♥♥♥♥' d r o p p e d with Saryn's rework, there'd be a slight semblence of balance. And reverting some of the nerfs they did to other frames, like killing Radial Javelin's damage.

Saryn's spores could at the very ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ least use enemy line of sight to connect to each other.
Fair
pavig 2019 年 3 月 31 日 上午 4:16 
Frame usage isn’t about popularity or meta, it's about availability. Volt, Mag and Excalibur would be overrepresented in stays as starter frames, and any primes would be skewed by the vault cycle. Late game farms that don't scale high into late game content could be more popular if they were available earlier in game - eg. Gara, Baruuk, Revenant, etc.

So yeah meta stats make sense for games where you can choose any character equally, but in warframe there are too many factors outside pure game play preference which dictate popularity.
No_Quarter (已封禁) 2019 年 3 月 31 日 上午 4:32 
引用自 Deekk
not sure how you can put volt and equinox to saryn tier but k.

neither volt or equinox strong enough by their self as saryn

not to say saryn scales and volt doesnt even have that much dmg output
as well as equinox depending on the team
so if you wanna delete every nuke warframe from game that's something. lets delete oberon, ember, ash, limbo, mag, octavia, frost, banshee, spiny boi and rhino too
maybe you could see enemy after we nerf like 20 warframe to the earth's core
from your logic
Not all fixes are equal, Saryn needs a flat out nerf while Volt and Equinox do stand out from the crowd as well, Volt does too much damage compared to other warframes and Equinox's Maim is flat out broken - there are no reasons for it to deal Slash damage that also inflicts impact proc which makes any mission walk in the park as enemies are unable to respond to you. Because slash proc inflicts extended impact proc because ♥♥♥♥ balance..... While DEFENSIVE version of that ability does not stun enemies..... sounds balanced....
Remove damage inflicted by Maim and also the stun and you will get a full on jack of all trades warframe, as is she is 4 spammer's walking simulator.

Why doesn't Mend deal damage? Equinox is supposed to be jack of all trades, instead she is a 4 spammer's pleb toy that few in popularity after Ember's nerf. Even if you play Equinox without every using Maim she is strong but since Maim is broken then she is too.

Sure Saryn is likely the most game breaking but both Equinox and Volt still break the game, just because Saryn is worse than them does not give two of them a free pass, both Equinox and Volt scale insanely with damage which makes any other warframe that is not Saryn, Volt or Equinox kinda look bad.

Not to mention that Volt specifically is very prone to afk macro abuse.

引用自 JebKerman

Maybe if DE stuck to their guns on the whole "line of sight" shtick that they pushed onto many frames, then ♥♥♥♥♥♥' d r o p p e d with Saryn's rework, there'd be a slight semblence of balance. And reverting some of the nerfs they did to other frames, like killing Radial Javelin's damage.

Saryn's spores could at the very ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ least use enemy line of sight to connect to each other.
Fair
As he suggests that MAY help and is a good start but I doubt it would be enough, my suggestion would be to reduce base damage by a lot and how it escalates so people do not ignore ability strength in builds and go all in on range to spread the aids as fast as possible.

As is her output is not really related to ability strength, same goes for Equinox and I feel like making it more connected would make it better.
Sure ability strength DOES effect damage as is, but I say that in reality it does not because even with no ability strength you nuke anything regardless of levels.

So what needs to happen is that you need ability strength to gain decent base damage and multipliers.
That will remove Overextended from builds and hopefully require more brain to fight.

That is just one option tho.

They have deleted Banshee's ability to sit around and do nothing while wiping the map with excuse that they want to remove that kind of gameplay. Since then there are few warframes that still do the same exact thing and even one was introduced, Revenant.

So I hope DE has some idea what are they doing, if they are not nerfing stuff because they are scared of whining - you are scared of whining from people who use afk macros, who play like that and basically prevent any fun going on for other 3 members of their team, you are scared of whining of people who only know how to press 4 and nothing else in this game.

Anyone semi-good player sees how bad that is for the game, but truth is that around 2/3's of playerbase don't.
最后由 No_Quarter 编辑于; 2019 年 3 月 31 日 上午 4:35
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