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Why the hell are ephemeras so expensive?
I recently did a lucky and got 2 liches with ephemeras in a row, one of my friends wanted one of them due to a current bug with mirage+shock ephemera (Activates her damage buff when in darkness). I looked on trade chat and people are selling ephemeras for 100-200 plat, what the hell lmao. I quickly sold my toxin ephemera for 120plat.

Shell shock (the shotgun 60-60 mod) is only 50 plat despite being twice as rare. whaT?
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Messaggio originale di dale:
Messaggio originale di JebKerman:
It also takes a lot less time to do a run for Shell Shock. A Hive mission with all caches takes maybe 10 mins. Whereas cycling a Lich will take hours at least, I'd assume (I've not exactly been rushing through mine).
Shouldn't it be cheaper then? Because you're basically paying someone to give you work to do something.
No, because that person may have had to go through a dozen or more Liches to randomly roll one that has an ephemera. Considering that it takes at minimum a couple hours' worth of gameplay to kill one Lich, and the chance of one generating with an Ephemera is 10% (formerly 5%), it's a rare enough occurrence to justify a high price in many traders' opinions.
Messaggio originale di Mdgrim:
especially since they can just convert the ephemera lich they had bought sell it off again to make at least some of their money back.

That's not possible.


https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Kuva_Lich

A converted Lich can only be traded once. If the recipient converts their received Lich, it will not be tradeable.


i sold my trickster off for 300p and honestly i won't mind spending 300p on a shockwave ephemera because i know damn well i'm not gonna hunt liches with +impact
which of the ephemera are in demand?
Oh nice i got lucky and dropped shock ephemera, didnt know they're expensive
Welp
Yaaaayeeet!
There's only a 10% chance a Kuva Lich will be created with an ephemera, and before that it was 5%

Imagine how many hours and Kuva Liches you'd need to go through before you got a Kuva Lich ephemera on your own.
I sell each weapon below 55% for 100 (above that and it's 300), each common ephemera for 300, ice ephemera for 500 and sold the magnetic one for 1k (aka the rare one)

The reason for this is time, if you want something i own, you have to pay my time, my time that i used to farm for magnetic liches, which are a pain to sell regardless of % or price, even high % for free is unwanted, so when i got the ephemera, you had to pay the platinum as if i sold all the liches.
You can't really expect getting radiation liches, trade all of them, get an ephemera and then go into trade chat requesting a trade, of your radiation ephemera for a magnetic ephemera that someone farmed.

That is me, other players will value their time more or less, some sell for cheap and some even more expensive, what you must LEARN, is to respect other sellers, respect their pricing, don't lecture them and especially, don't make it public, no one likes players who are consistently trying to get things their way, you are not responsible for our game, WE are.

if you're weak then you lose the priviledge of getting the things you want, so either get to work and farm, in which case you're free to value your time for pennies, many will enjoy that and will use you to farm stuff for them, or get enough platinum in order to increase your budget to a point where you can actually afford them.
Ultima modifica da KIREEK; 5 dic 2019, ore 15:39
honestly i can't wait for warframe.market to add it into their database and watch the price for toxin, radiation, heat and electric ephemeras dip into 100~ since there's quite a bit of them in the market at the moment.
impact and magnetic might be able to retain their price a bit longer but general opinion seems that the impact feels underwhelming and magnetic is just plain ugly
Messaggio originale di SirSlapAlot:
... impact feels underwhelming ...
Would you say it ... lacks impact?
Ultima modifica da JebKerman; 5 dic 2019, ore 16:10
I would say 100plat isnt enough
1/10 chance and takes 2-3 hours to kill each lich
might as well be more than 600p or so since the time you waste on those things are magnificent but yeah because some ppl dont understand those elements price will fall which I dont even mind since its really tedious to farm liches already
Ultima modifica da 8faiNt ı♣ı; 5 dic 2019, ore 19:54
Messaggio originale di MystMan:
Messaggio originale di Mdgrim:
especially since they can just convert the ephemera lich they had bought sell it off again to make at least some of their money back.

That's not possible.


https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Kuva_Lich

A converted Lich can only be traded once. If the recipient converts their received Lich, it will not be tradeable.

Oof, fair enough, I did not know that. Well, still my other points besides that apply :p I just got really lucky with the Shockwave drop, I sure as hell didn't want an impact boosted weapon lol
Messaggio originale di dale:
I recently did a lucky and got 2 liches with ephemeras in a row, one of my friends wanted one of them due to a current bug with mirage+shock ephemera (Activates her damage buff when in darkness). I looked on trade chat and people are selling ephemeras for 100-200 plat, what the hell lmao. I quickly sold my toxin ephemera for 120plat.

Shell shock (the shotgun 60-60 mod) is only 50 plat despite being twice as rare. whaT?
Why humanz be greedy?


Well, essentially it’s twofold. The first part is that some people have a scarcity mentality-that there’s not enough of something to go around so it’s more valuable than something that is plentiful. They’re the same kinds of people that would do war profiteering if they could. Jack up the price of something that isn’t widely available for any number of reasons to justify the horrible things they’re doing.

The second part is that some people think the value of something in inherently related to the number of people who also have it. The more people who have it, the less rare it is and therefore the less special and unique it feels to them. They’re the kind of people who not only think along the lines of: “♥♥♥♥ you, I got mine-now go get your own” but will actively try to make it harder for you to do just that. They want to make it harder for people to get it that way fewer people have it and they feel more special.


Some people are just plain greedy. They have a compulsive desire for an endless amount of: “more”. Doesn’t matter too much to them what they get “more” of so long as they get “more” and they have “more” than others they feel or want to feel superior to.
i don't know if it's fair to compare it to legendary cores but it sort of make sense
legendary cores almost never drop unless DE just gives them out to everyone but before that it was 300-350p. now compare that to a lich ephemera. lich ephemeras chances can be rolled every 2-3 hours with a 10% drop rate. Other than the ephemera, junk lich weapons can be sold for a small profit. Now a sortie can only be done once a day so i'll count that as a 24 hour cool down. Do you know notice how ephemera's aren't as rare and as expensive as people think? I do agree that shockwave and pull should go for atleast 50% higher than the other ephemeras though
At first i thought you brought quite the bad example. But no, you actually brought a really good one.

Legendary Cores are not priced by "DE only gives them out every once in a while", and not by their incredible rare chance at Sorties (With literally hundreds of Sorties ive only seen it once). Otherwise they would be incredible expensive- unless DE gives them out like candy like they did recently with the patch. At which point their price would plummet into next to nothing. But the later didnt happen neither:

Legendary Cores are valued for what they do, fill a mod -> any mod -> the most expensive mods (primed/Umbra mods) completely to the brim. Their price is their endo and credit value. This stabilizes them by binding them to the comparably stable price of said mods. If Cores become too expensive compared to that people stop bying cores and buy the mods or filled Ayatans directly, if they are too cheap compared to that people buy cores and fill a stock of mods to sell. Supply and Demand are being balanced automatically within a...still quite large range given that Cores are a bit more "convenient", which is always a bit difficult to price and its quite the big pro for cores given that Umbra mods aint tradeable. But- upper and lower soft caps are in place.

And selling maxed primed mods is what people (like me :P) explicitely do to gain platinum. As is farming shell shock, which is the very reason why Ember is among my most used Warframes. But lets keep it at cores:

To do so without a core, which is the more often used variant of Arbitrations and Index runs, the equivalent of one core takes a tiny bit longer than ONE Kuva Lich attempt. Lets say you are being slow and its...about two attempts. Of an average of 10 needed.

With cores being priced about as high as Epheremas, this means the epheremas aint priced as "farm for platinum" good. Not by the time invested. And both need round about the same level of equipment (farming Shell Shock needs considerably less). So they are way, WAY cheaper. About 1/5th of that. Comparing those Epheremas with Legendary Cores the price of an epherema would be more in the range of a fully ranked Arcane Energize.

Their price is "i am farming the weapons anyways and got lucky enough to get an additional epherema to sell" vs. the demand on them, largely build by lazy people with some platinum and loosely bound to "well, they are probably as neat as a premium skin" ;)
Ultima modifica da Yuki; 6 dic 2019, ore 8:09
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