"Great community" my♥♥♥♥♥

[Buster7]

Frankly,

I have no idea where the so called self-proclaimed "Great Community" reputation everyone keeps talking about comes from.

Ever since I have started this game have had more toxic interactions with other players then positive ones.

Just started the game about 2 weeks ago. Love the game, love the lore, love the story.

But "Great community" is one BIG exageration.

I guess "Great community" = "Well... It's not as bad as call of duty or Overwatch"?

Honestly, it's bad enough that I prefer to run missions solo to avoid the risk of having peole♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥on my choice of warframes, bashing me for making an honest mistake, or not getting to the extract point at the micro second they want to. What kind of "great community" discourages playing co-op to avoid this?

Yes. This is a rant. And I don't care.

Tired of seeing youtubers, and forum posts stating how "amazing' Warframe's community is. When honestly, "Not the worste of the worste" communities is a more accurate. description of what social interactions in this game boils down to.

Yes I had great social interactions in this game, but these are more the exception then they are the rule.

Please stop saying that the community is great. It's not. At least, not anymore.

* -EDIT- I admit that my original post seems very agressive to the community and I apologies (Not going to edit the orginal message). But please understand that I wrote it in a state of extreme frustration. I may have unintentionally painted the entire community with a negative brush and that was not my intent. Sorry. I only meant to say that toxic behavior (Specially with high end content and higher MR) is very much present and that while the warframe community is FAR from the worse... It's not as 'perfect' as some people make it sound. Toxicity is VERY much a thing in this game (like most online games). Trying to put the community on a pedestal doesn't do the game any favors as you create high expectations for new players and when they start hitting higher MR content, the cracks start to appear.

[JefTheReaper]

Its not a lie, you are just late to the party.
I started playing this game 2 years ago and everyone was always helpful to a newb like me, teaching me the ropes.
Then I started getting higher up myself and started helping newer players too, and they were equally polite for learning the new lessons.

Then Plains of Eidolon rolled out, and many more people started joining the community, along with all the twerps and trolls with it.

Now new players get insulted, while new twerps start insulting long time players, acting as if they know better how the game is played, along with ignoring all the lessons they are given.
Missing out on tons of loot, exp or otherwise rare stuff due to them being just plain stuborn.

This USED to be a great community, the best if I should be frank.
But that all went to hell thanks to the game becoming more populair, luring in the people who never learned manners, decensy or common sense as well.

Its a real shame, I can't say more then that really.
I miss just having a fun conversation that did not turn toxic, while also learning a new player something witouth them acting snobby, demanding to be revived while they never bother helping anyone themselves.

[Hursti]

500+ h in, 2-3 times i've seen type of behaviour OP is describing.

and, who cares? its not like they can affect you in any way. its purely (well, not purely, but pretty much no ones playing the pvp in this game so) co-op game, so again - who cares if some snotty nosed kiddo starts cursing you?

[LMIB]

The game’s still really enjoyable and you’re gonna run into groups that genuinely fun. I joined a public group to kill the acolyte stalker, and we ended up staying together as a group for a good 30 mins just farming the acolyte mods, and they were actually pretty damn funny. Even after acquiring the rare mod, we stayed for a few more games and ended up adding each other hoping to play again soon. It’s not always bad.

[moot criminal]

I think there's a block user feature that mutes their chat stuff. As for players that expect-- nay demand metagaming, those "1337 pro gamers" can be real pests with their demands to change your loadout to match their playstyle. That being said, the same thing goes for nihilistic antisocialites that use whatever they feel like using; oftentimes with weapons and frames that have more giggle factor than practical use. It seems to me like there's more than one community within the warframe fandom, and while members of like communities get along swimmingly, toxicity blooms whenever members of different communities collide.

I've definately seen both the toxic side of the community and the great community you were told about, usually depending on either my willingness to cater to the needs of others or their allowance of my own playstyle. In the end, all you can do is block toxic players and try to find non-toxic players to hang out with.

[JefTheReaper]

Publicado originalmente por humej96:

I think there's a block user feature that mutes their chat stuff. As for players that expect-- nay demand metagaming, those "1337 pro gamers" can be real pests with their demands to change your loadout to match their playstyle. That being said, the same thing goes for nihilistic antisocialites that use whatever they feel like using; oftentimes with weapons and frames that have more giggle factor than practical use. It seems to me like there's more than one community within the warframe fandom, and while members of like communities get along swimmingly, toxicity blooms whenever members of different communities collide.

I've definately seen both the toxic side of the community and the great community you were told about, usually depending on either my willingness to cater to the needs of others or their allowance of my own playstyle. In the end, all you can do is block toxic players and try to find non-toxic players to hang out with.

Man I really hate Meta, tough to be fair with the Eidolon hunt, that one is on DE and not the players.
Those things are tough as rocks, there is no way you can kill all 3 in a single night unless you have a meta build with godly rivens.
(and I hate that, I just want to be able to bring down those three in a single night with just my favorite frames and builds)

[Saul Panzer]

Since 2013 I can only think of one genuinely crappy person I've met, loads of people who don't want to talk, are frustrated with a mechanic or skip out mid-mission but that's any online game if you're realistic.
You definitely get the elitists whining about frame X or Y, or a new player doing something dumb without realising it but again..join any online game and you find people doing the same thing.

Also consider that sometimes they're trying to help just not in a helpful way. e.g:
..using life-support drops immediately when you're already at 99%, it hurts the team in the long run.
..running into spy mission vaults without knowing what you're doing, fails missions a lot.

Common newb errors that will annoy a lot of people really fast but they rarely explain why as it's a daily sight for some of us. Usually asking in chat will prompt a vet to explain things or offer to run you through it a few times.

Outside of StarWarsGalaxies, Warframe has had my favourite community.

[just.]

I don't understand why people express how great this community is. It's really just like any other. Usually when I'm on clan or region chat its people complaining what warframes or mods people use in a sortie or spy mission. Or blaming teamate cause they failed a mission. The main reason people are "nicer" is cause this is a PvE game.

[Buster7]

Wow. Ok I did not expect this to be still going after waking up this morning.

And boy, the animosity towards me is palpalable lol. I guess I had it coming with the title of my post.

Anyways, as I said in edit in my original post and I'm saying it here again as hopefully my last post.

I am sorry If I made it sound that the entire warframe community is bad. That was an exageration on my part and it was out of anger (We all had bad days, don't pretend that you never said something you regreted later).

That's why I didn't edit the original post or it's title as I want to own that mistake as I reminder for myself that I should calm myself down before posting anything.

But man oh man.... There are some juicy posts in here. Not the ones disagreeing with me. But the ones telling to go ♥♥♥♥ myself?

Wow... Ok. I mean you do know that comments like these kinda proves my point right? Who's the real snow flake here if you feel the need to lash out on people like just because they say something about your precious game?

For those who had constructive critism (for or against me) thanks for taking the time to respond. For the rest... Yeah, you're kinda proving my point that there are bad apples in this game.

[Dr. Atrocious]

You're not at all wrong about this community and the responses to this thread shows it.

[Omnipresent Oatmeal]

Publicado originalmente por ℛaveÐƵ:

You're not at all wrong about this community

Except he is wrong, to a certain degree.
The large majority of toxic players are either arrogant veterans (that worship the meta and god forbid someone not know everything about the game) or arrogant novices (that started two days ago, have no clue what they're doing, but still think they're hot ♥♥♥♥).

The large majority of players do not care what you do, what frame you run, how you play, what weapons you use, etc. unless you actively cause the mission to fail either through sheer incompetence or intentionally causing it to fail.

For example, if you go into a Sortie without knowing basic game mechanics and then cause the mission to fail as a result of that lack of knowledge, the average player will be justifiably annoyed.

[Buster7]

Publicado originalmente por Omnipresent Oatmeal:

Publicado originalmente por ℛaveÐƵ:

You're not at all wrong about this community

Except he is wrong, to a certain degree.
The large majority of toxic players are either arrogant veterans (that worship the meta and god forbid someone not know everything about the game) or arrogant novices (that started two days ago, have no clue what they're doing, but still think they're hot ♥♥♥♥).

The large majority of players do not care what you do, what frame you run, how you play, what weapons you use, etc. unless you actively cause the mission to fail either through sheer incompetence or intentionally causing it to fail.

For example, if you go into a Sortie without knowing basic game mechanics and then cause the mission to fail as a result of that lack of knowledge, the average player will be justifiably annoyed.

Ok, but there is very thick line between being annoyed and acting like a total douche bag.

As I said, in my case I simply didn't know that you couldn't use ciphers on sorties. I fail to see how its unreasonable to believe that a player who has never done a Spy sortie mission before would not be aware of this and caught off guard. I/m a bit Dyslexic see, and so hacking is really not my thing. Yes, I am very bad at it. I'm sure I'm not the first one to have learned this the hard way.

At some point, experienced players have to realise that even with hundreds of hours in, we can still experience things for the first time. And we can still have a lot to learn.

With that being said, I perfectly understand the frustration. Which is why I immediatly apologised to them. That should have been the end of it. And it wasn't.

My only regret is that I made it sound like I think everyone in warframe is this way. And that was wrong of me of doing so.

But no amount of 'annoyance' can justify some behaviors.

[Ash]

Publicado originalmente por Buster7:

Publicado originalmente por Omnipresent Oatmeal:

Except he is wrong, to a certain degree.
The large majority of toxic players are either arrogant veterans (that worship the meta and god forbid someone not know everything about the game) or arrogant novices (that started two days ago, have no clue what they're doing, but still think they're hot ♥♥♥♥).

The large majority of players do not care what you do, what frame you run, how you play, what weapons you use, etc. unless you actively cause the mission to fail either through sheer incompetence or intentionally causing it to fail.

For example, if you go into a Sortie without knowing basic game mechanics and then cause the mission to fail as a result of that lack of knowledge, the average player will be justifiably annoyed.

Ok, but there is very thick line between being annoyed and acting like a total douche bag.

As I said, in my case I simply didn't know that you couldn't use ciphers on sorties. I fail to see how its unreasonable to believe that a player who has never done a Spy sortie mission before would not be aware of this and caught off guard. I/m a bit Dyslexic see, and so hacking is really not my thing. Yes, I am very bad at it. I'm sure I'm not the first one to have learned this the hard way.

At some point, experienced players have to realise that even with hundreds of hours in, we can still experience things for the first time. And we can still have a lot to learn.

With that being said, I perfectly understand the frustration. Which is why I immediatly apologised to them. That should have been the end of it. And it wasn't.

My only regret is that I made it sound like I think everyone in warframe is this way. And that was wrong of me of doing so.

But no amount of 'annoyance' can justify some behaviors.

[Jaynoble55]

Publicado originalmente por Buster7:

Frankly,

I have no idea where the so called self-proclaimed "Great Community" reputation everyone keeps talking about comes from.

Ever since I have started this game have had more toxic interactions with other players then positive ones.

Just started the game about 2 weeks ago. Love the game, love the lore, love the story.

But "Great community" is one BIG exageration.

I guess "Great community" = "Well... It's not as bad as call of duty or Overwatch"?

Honestly, it's bad enough that I prefer to run missions solo to avoid the risk of having peole♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥on my choice of warframes, bashing me for making an honest mistake, or not getting to the extract point at the micro second they want to. What kind of "great community" discourages playing co-op to avoid this?

Yes. This is a rant. And I don't care.

Tired of seeing youtubers, and forum posts stating how "amazing' Warframe's community is. When honestly, "Not the worste of the worste" communities is a more accurate. description of what social interactions in this game boils down to.

Yes I had great social interactions in this game, but these are more the exception then they are the rule.

Please stop saying that the community is great. It's not. At least, not anymore.

* -EDIT- I admit that my original post seems very agressive to the community and I apologies (Not going to edit the orginal message). But please understand that I wrote it in a state of extreme frustration. I may have unintentionally painted the entire community with a negative brush and that was not my intent. Sorry. I only meant to say that toxic behavior (Specially with high end content and higher MR) is very much present and that while the warframe community is FAR from the worse... It's not as 'perfect' as some people make it sound. Toxicity is VERY much a thing in this game (like most online games). Trying to put the community on a pedestal doesn't do the game any favors as you create high expectations for new players and when they start hitting higher MR content, the cracks start to appear.

Yep. You are right. Even the youtubers who cover warframe are toxic (AGGP and possibly Mogamu if you followed the RevxDev drama of yesteryear.). And if you happen to go to the offical forums be prepared for a balls out SJW forum moderation team to ban you for saying Nezha is a trap (yes its a bad joke...but please...).

I have been playing warframe since closed beta. I play solo 99% of the time. And it is for two reasons. Those are that the game is so damn trivial in a group and the other being that the community is mostly trash in the PuG scene.

[Sky Flare]

The WF community has been the exact opposite of toxic towards me.

Now, I'm the kind who mutes everyone right off the bat when I play online competitive games such as LoL/OW because I'd rather not deal with idiots bickering and focus on the game itself, but in WF that never happened. Throughout around 1000 hours of gameplay over 5 years (most of which using the non-steam client) I've only met about 3 toxic dudes. One obvious troll and 2 people who were misinformed about game mechanics (one of them was yelling at me because I was using ember and ignis built for heat damage, which according to the guy leaves no corpse for nekros to desecrate, which isn't true but that didn't stop him from yelling at me and extract early). I was never yelled at for not doing something correctly and believe me, I've been in games where I died non stop.

However I've never been in a situation like yours since I usually go solo and/or watch gameplay of whatever I'm trying to attempt before I go in with randoms, because I don't like being dead weight (not saying that you were). But then again I found a team who were willing to carry an MR3 through LoR (when that was a thing) with no issues.

If you found someone who went out of their way to insult you in PMs after a failed mission, then you ought to be extremely unlucky. Either that, or european players are the only ones who're nice and you play on another region.

[Franss the Coffee Addict]

Publicado originalmente por Omnipresent Oatmeal:

Publicado originalmente por ℛaveÐƵ:

You're not at all wrong about this community

Except he is wrong, to a certain degree.
The large majority of toxic players are either arrogant veterans (that worship the meta and god forbid someone not know everything about the game) or arrogant novices (that started two days ago, have no clue what they're doing, but still think they're hot ♥♥♥♥).

The large majority of players do not care what you do, what frame you run, how you play, what weapons you use, etc. unless you actively cause the mission to fail either through sheer incompetence or intentionally causing it to fail.

For example, if you go into a Sortie without knowing basic game mechanics and then cause the mission to fail as a result of that lack of knowledge, the average player will be justifiably annoyed.

But when you join ESO with me, jump to the safest spot in the map, don't engage enemies and don't contribute to team in any way, is straight up leeching. Saying you have weapons at rank 0 is invalid because you don't even bother engaging targets in first place. OR joining in Cetus bounties and not even going to bounty areas.