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Buster7 2018 年 8 月 11 日 下午 7:43
"Great community" my♥♥♥♥♥
Frankly,

I have no idea where the so called self-proclaimed "Great Community" reputation everyone keeps talking about comes from.

Ever since I have started this game have had more toxic interactions with other players then positive ones.

Just started the game about 2 weeks ago. Love the game, love the lore, love the story.

But "Great community" is one BIG exageration.

I guess "Great community" = "Well... It's not as bad as call of duty or Overwatch"?

Honestly, it's bad enough that I prefer to run missions solo to avoid the risk of having peole♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥on my choice of warframes, bashing me for making an honest mistake, or not getting to the extract point at the micro second they want to. What kind of "great community" discourages playing co-op to avoid this?

Yes. This is a rant. And I don't care.

Tired of seeing youtubers, and forum posts stating how "amazing' Warframe's community is. When honestly, "Not the worste of the worste" communities is a more accurate. description of what social interactions in this game boils down to.

Yes I had great social interactions in this game, but these are more the exception then they are the rule.

Please stop saying that the community is great. It's not. At least, not anymore.

* -EDIT- I admit that my original post seems very agressive to the community and I apologies (Not going to edit the orginal message). But please understand that I wrote it in a state of extreme frustration. I may have unintentionally painted the entire community with a negative brush and that was not my intent. Sorry. I only meant to say that toxic behavior (Specially with high end content and higher MR) is very much present and that while the warframe community is FAR from the worse... It's not as 'perfect' as some people make it sound. Toxicity is VERY much a thing in this game (like most online games). Trying to put the community on a pedestal doesn't do the game any favors as you create high expectations for new players and when they start hitting higher MR content, the cracks start to appear.
最后由 Buster7 编辑于; 2018 年 8 月 11 日 下午 8:52
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BossGalaga 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 5:42 
引用自 Buster7
Like I said, I had one mistake (not knowing that ciphers couldn't be used in sorties). Immediatly apologies for it. Didn't try to make excuses. I said I was really sorry and explained why I made the mistake. I think a player like you would have probably said 'Ok no worries, but be carefull next time.' And give me some advice (Or not).

Instead, they spammed the squad chat calling me a looser and a noob and one even continued for a while in /w.

Yeah man, no... Not going to back off and say that my frustration and anger is not warranted. I regret painting the entire community with such a large negative stroke. As I am sure that my experience was not representative of the bigger picture.

But yeah... No. Not going to apologies for talking about an ugly side to warframe.

Sorry if that hurts some people 'perfect' view of the game and its community.

If you just started playing Warframe two weeks ago as you claimed in your first post and you're already doing sorties then it sounds like people have been too nice to you. It sounds like you've been on the receiving end of some taxis and you're not prepared for sorties yet.

It's one thing to get carried on normal missions but people do tend to not take kindly to players who don't know what they're doing on higher level missions like sorties. It's referred to as leeching and it's generally frowned upon unless some clan mates or a private party has agreed to carry you.
Omnipresent Oatmeal 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 5:52 
引用自 Buster7
Honestly, it's bad enough that I prefer to run missions solo to avoid the risk of having peole♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥on my choice of warframes, bashing me for making an honest mistake, or not getting to the extract point at the micro second they want to. What kind of "great community" discourages playing co-op to avoid this?
Warframe isn't discouraging people from co-op.
You're discouraging yourself from co-op by being a thin-skinned moron that puts too much stock in the opinions of random people in a video game.

Anyone that actually wants to enjoy the game isn't going to give a solitary ♥♥♥♥ about whatever it is you're doing in the mission, as long as you aren't going around causing the mission to fail.
最后由 Omnipresent Oatmeal 编辑于; 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 5:52
[88th] ColPresumptuous 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 5:57 
Its funny but i could fill half a single a3 sheet of paper with issues ive had in chat in missions or else where with people ingame... with a single line per issue... and thats in the 4+ years ive been playing and 3000+ hours.

I still cant figure out how some people seem to draw in these toxic players to themselves. I must just be lucky.
BossGalaga 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 5:58 
引用自 Omnipresent Oatmeal
Anyone that actually wants to enjoy the game isn't going to give a solitary ♥♥♥♥ about whatever it is you're doing in the mission, as long as you aren't going around causing the mission to fail.

Actually according to OP, he basically was in a sortie, failed a hack because he thought he could just use a cipher, and has only been playing for two weeks, information that would have been good to know from the beginning of the thread and would certainly account for why people were so "toxic" towards him.

Also, for OP, grineer hacking is just a reaction game. For Corpus hacking, you start from the outside, turn all the outside pieces inward, connecting to each other and then flip the middle piece last until it fits. There's a youtube tutorial below, which progresses to the more advanced stages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=murWHAYTd_8
最后由 BossGalaga 编辑于; 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 6:21
Dai 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 6:19 
引用自 Buster7
引用自 ❄Daitetsu
If that is what you want to believe then be my guest. Regular missions give you an idea what the basic gist of how to do the mission and the tileset. You can then on your own choose to practice hacking by repeating the same spy missions over and over to get an idea of the shortcuts and how to do them.

You can also ask yourself basic questions, such as: What would make this mission type easier to do? I know how the mission type works and what to do but what frames can make it easier? What would be a tool fit for this job?

Interception enemies capture control points and your goal is to get 100% then perhaps you want to use Crowd Control (CC) so that enemies don't take over capture points and you can just easily sit there using something like a Nova or a Nyx, Survival which is about keeping your life support up while also killing enemies so I might want to bring a Nekros to help with life support drops, etc.

When it comes to sortie missions for the most part like Rescue, Spy, etc that don't involve killing enemies the only thing that matters mostly is mobility and focusing on the objectives which you can LEARN from doing normal missions to practice.

I did nothing but practice and practice until I knew I could do certain mission types in sorties without failing them and the same went for hacking when I was at your MR. Of course, while also upgrading my mods so I can use them to better myself.

While, practice doesn't make you fully sortie ready (you still need to get a base grip of the game mechanics and modding too) it can help a lot in the long run.

As I said, you do you.

But If may give an analoly.

Being able to drive a car, doesn't make you a formula one race. Nor does it mean that you can win a race by driving a Cargo van. While at its core, the action of driving is the same. The requirements are not. The skill cieling and car required for the job are different.

Like wise, you may know what to do for a spy mission. But you might not know that the way you use to do it and what the warframe you used back then is not good enough anymore.

Yes, it is expected that you learn. But you, an professional. Should also expect a new player to make mistake and not be prepared.
You are trying to give sorties too much credit, they don't even really have a "skill" ceiling, at all. It is more of a know what tool to bring to fit that type of job and know how to do those mission types in general sort of thing but for things like Spy it is plenty possible to take a non-stealth frame and do them, if you have practiced doing the normal node before and knowing what shortcuts to take.

I don't expect anyone to be perfect because everyone does make mistakes and no where am anywhere close to being a "professional" but I at least have some expectations of the person who got to sortie level to at least understand the basic mechanics of the game and mission types. Hanuke made a good point earlier about training for them in his earlier post. You can also do Nightmare missions since they have a random condition and have stronger enemies to practice, as well.
最后由 Dai 编辑于; 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 7:04
Apollomere 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 6:34 
引用自 Buster7
引用自 BossGalaga

It sounds a lot like you're getting the attitude that you're giving.
Fair enough, and I already adressed this in an EDIT paragraph at the end of my original response.

Title was uncalled for. And I regret doing it. However, I chose not to edit the title or original post and own my mistake.

This however, does not change my position on what I was trying to say.
Just unsub from this thread and keep playing man :P
FALLENV3GAS 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 7:28 
引用自 Buster7
引用自 FALLENV3GAS
True, just looking at the majority of free 2 play games, I don't think there are many that aren't filled with awful fanbases.

Warframe does indeed have one of the few playerbases that go out to help new players. Personally I'm still in the process of creating a fully researched Dojo where my aim is the majority of members are going to be newbies while the rest of the members will be people to help them progress.

I have never denied the fact that the warframe community is very welcoming to new players. I'm not taking that away from the game.

But to deny that their an 'elitist' attitude as you get to the end game is really not doing anyone any favors. No, this isn't the majority of the player base but it's not a one in a dozen case either.

A community is only trully tested when a competitive factor is involved. You have to be a complete douche to not be nice to a MR 2 plauer. Not so much to a Mr7 + player that you expect to have a certain set of mods, a certain warframe, for a certain situation.

Just because the early game experience is welcoming, doesn't mean that toxicity grows as end game content finally introduces a competitive and elitist aspect (something that is absent early game)

Warframe does have plenty of those. If what I'm saying bothers you. Suit yourself. It's just my opinion after all.

I didn't deny that. My first comment on your topic.

引用自 FALLENV3GAS
No idea why people think just because a game has a 'great community' that you aren't going to run into a few idiots. Like any community, there is always some toxicity, that's just people for you. No matter how small or large said community is.

'But to deny that their an 'elitist' attitude as you get to the end game is really not doing anyone any favors. No, this isn't the majority of the player base but it's not a one in a dozen case either.'

What end game? Warframe doesn't really have any.

'If what I'm saying bothers you. Suit yourself. It's just my opinion after all.'

I just commented on the topic...
... so for you to assume it 'bothers' me is baffling when this is a area for different opinions. The clear attempt at passive aggression isn't helping your case either.
Wraith 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:05 
Well, I'm sorry about that dude. I never, ever, had any issue with Warframe community...
I messed up so many spy missions, rescue ones and I'm usually the last one to reach extraction (cause I'm always getting lost haha)... Looks like we play different games, but I guess some people get lucky and others don't.
Are you playing in NA?
azmuth 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:11 
I only have around 192 hrs in the game....which is probably a very small amount of time compared to Warframe veterans. While I don't feel the online (in-game) community is all that great....I feel the forum community is top notch.

Part of the reason I feel the in game one kinda sux community wise is because the chat doesnt seem to have enough tabs to accommidate all the seperate needs of the in game community. Many other MMO I have played (well the better ones) had tabs like: new player and help...to suppliment the region,local, trade and party channels. Most of the time you kinda get talked over in chat ..... your questions get lost because there are so many questions that need a special channel for. Your questions get swamped over and probably not seen.

As far as the people participating in the missions...yeah, most of them wanna speed thru them at mega-light speed; which sux if you need elements of the mission. I personally try to do the mish first by my self to get what I personally need and then with ppl whenever possible.Most though... if you lag behind while doing the mish...they just leave the team (whether it was a good team or not).
最后由 azmuth 编辑于; 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:17
Warthain 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:22 
引用自 ❄Daitetsu
Just because you experience some toxicity doesn't mean that the whole community should be shunned. Warframe's community in general is actually pretty damn nice and helpful to new players, not even spoiling story quests for them when some others would ruin the experience for them. Just like any other place on the internet there is bound to be toxic players somewhere.

Perhaps you are just unlucky to have run into them quite a bit more than most and that sucks to hear that, but I have made quite a lot of friends from just random matches or just trading in general.

Yep not all the community is toxic, only most of the veteran players ...
i can attest to seeing mr 25 players bashing on new players for not being fast enough getting to the end of a mission.

I myself can say ive been persecuted non stop in conclave by a mr25 player with 160000 kills like he said he had, because i chose a noob frame he and his friend didnt like to play against and proceeded to gang up on me even though is a ffa match, just to grief me to oblivion while insulting me at the same time for being a noob and more... reason for this, i killed him 2 times and he didnt like it, it ruined his perfect 25-0 score... and the only thing i did was copy his build from the previous match, the noob frame and weapon he used... hypocrite and toxic...

Veteran players in warframe go out of their way to bash people down, specialy new players, for not being has good has they are, and not being up to their standards...
最后由 Warthain 编辑于; 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:24
LMIB 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 8:56 
I thought this discussion ended long ago. It's still going? Wow.
DarkWolf 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 9:33 
150 hours, and I've never had any problems with the community
Darasuum 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 9:42 
Never had a toxic experience 166 hours in. Play the game. Don't play Limbo. You'll be fine lol.
raulzera 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 9:44 
lmfao, you are a new player, you are lying if you think people are picking on your choice of warframes, because you only have one or two anyway, and i played LOKI (yes, a STARTER FRAME) for 3 months, and NO ONE, i mean NO ONE EVER, said to me "loki sucks", no one ever been toxic to me in this game, EVER, so im treating this post as a troll, or you being toxic yourself, peace
FALLENV3GAS 2018 年 8 月 12 日 上午 9:58 
引用自 raul >
lmfao, you are a new player, you are lying if you think people are picking on your choice of warframes, because you only have one or two anyway, and i played LOKI (yes, a STARTER FRAME) for 3 months, and NO ONE, i mean NO ONE EVER, said to me "loki sucks", no one ever been toxic to me in this game, EVER, so im treating this post as a troll, or you being toxic yourself, peace
To be fair, Loki is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ amazing.
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