Murmur Grind

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Are people ok with the insanely boring lich murmur grind? and the sheer amount of thralls you need to kill to get the murmurs? not to mention the spawn chance of lich resets all the way to 0 when you fail a parazon stab, from furious to indifferent instantly. just way

[Pakaku]

It is a very flawed system. However, it's the only system we have, and I acknowledge what I'm getting myself into by starting a Lich.

Some of the weapons are worth the monotony, but I won't be putting myself through it just for something like a Kuva Kraken unless there are some serious reworks to the grind

[peppermint hollows]

Shazbot!님이 먼저 게시:

ReddyDisco님이 먼저 게시:

Are people ok with the insanely boring lich murmur grind?

Nope, and DE ignores any sort of feedback except reddit hugbox posts.

Dunno about that in this case, Reddit has been ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard about Liches since day one.

[The Big Brzezinski]

The trick I learned is to only level your lich when you're ready to try part of the requiem sequence. Do all the non-annoying missions (i.e. not hijack, defense, intercept, etc), learn a mod, and try sticking it in the lich. If it works, great, now hit him again. If not, move the mod a slot to the right. Either way, the lich levels and new non-annoying missions will open up. You never actually finish a planet, as that would level the lich for free. Every level it gains should take it a step closer to death.

You are the hunter. They are the prey. THAT'S how this works.

[Walrus-Sama]

No.

I don't want to spent 2-3 hours grinding murmur missions just waiting for some stupid fodder enemy to spawn just to stab them and get like 1% lich progress.

It feels like the game is intentionally wasting my time.

[PhellAsleep]

I think the system was balanced around constantly taking a lich out when it spawns. I used to try and farm murmurs before trying to take on a lich. But after I figured out that even attempting a lich stab gives a large 10-20% progress chunk, I've changed my target from farming murmurs to farming the lich agro, to spawn and stab the Lich directly. That changed my farm speed from 1 to 2 days per lich, to 2-3 liches per day.

Of course, the prerequisite for that means you need to be able to kill a ranked up lich, which I am able to, but realize other players may not.

[peppermint hollows]

Shazbot!님이 먼저 게시:

peppermint hollows님이 먼저 게시:

Dunno about that in this case, Reddit has been ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard about Liches since day one.

Yeah go to r/warframe front page and tell me what you see. Yeah, it's le memes and captura/floof posts, very bitching indeed.

Those aren't feedback posts, though. If you're talking specifically about feedback posts, then no, I haven't seen anyone praising the liches wherever you go - not on reddit, on steam, nor on the official forums.

[Wanderer]

When was the update that added the new weapons. I hadn't done a lich since that day. Today I tried for a bit but need a break as it is very repetitive and makes me sleepy.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Donitsi님이 먼저 게시:

VERY few is fine with it. I want more depth to the system. We're doing exactly the same, regular missions, nothing has changed except enemy is always the Grineer and their level starts at 50.

Why can't there be three challenge missions (One mission per Requiem mod) that fill Murmur meter by 50% or 100%. You can select Challenge Mission from the tab where you select Kuva missions. I suggested that for example Spy mission with a lot more challenge:

-Each hacked data (A, B and C) fills one Requiem Murmur by 33%, in total 100%
-If enemy activates the alarm, whole place goes in lockdown and your Lich attacks (Just like with Stalker, yes). If you guess Requiem mod right, Lich will escape and you may continue the mission.
-If player leaves or fails the mission in any means the challenge mission will be lost and you have to try the other challenges that are left or farm Murmur the way we do right now.

But I don't know what others want. People talk about painful grind but do not suggest changes to make it fun.

Oy, that's too challenging for the WF community.

My suggestion to give them enough challenge: open the game -> fill all 3 murmur slots.

Still might be a bit too hard for some, but I'm sure they won't die.

[^3Tinkles]

8faiNt님이 먼저 게시:

ReddyDisco님이 먼저 게시:

Are people ok

no

This is true.
It's also true that many (including myself) have been up and down reddit/official forums/steam forums saying that the murmur grind isn't fun. Among other things.

No_Quarter님이 먼저 게시:

1) Lich spawn rate sucks, I do not feel I am fighting a Lich.

You're basically bullying the kuva liches kids, until the lich comes out, then you smack them around too to eventually do it all over again. Quite boring, and repetitive. Considering you're doing these missions not for the mission rewards (because there aren't any) but to farm murmurs. If they scaled rewards on kuva controlled territory that'd be a nice start.

peppermint hollows님이 먼저 게시:

Shazbot!님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah go to r/warframe front page and tell me what you see. Yeah, it's le memes and captura/floof posts, very bitching indeed.

Those aren't feedback posts, though. If you're talking specifically about feedback posts, then no, I haven't seen anyone praising the liches wherever you go - not on reddit, on steam, nor on the official forums.

Exactly. Most aren't happy with the kuva lich system. I don't like the multiple layers of RNG, but I'd be fine with it if it was MORE FUN, which it is far from right now.

Shazbot!님이 먼저 게시:

ReddyDisco님이 먼저 게시:

Are people ok with the insanely boring lich murmur grind?

Nope, and DE ignores any sort of feedback except reddit hugbox posts.

This is true but also false. DE is very good at ignoring good constructive criticism if it doesn't follow the path they wanted to take anyways, they do bend to backlash or players pushing back, if enough do so. A great (and equally stupid, but valid) example is the insta-kill system that DE Steve defended at first, then relented and removed it.

Just a shame that DE doesn't use common sense most of the time, and end up not making changes until months later (if at all) we're 4 months after KL was launched and it barely feels like a 1.0, yet they're almost "done" with it, moving onto Railjack etc.

[8faiNt ı♣ı]

^3Tinkles님이 먼저 게시:

8faiNt님이 먼저 게시:

no

This is true.
It's also true that many (including myself) have been up and down reddit/official forums/steam forums saying that the murmur grind isn't fun. Among other things.

I literally complained about the system and how bad it was after my very first lich as I was thinking about the long run. though, everyone was mad that I was complaining about the so called '' glorious '' lich system that they literally didnt even take the complaining serious.
now that I am looking at the situtation, everyone is unsatisfied. funny tbh.

[Encore]

Pakaku님이 먼저 게시:

It is a very flawed system. However, it's the only system we have, and I acknowledge what I'm getting myself into by starting a Lich.

Some of the weapons are worth the monotony, but I won't be putting myself through it just for something like a Kuva Kraken unless there are some serious reworks to the grind

kuva kraken literally best secondary in the game smh, that the weapon i tried to roll for 2 hours

[8faiNt ı♣ı]

Ah yes, enslaved winrate님이 먼저 게시:

Pakaku님이 먼저 게시:

It is a very flawed system. However, it's the only system we have, and I acknowledge what I'm getting myself into by starting a Lich.

Some of the weapons are worth the monotony, but I won't be putting myself through it just for something like a Kuva Kraken unless there are some serious reworks to the grind

kuva kraken literally best secondary in the game smh, that the weapon i tried to roll for 2 hours

K. Kraken = Sicarus Prime

though, using sicarus prime is less of a chore

[Encore]

8faiNt님이 먼저 게시:

Ah yes, enslaved winrate님이 먼저 게시:

kuva kraken literally best secondary in the game smh, that the weapon i tried to roll for 2 hours

K. Kraken = Sicarus Prime

though, using sicarus prime is less of a chore

but with full auto and cheap ass rivens.
So its Sicarus + Pandero (both of which are insanely good secondarys) and K.Kraken have greast status chance that melts armor.

[^3Tinkles]

8faiNt님이 먼저 게시:

^3Tinkles님이 먼저 게시:

This is true.
It's also true that many (including myself) have been up and down reddit/official forums/steam forums saying that the murmur grind isn't fun. Among other things.

I literally complained about the system and how bad it was after my very first lich as I was thinking about the long run. though, everyone was mad that I was complaining about the so called '' glorious '' lich system that they literally didnt even take the complaining serious.
now that I am looking at the situtation, everyone is unsatisfied. funny tbh.

You're going to have whiteknights and those who like it come out and defend it. That's inevitable. However, it doesn't excuse how the layers of RNG and murmur grind are in the lich system. Nor does it answer why it's so unfun and feels like it's going against the type of grind what Warframe is.

[No_Quarter]

Ah yes, enslaved winrate님이 먼저 게시:

Pakaku님이 먼저 게시:

It is a very flawed system. However, it's the only system we have, and I acknowledge what I'm getting myself into by starting a Lich.

Some of the weapons are worth the monotony, but I won't be putting myself through it just for something like a Kuva Kraken unless there are some serious reworks to the grind

kuva kraken literally best secondary in the game smh, that the weapon i tried to roll for 2 hours

It is a good secondary, top tier for sure. But not the best, high impact damage kinda cripples it's main fire mode which is burst - it should be somewhere in between single projectile and shotguns with 20 pellets but seeing them all hit impact it makes you question your life choices.
Also the alt fire is flawed on any distance at which you cannot piss. That is unless you put a recoil mod on exilus at which moment you sacrifice the ammo as probably the most obvious drawback of Kuva Kraken is terrible ammo efficiency.

Still, a very good secondary but I feel Kuva Brakk beats it from Kuva pile of secondaries. And ofc the broken pile of ♥♥♥♥ they named Kuva Nukor, not even gonna compare it to anything, it's in a land of it's own.